'I Think We Should Kill 'Em All,' GOP Rep. Andy Ogles Says of Palestinians in Gaza

Commonly genocide is associated with race in media, but the legal definition is broader in the UN Genocide Convention: "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". The wealthy can be easily associated with specific national groups. Check the case of Pol-Pot en Cambodia for a rather extreme example.

Let me guess, 30,000 dead Palestinian civilians at the hands of the armed wing of one of the most advanced intelligence machines in the Eastern hemisphere is just "defending their right to exist".

But instead they said shONEt

Yes

If both parties are going to genocide Arabs while they're in charge, the blood is on their hands and no one else's. Only assholes and morons will blame Arabs in the US for the massacre of Palestinians.

Freedom of speech in America means the freedom to call for, advocate for, and organize violence against anyone you like so long as they aren't white and/or Christian.

If you say violence is bad, or call for violence against those Advocating for and organizing violence though - THEN it's hate speech.

speech should not be illegal, everyone should be free to say what they want. If you don't like what someone is saying don't fucking vote for them. Protest against israel are already illegal in many countries, that's what not having free speech brings you.

No, they are not all being killed. There are about 2 million innocent people in the entire Strip. Death figures according to the Gazan Health Ministry are around 30,000 currently.

It's not impossible though, it's been attempted before in history, by ethno-nationalist asshats just like Netanyahu's supporters.

This can get much worse. Many zealots want it worse.

exactly what i was thinking.

if this is the lesser of two evils, you probably have reached evil long ago.

Wahhhhhhh the US should support the people I like!!!

The entire point of Israel’s genocide in the end is to perpetuate war and conflict so rightwing nutjobs like Netanyahu can retain power by killing people and claiming they are keeping people safe instead of doing actual leadership work and passing effective policy to save people.

In that sense Israel’s genocide makes the entire world less safe by empowering strongman leaders like this.

You're thinking of ruzzia lmao.

It's almost as though some people are incapable of holding two thought in their head at the same time: the RNC is absolutely fascist and pro-genocide, and Biden is doing the wrong thing in this specific situation and should be criticized for it. If all criticism of a president must stop, you live in a dictatorship. This one just happens to be a two party dictatorship where one awful party is kept from criticism by the threat of the other being even worse.

Literally everything every politician does is towards their next re-election. Literally everything. It's ignorant to think otherwise.

Part of representing their constituents is to satisfy the most voters to vote for them in the future. It's not a hard concept.

I immediately stop listening to anyone that is calling the current situation genocide. No better way to tell me that your opinion is worthless than to use words incorrectly.

No, worst case scenario involves nukes.

The US does not negotiate with terrorists. The US is not going to abandon it's interests just because some anti-semitic people don't like the US supporting Israel. It is directly contrary to the US foreign policy interests because it signals that the US is willing to abandon allies in the face of attack. Imagine if the US had withdrawn support from Israel after 9/11, an attack which was specifically in retaliation for US support of Israel.

You need to stop having those conversations and focus on what's important. Right now, if the election were to be held, Trump wins in a landslide according to the polls (assuming EC more or less follows the popular trend).

What do you need to do before November to ensure that your queer daughter is protected in the extremely likely case of a 2nd Trump administration?

One of my closest friends moved to Tennessee right before his adolescent daughter came out as queer a few years back. I feel so bad for that kid. Her family is supportive of her, at least, but what a nightmare place to have to live as a gay kid.

I'm not making excuses for anyone here --

I expect it is extremely confusing for many people when "Jewish" is a religion, an ethnicity, a nationality, a nation, and a political football. This leads to anything the Israeli government opposes to be construed in the same light, which is how we get people equating "Palestinians living in severe apartheid conditions inside the borders of the nation of Israel" with "Hamas." And, of course, anyone who opposes the actions of the Israeli government is likely to get branded "antisemitic," because if you oppose the Jewish nation you must also oppose the Jewish religion, ethnicity, and nationality, right? (Narrator: Wrong.)

