I use Linux because I like to know that if my computer doesn't do what I want, it's my own damn fault (and not some corporation trying to screw me over).
I use Linux because when I encounter an issue there are numerous helpful forum posts and KB articles that cover it, even for really uncommon glitches. Whereas on Windows for even slightly obtuse errors, you just get the same base-level troubleshooting suggestions and AI listicles. Windows obscures actual useful information from end users which makes troubleshooting issues harder.
cough Canonical cough
I guess it is still "your own damn fault" if you use canonical 'products'
Exactly. There’s something reassuring about it always being a skill issue. Am I going to develop those skills? Probably not. But I could.
I actually helped drive someone at my bike co-op to linux by comparing it to why I fix my bike. My bike is janky, but I’m the one who fucked it up. And no irritation is “get over it” it’s “here’s what it would take to fix it, decide if it’s worth it”
Man I really wonder what the venn diagram of Linux users/furries are. But I'm thinking it might be a circle within a circle kinda thing.
It's just the same classic bleed over of socially awkward nerds being into multiple things, like Star Trek, Star Wars, tech, programming, RPG gaming, anime, comic books, and of course, the furry fandom.
You'll find lots of Linux users among those subgroups too.
I have a furry for a friend who's a die-hard windows and Microsoft guy
So it's more IT, less Linux
The evil tech savvy people
It starts with fuzzy socks
So much does.
It is not two concentric circles, but the overlap is gigantic.
Both circles are entirely contained within a larger circle that says "neurodiverse people", though.
At least I get to find out why the spyware doesn't work... and fix it 💪.
On the other hand, I have a hard time explaining to my family why shit in my computer constantly doesn't work... or I'm in the process of fixing it 😂.
If there are any car guys in the family, simply tell them it's sorta like that. Tinkering is a totally valid hobby, but older people have an easier time understanding it with cars (because cars have been around longer, mostly :P)
Oh, they've kinda gotten used to it by now 😂. At least that's what I think... they do avoid my computer though, so that's a plus, I guess 😂.
I have no idea what I'm doing at any point in the process, and that's why its fun.
Or you start fixing something, and you find 3 other problems, not related to the one you started fixing 😂. You just didn't know about them cuz you usually don't use libfoo for the thing you currently need 😂.
It's like going to the doctor for a checkup and finding out you have diabetes 😂... I mean... it's not good, but better now than later, right 🤷 😂.
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That's so stupid, why am I laughing
yea but from that frustration eventually comes the knowledge we want.
that was me when i switched and now i know what its doing on my most common workloads.
Shouldn't be so frustrating in the first place.
There are disstros for that. And no just no. it is wrong to want to be spoonfed your computing needs, that's what apple and microsofts wants: to turn your computer into a opaque magic box that does fuck all for you but also does loads of shit for their own interests on linux you are your own apple/microsoft you own your computer and it is an openbook that you can read and edit whererver you want in it and if it breaks and you fix it you only comeout more experienced from the experience
Linux might not do everything you want it to, at least not easily, but it usually doesn't do things you didn't ask for, unlike all proprietary OSs these days.
I'll remember that the next time someone makes a post like "why did apt upgrade install the snap version of Firefox".
Usually. You already know the answer to that...
Canonical is like the Microsoft of the Linux world
I'm in no way a Windows fan. Use manjaro for desktop, and ubuntu for servers as of now but keep trying new distros and love changing all the time, unfortunately. However, I dread to think if I was stuck on another planet with a linux distro without internet access to troubleshoot or find out how to do random things...
And what would you do on that other planet without Internet and stuck with Microsoft Windows and no way to activate your OEM license ? At least Linux has nice manual pages to read in the main time off-line 😄
I believe you can simply leave it unregistered and it'll still work indefinitely. Plus you aren't getting updates forced down your throat, since you're not connected to the internet.
I know right? You might have to use the man pages.
I love it how you just want to do something simple and very, very common and normal with a command but you don't know the magic flags to get it to do it and they're not just a logical one (like, say "-a" for all) so you do a man for it and it has something like 50 flags listed in alphabethical rather than functional order, some of which only make sense in specific combinations (which are never show together and have to be found by reading the entries for all 50 flags) and there are no examples anywhere to be found of normal usage scenarios for that command.
