Plan to break up Noaa claims its research is ‘climate alarmism’ and calls for commercializing forecasts, weakening forecasts
Plan to break up Noaa claims its research is ‘climate alarmism’ and calls for commercializing forecasts, weakening forecasts
Climate experts fear Donald Trump will follow a blueprint created by his allies to gut the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa), disbanding its work on climate science and tailoring its operations to business interests.
Joe Biden’s presidency has increasedtheprofile of the science-based federal agency but its future has been put in doubt if Trump wins a second term and at a time when climate impacts continue to worsen.
The document bears the fingerprints of Trump allies, including Johnny McEntee, who was one of Trump’s closest aides and is a senior adviser to Project 2025. “The National Oceanographic [sic] and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa) should be dismantled and many of its functions eliminated, sent to other agencies, privatized, or placed under the control of states and territories,” the proposal says.
That’s a sign that the far right has “no interest in climate truth”, said Chris Gloninger, who last year left his job as a meteorologist in Iowa after receiving death threats over his spotlighting of global warming.
The headline gives far too much attention to Trump and buries the lede. If there is another Republican president, they will be expected to toe the line. This is the initiative of Project 2025. This is the Republican playbook.
This isn't a Putin thing, this is an ideology and corporatism thing. They hate the NOAA because it dares to present the very apparent evidence that climate change is happening without doing much editorializing about it, but they also hate it because the National Weather Service is public and AccuWeather is private. They want AccuWeather to predict our nation's weather. Which is a huge problem.
Trump already had the CEO head the government agency that covers weather. This is 100% about the grift, privatize everything, to hell with the consequences as long as "I get mine."
Please. This isn’t about small gummint, those fucking asshole traitors could fuck off out of our private lives and doctors’ offices. They’re perfectly happy to expand gummint reach when it serves to oppress Americans.
This is a new one on me. Never seen people trying to tie Putin to climate change before. Might as well can him the boogeymonster at this point with the way everything bad is attributed to him online.
Is there any evidence Putin is pro-global climate change or is this one of those "it just makes sense" sort of things?
Are we presuming the heads of Exxon and the other big corporations that have been destroying the planet with actual leaked documents receipts to prove they've been behind the suppression of the science and lobbying the Republicans on this also on Russia's payroll?
Russia's main exports are oil and natural gas. If the world reduces its reliance on fossil fuels, and demand appreciably shrinks, Russia loses economic power.
So it's not so much that Putin is against climate change, as it is that Russia benefits directly if the effects of climate change is de-emphasized, and the world continues to burn fossil fuels.
Exactly. He's that fucking petty that no other motivation is needed to explain this. There isn't any long term scheme here. It's simply that he got embarrassed and has to get revenge.
Dismantling NOAA is surrendering our military capability. We’re the world’s premiere air and sea power. That’s why we have an entire longstanding government agency for monitoring the ocean and atmosphere. It helps with farming and policy and emergency response sure, but don’t kid yourself, NOAA exists to ensure we never lose a major military asset to weather without taking a calculated risk.
After thinking about it, I've come to the conclusion that climate change is actually completely in the far right's advantage:
-It'll make the poor poorer and the rich richer
-It can be used as a "demon" to scare people into submission, or the other way around, by denying it
-It can be used to divide the populace further along the lines of race, age, education.... (and not along class lines, as it should be)
-It will exacerbate current issues and divides between well-off nations and poor ones
It's win/win for them. The other political side actually has to be able to prove things somewhat in order to use climate change as something to garner votes. For the far right, it suffices to either pretend it doesn't exist or to laugh at it.
This polarizing aspect of the whole thing has really confused me for this very reason as well as a few others. I think about it a lot like flat earth. In both cases the opponents or "deniers" for lack of a better term point largely to this like conglomerate corpo science-y entity that has a rooted financial interest in spreading these lies all for monetary gain. This idea that "big science" genuinely wants people to believe in a fake scenario of the earth's clomate getting fucked by humans is so strange. And this works politically too.
Like I don't have any research to back this up but I'd bet my left ass cheek that the large majority of climate scientists AS WELL as climate progressive politicians would absolutely love there to be completely no issue with climate change. Given the choice, not having to worry at all about that for the present and future would just be a big load off every one's plate. Now I'm sure there are some people that have a lot of their eggs in the renewable, green energy basket and could stand to gain prosperity from society moving in a green energy direction. There's no doubt. But something tells me that they are more or less cancelled out by the amount of people who are already profiting or stand to profit more from petroleum based energy means.
I just don't get the whole realistic motive behind scientists and politicians pushing an agenda that they know to be false. Do people really think scientists don't have anything better to do than just make stuff up? Genuinely? And it's not like just a few of them. We're talking well over 90% are pushing this fake agenda. That is complete and utter market saturation lol. I just can't fathom how that would work. Just like the flat earth thing, what is there to gain from this for the large majority of these people? Like why?
As usual, the hyperpartisan bullshit (climate change denial) is the cover, while corporate handouts/regulatory capture (in this case, to Accuweather) is the grift behind the grift.
dismantling NOAA would likely kill a lot of people as they provide tools to predict flooding etc. It would probably be as disasterous as dismantling USGS
The GOP today has no interest in climate truth, honesty, integrity, compassion or intelligence, only self-serving greed and power. Of course the "poorly educated" and Russian propagandized class go right along with it.
Actually, dismantling the agency that tells people when there's a hurricane coming without a profit motive that might affect forecasts IS pretty damn bad in and of itself!
Team Red has it in their heads that all the temperature and climate measuring tools are all bunk data because they were installed in areas that have since urbanised, causing an artificial shift in temperatures.
So they haven't countered yet when I mention that satellite rangefinding equipment can accurately measure the average sea level and its rise... and that an erroneous reading due to something like periodic heat from a barbecue or whatever doesn't affect the average in any significant way.
Team Red doesn't actually have anything of the sort in their heads. They already decided on the conclusion, which is that climate change is fake, and then they grasp on whatever the flavor du jour is for the rationalization on why it's true. That might happen to be this thing you're saying about measuring tools in urbanized areas, but if you cut that down they'll just switch to some other rationalization.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't arrive at with reason in the first place.
The fuck? The science established for weather tracking has gotten so good so fast, trusting the weatherman went from being a meme to being prophetic almost overnight. I get notifications about weather phenomena akin to the future segment in back to the future 2.
The entire capitalistic maritime operation in this country is beholden to data provided by NOAA. It would be chaos if they were no longer around to provide data free of charge.
In his first Audible Original feature, New York Times best-selling author and journalist Michael Lewis delivers hard-hitting research on not-so-random weather data — and how Washington plans to release it. He also digs deep into the lives of two scientists who revolutionized climate predictions, bringing warning systems to previously unimaginable levels of accuracy. One is Kathy Sullivan, a gifted scientist among the first women in space; the other, D.J. Patil, is a trickster-turned-mathematician and a political adviser.
Most urgently, Lewis's narrative reveals the potential cost of putting a price tag on information with the potential to save lives, raising questions about balancing public service with profits in an ethically-ambiguous atmosphere.
I'm coming back way late to this party but... I got this from the EPA's website: https://www.epa.gov/planandbudget/budget -- the EPA actually has had it's budget decreased from the previous year several times since the year 2000. Although it hasn't been cut since 2018. TIL.