Because of this conflation of so many different things being called the same thing, I try to make absolutely clear what I'm talking about (when I dare dip my toe into those shark-infested waters). Hamas fucking sucks. The Israeli government fucking sucks. What both of those entities do - and have done for a very long time - demonstrate that they are both genocidal shitbags. Supporters of either, be they Israeli citizens, Palestinians, or third parties, fucking suck right alongside them.

Genocide is a hell of a fucking wedge issue.

It becomes a lot easier to get someone to trade up active current genocide for non-active future genocide. That anything works both ways and the GOP knows.

Last election I got to vote for "grab 'em by the pussy" or "black kids are just as good as rich kids" (or something similar. I can't remember the quote exactly and I don't have time to look it up).

This election I get to vote for genocide or genocide. I can't wait.

Edit: I'll take Biden over Trump any day. Trump terrifies me. I'm terrified of how many Americans are going to die if he wins. But I hate that these are our options.

I think these people are more typically from troll farms than genuinely pro-Palestine, but some of theme probably are that stupid as well. I guess it's a mixed bag.

I’ve even been told I should care more about people on the other side of the world than my own daughter’s life.

Most likely they don't have children of their own. Easier to say dumb shit like this.

Sarcasm.

Well, guess what's gonna happen then. If you are in danger of starving, do you refuse a bruised apple or wait for pizza?

The Trump Supreme court has intervened to shut down any meaningful progressive initiatives (see student loan forgiveness, for example).

I don't think anyone was arguing you can push Biden to the left. I guess you had that Bernie commission but nothing was promised beyond that. What happened is more people voted for Biden so he won. That's democracy.

I'm not saying you have to vote for Biden, you're allowed to do whatever, but it's not some fairy tale that by not voting for Biden you're helping Trump. You are, you just don't care. You would rather Trump be president for the next 4 years because you think Moderate Democrats will learn some lesson that they didn't the last time the exact same thing happened in 2016.

What will really happen is moderates will claim the candidate catered to the left so much that it turned off moderates (or pick a group, didnt cater enough to suburban Hispanics or whatever), and the Left will say the candidate didn't cater to the left enough, and in 2028 that won't be resolved and the person who wins the most votes will win again entirely unrelated to the question. So you're not sending the message you think you're sending, you're just hurting the candidate whose interests are the closest to yours. Allowed, but not what I'd recommend as a political strategy.

There's a third alternative for those who won't vote for Biden, but don't support Republicans. Primary. Essentially, picking democratic candidates that aren't endorsed by AIPAC on the downballot. We do have people like AOC, and Sanders whom that are against Israel, and Hamas.

That's more reasonable than voting against Democrats.

As far as consequences goes, Israel has been facing the prospect of decreased international support, but that will take a decade at best for it to be significant. Gen Z and Millennials don't really have good feelings toward Israel after their actions within war, and Israelis know it. It's on Israel to change policy along with a trial toward settlers and people that supports Netanyahu, and if they want them back, that's the only way to do it, otherwise, I don't see Israel having the longevity to avoid that.

You don't think that the alternative is worse? You don't think that Republicans will supply double the aid to Israel and half the aid to Ukraine?

It's a privileged position to be able to say "I want to wash my hands of the whole thing." People executing that privilege in 2016 got us to where we are today. People executing that privilege in 2004 got us to where we are today. People executing that privilege in 2000 got us to where we are today. How well do you think it's going to work out for you this year?

I rest my case.

"I've seen the footage of shredded children's bodies," the activist told Ogles. "That's my taxpayer dollars that are going to bomb those kids."

"You know what? So, I think we should kill 'em all, if that makes you feel better," Ogles responded. "Hamas and the Palestinians have been attacking Israel for 20 years. It's time to pay the piper."

i only highlighted a fact, and you are alredy calling me names, i am very far of entering a debate in this conditions