So that's when you use some internet search engine and it turns out the most common simplest use of it is something like "doshit --lol --nokidding --verbose=3".
Drop manjaro l, start using endeavor, thank me later when your system doesnt randomly break on an update
honestly, as a long time arch user on my desktop, who has used both manjaro and endeavour, i don't like either. Manjaro dev team isn't great, but the biggest problem is holding back packages for 2 weeks or however long it is. The biggest problem i had with endeavour was that they keyring broke (not the archlinux one) and the only way to fix it was by installing an untrusted keyring forcibly... To be fair, it was a very old distro, but these are pretty funny issues to be having considering the arch keyring updated just fine.
Long-term Manjaro user, no issues.
Just don't mess with AUR unless you have to; it's a good practice to make snapshots as well.
Endeavor is no more stable, it's very much unfiltered Arch with all its issues of "oh, you didn't read an update note? Your bad". Arch had literally broken GRUB on updates in the past.
Lol, I relate with this a lot.
I always figure it out, but Linux is not user friendly. The last issue I had was trying to get my vpn to work. It took me a few minutes to realize my vpn provider doesn't support a gui on there.
This is the issue with Linux. It needs better support and adaptation. If it got that focus from third parties, I'd gladly make it my daily driver.
Here's to hoping the attempts from companies like steam are only the beginning of a new thriving trend!
On my end, like --
I have about as many tech issues with Windows as with Linux -- It comes with me enjoying tinkering as a hobby I think?
BUT, and this is important, when shit breaks on Linux, there is always output on the terminal, or a log file, or something else you can check, and even when I don't know what to do about it, a simple copypaste of the error on internet search usually gets me some answers.
When shit breaks on Windows? HOLY FUCKING SHIT. It just sorta dies and leaves you in the dark with nothing to go on for troubleshooting. Windows wants to make computers into magic boxes that "just werk", but it never really gets there, and instead what you get is something that breaks just as often, but is a lot more opaque.
That BSOD with an emoticon lives rent-free in my head. Like who the fuck thought it was a good idea?
Also, even when you actually get an error message (which you probably had to dig through the awful mess that is the event viewer... Seriously, the only update they've made to it in the last twenty years was to split a bunch of things into a ton of individual logs that are more than painful to dig through), it's cryptic (if it tells you anything at all) and pasting it into search gives you nothing relevant, and quoting it gives you nothing at all (even the part that's obviously the generic part of the error), or if it does, it's a couple hits with people asking for help and either getting no replies, unhelpful replies that misunderstand the issue, or tells them they're asking in the wrong Microsoft support forum
Like... Come on, Microsoft. You clearly coded this error in the operating system. Put at least one page in documents online with at least something useful about it...
This is the issue with Linux. It needs better support and adaptation.
I point you towards Fedora. Its indirectly backed by IBM.
From the article...
Although Fedora isn't the most popular Linux OS, it's certainly one of the most well supported
The terminal is not an accessory like on Windows, it's apart of the daily Linux experience
It shouldn't be though. A command line interface is not user friendly for entry-level users, and until Linux UX designers realise this, Linux will never gain a greater market share. And we have seen this with Ubuntu, Mint, and other "user friendly" distros gaining popularity. I'm not saying that we should necessarily aim for broad-scale adoption of Linux as an end in itself, but more users means more support for Linux which means a better experience for all.
If Linux wants to ever have adoption outside tech people then it can't be. If a normide has to open up a terminal then that's already one less Linux user.
I have used Linux for my main PC for a very long time but I have also worked in tech support and your average user will never ever use an OS where using the terminal is mandatory.
I my opinion there should be some hobbyist distros where the terminal is your daily experience like Arch or Gentoo but the main focus should be accessibility for the average user if adoptability is a goal.
If more casual PC users got on to it, i wouldn't call it a daily experience. Yeah you need to use it some times but once everyone is set, you dont really need to mess with it
I switched to Mint a few months ago and to be fair I have only messed with it a couple of times mainly just after the initial installation
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UNBUTT ON
Me this past weekend trying to setup GPU passthrough to a VM. Bought an AMD card just to passthrough my existing Nvidia one and have had nothing but issues with multiple distros 😔
oh yeah gpu passthrough is very shitty with nvidia cards (typical), try passing your amd card through instead
That might be a questionable choice given that this would leave the nvidia driver running on host machine and it's usually the most fucky part of this whole operation.
