This isn't how the democrats reach out. This is an info op.
I think that Eric Mayefsky with the National Democratic Training Committee PAC might actually think he is helping with this campaign. He's was one of those Tech Company CEO wannabes with a PhD in Economics who "made the move from private to political career", but he is really shitting the bed if he thinks things like this will make us want to vote Blue. I wouldn't work with the institution that gave him his degree.
No, I mean I have the Dems in my messages daily at this point. I'm on somebody's list of undecided voters. And this isn't how they do it. This is bait that's been put out to take advantage of the people that are told they're either Biden or Trump supporters on social media. Someone (I wonder who it could possibly be?) wants to entrench the divide between progressives/leftists and liberals. It's a literal information operation, not a genuine voter outreach attempt.
For the last few years, I just reply to everything with some raunchy furry porn, whatever I have on-hand on my phone, followed by 'stop'. Most are just automated, but now and again an actual person will reply, and it brings me joy. You didn't ask for gay furry bondage porn, I didn't ask to be bothered. An eye for an eye and all that...
You didn’t ask for gay furry bondage porn
The manual replier be like
That is fun for the person who just had their phone number spoofed by the people who sent the spam, and now received furry porn from some random idiot.
Enjoy while you can. Places like California are cracking down on unsolicited pics like that. No matter what we feel about unsolicited political texts (I can’t unsubscribe, can you?), we can’t send shit like that back without getting sued.
I’ve changed it up and ask them to bring ductape, hacksaws and some stretch and Flex hefty bags. We’ve got a body to dispose of.
Oh come on you can't say that and not give a sample.
I mean I would but I'd rather not get banned from this community :p
Well that's definitely not some scam. What's the betting that the URL asks you for a load of personal information to confirm your identity.
Me: [receiving an obvious identity theft SMS] is this Blue MAGA?
Nobody should respond to that. It's the senders data set that's being polluted, not the receivers.
explain with some actual technical data to support your assertion?
Whatever party this is by, this might just annoy people so that they won't want into either category, thus becoming a non-voter – which benefits nobody.
This should be illegal, >99% of people hate getting such messages unsolicited (the rest are the ones sending them). However, "rule of law" is a joke in several ways in this two-party system.
This is definitely not a legitimate message. The site doesn't exist and the Democrats don't send messages like that. The closest they get is linking a headline of Trump doing something stupid and saying "donate now to stop Trump."
I meant "party" as in "entity", not neccessarily DEM or GOP. The only thing this text would achieve is to annoy people. If it's not in fact a mass-sent message, it definitely fooled me but it still illustrates my main point as a caricature.
The site doesn't exist
Maybe not now (not clicking that) but for the record, archive.org does have entries for training-dems.us (with no known subpages) and the main page, as of May 15, redirects to traindemocrats.org, possibly without their consent. No idea if either of these is officially affiliated with a US political party, or if they were set up as this screenshot started circulating.
I think sending people phishing links is illegal....
I think they are skirting it. Visiting the site and interacting with it the intended way will DEFINITELY put one's personal information into someone's hands but the question is, are they doing so deceptively as far as US law is concerned? Depends on whether the sender is apparently impersonating an entoty, whether "status as a ... voter" is a reserved government phrase and whether this qualifies as election misinformation. I'd guess probably not for all, so this text may very well be legal. And if the FTC/FTC cared enough, unsolicited political/commercial texts would have all been illegal regardless of any further malicious intent.
Being a non-voter has always benefited Republicans over the last few decades.
This is why campaigns to suppress and reduce the voting population or the ability for people to vote are so effective for republicans. When you reduce the number of voters Republicans win, there is a bias towards Republicans being more willing to go out and vote and Democrats being less willing to.
All unsolicited contacts from these fucks should be illegal. If I want to hear what a candidate thinks about shit I'll look them up myself. I don't need my fucking phone blowing up for 6 months before an election.
which benefits nobody
Only if the effect was party-agnostic. Since the message presents itself as if it comes from Democrat supporters, it may have that effect on Democrat voters - but I fail to see how a Republican voter seeing this will think "These Democrats are so annoying, I'm just going to not vote because they are so annoying".
This is how our 2 party system works.
No one else can get to 270 but Joe.
Everyone needs to understand that if Joe doesn't get to 270 Congress will literally appoint trump as per the constitution and GOP majority in the house.
Wake. The. Fuck. Up.
It's anyone or Trump!
Imagine if those were the polls that show Biden behind.
Text polling, with a simple one-option-or-the-other answer, would actually be a lot more accurate than the way they do the polls in reality, I think.
I'm not saying that the polls are necessarily biased either for or against Biden, just that the methodology is so laughably poor that the polls don't particularly mean anything. I dug into this at some length a few days ago and found that for a handful of recent randomly selected elections, the polls were off by an average of 16 percentage points.
Ehhhhhhh it's pretty much always been the case that a single poll by itself is very sketchy data. You gotta look at multiple independent polls. If you want to actually predict the election they had all better be from the last few days before voting ends, because most voters don't make up their mind until the last second.