Any specific issues? Pretty sure there's lots of people in this sub who could help you out with that, myself included.
Passthrough not actually working, VM not detecting the GPU or not loading qemu properly even with everything loaded properly. Tried on 3 different distros (Ubuntu and arch based) and none worked. Might try the other suggestion to swap the cards. Just means I'll have to redo my water loop for the 2nd time this week 🙃
Good to know, I was just thinking of doing this exact thing. I haven't pulled the trigger on the AMD card though. I wanted it for wayland, but I still want to do CUDA things with my Nvidia card.
Dual GPU build?
I like Linux because it let's me do whatever I want on it. Windows is so controlling. For example in Windows, there are lots of occasions where a window will pop up asking you do make a decision, and while that window is up, you cannot click on any of the other windows. Say I want to save a file, but I want to look at the document. If the save window is up, I can't review the document because it wont let me. That's so freaking annoying.
Aside from all sorts of little annoyances like that, Linux is sooooo customizable. Using KDE PLasma, I could just add widgets on my desktop that show me the status orf my computer or even let me write notes right on the desktop. To do that on Windows, I have to mess with Rainmeter for days trying to figure out the proper settings using a text protocol I am not familiar with. While Linux does run into some difficulties, they tend to be easily solvable by just running an Internet search or posting on a forum relevant to your distro/DE.
Lastly, there are lots of things that just work on Linux that don't on Windows. For instance, my network printer just works. I didn't even have to install a driver. I just added the printer and it did everything else for me. Or, I could use KDE Connect and easily transfer files from my phone to my desktop and vice verse, get phone notifications on my desktop, and even text from it without any tinkering. It just works.
The only reason I could see people using Windows aside from subjective preferences is when they're forced to because of work or they realllly want to play a one fo the few games that doesn't work on Linux. Otherwise, Linux is just objectively better as a whole.
I like Linux because it let’s me do whatever I want on it. Windows is so controlling. For example in Windows, there are lots of occasions where a window will pop up asking you do make a decision, and while that window is up, you cannot click on any of the other windows. Say I want to save a file, but I want to look at the document. If the save window is up, I can’t review the document because it wont let me. That’s so freaking annoying.
I hear you. Another thing I like about Linux is the virtual consoles. When the GUI would show the same thing you just described, and imagine you'd have some 50 program windows open, you can just switch with control alt F1 to a virtual console, log in and shut down a certain program or do some manual page reading. And after that simply switch back to the GUI.
It's generally a lot more control-able with a terminal. I can remote into any of my machines, including IOT stuff, and have full control over any of their settings, like, say, volume or display brightness or whatever. With GUI it's like what, RDP/VNC/Teamviewer in? Gonna be painful over mobile connection.... Apps? The developer just went bankrupt and now it's dead because the cloud server is down. And I haven't even started on automation...
Also, changing multiple behaviours in one place is also nice. Say, I want to remove the volume osd and control how I want to manipulate windows. It's either an array of small disconnected utilities(in this case, HideVolumeOSD + AltDrag), or huge RAM hogger utilities like DesktopFusion, or, I can just edit it in my WM config with just a couple of lines. Things like adjusting volume based on window position (to have a background and foreground media displays) is completely out of the picture on Windows and are a breeze on Linux.
In short, lots of benefits. The downside, I guess, is a complete disarray of components. Like in case of volume again, I have pipewire daemon pretending to be pulseaudio which is middleware for alsa... and all of their corresponding utilities work but control the same thing, so it's incredibly confusing which ones to use. Also webapps for some reason can control their own volume in the system mixer(?) So there's at least 4 ways to adjust just one slider. And it can create confusion when multiple things interact with different interfaces - I'm still to figure out which fucking thing keeps setting the
grp:alt_shift_toggleoption in my keyboard layout.
The problem with that meme comic is that it doesn't state which distro the fox was using, as far as the level of supported it requires.
Everyone who uses Linux knows that there are some distros that require more 'tender loving care' by their users than others.
"unbutt" and something below it, with the circle logo, it's unbuntu.
It's probably a broken snap package or something.
“unbutt” and something below it, with the circle logo, it’s unbuntu.
Fair enough, but I was speaking more to the meta of the subject (not all distros are created equally), but still, you're right.
but at the end it is possible to solve any and all problems linux, and troubleshooting difficult cryptic errors successfully makes you feel like a very smart god
Until you forget what you've done and face the same issue again.
Eh, not a god. But the solution is somewhere there...
Omnipotent, just not omniscient.
yea lol
Sometimes it takes way too long though. I had a display issue that made many of my tiny Linux boxes stop working and it took me almost a month to figure out the issue. I had to revert to an older kernal to fix them all. They just randomly stopped working one day lol. Makes me not want to accept updates so that's not great
always take a backup with timeahift before updating
For a given definition of 'any'. For a while, the solution to my problem would have been to contribute code to PulseAudio and/or ALSA, which was (and still is) beyond what I could reasonably do.
fair
I'm no artist, but couldn't Xenia have a white outline around her black arms/hands so they can be seen better against dark backgrounds?
As an Amateur Artist (my pfp was drawn by me) -- You are correct. Though in this particular picture I have no trouble telling her shape from the background objects.
Addendum: In cartoon art, generally, black fills are avoided. Instead you use very dark grey for black things, so as to keep the (black) outline distinct. Other artstyles have other ways of doing stuff.
Me after I spent a whole evening being unable to boot into grub after trying to get Wayland to work. Wayland will have to wait for a bit longer...
NVidia?
Yuppers. I need CUDA for my machine learning projects, both for hobby and professionally. I considered AMD and their alternative at the time, but it wasn't supported on their consumer cards back then, and I also didn't fully trust their commitment. It's getting better though, so hopefully AMD can convince me for my next GPU in a few years.
Secureboot?
Could not be me. Not about the 🦊 part, but the failing to work part. The software fears me. The software knows it's a cog in a machine, one that's easily replacable. And I'm not one to get sentimental.
Me last night after extolling the virtues of the OS to my wife, trying to figure out why upping my refresh rate results in completely fucked text in Linux Mint
So far I've gathered that it's probably a similar issue to what half-rate shading does on the Steam Deck, but the fix or why it's even doing it in the first place currently eludes me
E: if anyone else has a similar issue and is on an nVidia card: try the most recent driver, not the recommended one. If that doesn't work, maybe the older one then? If still not god help you cuz the first idea worked for me
When I see these kind of posts I can't help but think that maybe they're being made by people who could be astroturfing for another company and it’s OS, in a negative way, to redirect the narrative.
Because Microsoft cares so much about an 18.6K-member community called “linuxmemes” on a small federated Reddit alternative known for being filled with die-hard Linux fans and furries?
Because Microsoft cares so much about an 18.6K-member community called “linuxmemes” on a small federated Reddit alternative known for being filled with die-hard Linux fans and furries?
The company a corporation would hire to do that sort of thing would use a shotgun approach to the redirection postings. With bots it would be easy for them to do.
There's
verminfurries here?
i think it's a sort of meta ironic joke. The joke here is that it's not working, and they're trying to figure out why it's not working, because linux actually lets you do this to some significant capacity.
i think it’s a sort of meta ironic joke. The joke here is that it’s not working, and they’re trying to figure out why it’s not working, because linux actually lets you do this to some significant capacity.
Yeah, no, not sure if I can agree with that interpretation. To me it seemed more like it was showing the frustration of the user trying to use Linux that doesn't work, and having to debug the problem, adding to the frustration.
If it was expressing what you're saying it was, then there would be one more final frame to the comic showing some kind of Linux 'hero' plot device solving the problem, or pointing out there really isn't a problem.
That's what we call a conspiracy theory
That’s what we call a conspiracy theory
Why? You honestly don't believe that corporations never try to manipulate the narrative/message for their benefit/profit?
Early Microsoft was well known for wielding the FUD factor.
Hey, this Linux meme fun thread ended up in a Linux support help-desk questions thread. How untypical :-)
Cute
Stop with the fury stuff
Uh oh you've made people furious.
Y'know what? I'm gonna be even more of a furry now, just to spite you.
hahahahahaha
What exactly is fury? Bing says it's "wild or violent anger"