Why censor the link? Perhaps I would like to provide feedback. Purely constructive criticism mind you.
Here's the URL. I blurred out an identifier part of the URL.
https://training-dems.us/poll-may-16-2
Edit: tracked the domain, registered to one Eric Mayefsky, bruh who is 'building apps for the left'
I fed it an email address of "[email protected]" to see what the poll questions were... this one is telling:
Anyone catch what's missing?
"The economy"?
"Inflation"?
"Wars in Gaza or Ukraine"?
Whoever put this together has fucked up priorities.
https://train-dems.us resolves to https://traindemocrats.org
“Paid for by the National Democratic Training Committee PAC”
edit: https://pitchbook.com/profiles/person/54951-76P
“Eric has a PhD in Economics from Stanford and worked on Facebook's ad auctions for over 3 years. He's currently working on a behavioral finance startup.”
“behavioral finance” code word for psychological manipulation using money, typical Blue MAGA
edit 2: someone else had claimed to have verified that the whois for both urls matched, but I did not double check. After double-checking, in actuality, they do not match - train-dems goes to the Amazon Registrar wheres traindemocrats goes to the Cloudflare Registrar.
It is not likely that a website operator would utilize two different registrars like that, so this is instead a likely case of outside interference.
Blue MAGA should be ashamed of using the UN UDHR as a checklist for a platform instead of practicing Human Rights and ratifying ICESCR.
And Mr Eric Mayefsky, apologies, and I just hope that you will not be practicing any dark patterns of psychology.
Thank you
brb gonna send them some porn to make sure they don't accidentally "count my vote"
@[email protected] Question for you
What do you mean by "blue MAGA"? I mean I know it's the Democrats, but why that term specifically?
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It’s a derogatory term people like Ozma use to a describe those who try and apply the concept of nuance to the propaganda they’re constantly sharing.
Essentially- it’s the boogeyman they create so they can be victims of something while they antagonize everyone that disagrees with them.
If you don’t believe me, check their comment history. See what they’re about and how they talk to others.
As far as I can tell, Ozma is redefining it here. The other Perfectly Legitimate Leftists aren't trying to make any distinction of a particular segment of the Democrats who are "blue MAGA"; they're just using the term to mean the Democrats are exactly the same as the Trump party and so there's no point voting for either of them.
That is, of course, insane. I think they're hoping it'll produce their desired result on the election through sheer repetition and weight of "emperor definitely has clothes" peer pressure, but who knows. Also, why Ozma is using it in his different way, who knows, although I have a theory.
I've only ever voted for Dems but what can we call people that criticize you for saying the Democratic party is shit and its leadership deserves bedbugs in their homes for eternity?
I've never been able to support anyone other than a democrat, but I can't get myself to even call myself a democrat, I would consider that insulting based on the policy choices democratic leadership supports and fights for - things like spending significant money to assist specific Republicans win their campaigns or changing rules specifically to make it more difficult for Democrats that disagree with DNC leadership to win against the ones they do support.
I want the D party to be something I can wholeheartedly support, but I don't and I never have been able to. The people that do support DNC leadership are not my allies (at least in the primary and all other times, except during a general election).
Blue MAGA is a subculture of the DNC whose purpose is to bully and marginalize anyone who critiques the Dem party leadership.
Blue MAGA is a subculture of the DNC whose purpose is to bully and marginalize anyone who critiques the Dem party leadership.
What is it called when people make up a name for a group of people and assign motivations to them even though the people doing the naming are massively exaggerating, or seeing a few outliers and painting them as the norm for everyone they disagree with they disagree with?
"Critiques"
Interesting
So other than responding disagreeably to a critique, what other features? Or just that?
I ask because this type of Hillary Clinton DNC-consultant crap you're screenshotting in this text message has been following Democrats around for quite a while now, consuming their money and providing only failure in return, but MAGA is kind of an incongruous term to use to describe it. Like when I think of MAGA I don't normally think of things like this; right?
Eric should have stayed in the private sector and gone bankrupt.
lol Blue MAGA that’s a good one, thank you for that
They've been sending me all kinds of scare-tactic spam.
Afaik the "cat h line" of this is true isn't it?
I'm going to guess this is a tactic used to push Democrats away from voting by poisoning the well.
Acting like Democrats reaching out in order to spoil the image and make actual communication less effective.
And based on the comments in this thread it obviously works, folks fall for this hook line and sinker.
This is the DCCC.
Your donation dollars at work.
Just to fact-check that statement, anyone know how to follow the money on “National Democratic Training Committee PAC” (https://traindemocrats.org, which is what train-dems.us resolves to)?
edit: easier than i thought,
Whois search at whois.us shows the registrar for training-dems.us is this guy:
traindemocrats.org shows all redacted for privacy.
The red Maga does the exact same thing and the far left’ers don’t leave their houses come time to do anything that actually creates change…
So…. What’s your point?
