Biden Threatens to Veto Bill That Would Help Israel but Not Ukraine
Biden Threatens to Veto Bill That Would Help Israel but Not Ukraine
President Biden accused Republicans in the House of a “cynical political maneuver” intended to kill broader legislation that would also provide money for the southern border.
President Biden vowed on Monday to veto a House Republican bill that would provide $17.6 billion in aid to Israel, calling it a “cynical political maneuver” intended to hurt the chances of passage for broader legislation that would provide money for Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan and the U.S. border.
House Republicans fiercely oppose the larger bill, which was unveiled by a small, bipartisan group of senators over the weekend. It calls for $118.3 billion in spending and would overhaul some of the nation’s immigration laws to deal with recent surges of migrants at the southern border.
The president hears the people no longer agree with our stance on Israel
The president changes his policies to reflect the will of the people
This is how it's supposed to work!
It's unfortunate that I have run into people that don't believe that. I once got called a flipflopper because I commented one stance based on inaccurate information I had, and was given new accurate information which changed my mind.
People be treating reality like a high school debate club and just sticking with a position because that's what they choose at the beginning. You can change your mind. Especially if it's based on new information you didn't have before.
Right? I knew that Gaza was bad before this conflict but I didn't have any real information. I then went and educated myself and I have a pretty firm opinion on the subject now which is different than it used to be.
Highschool debate club has failed if that's what people compare actual debate to. It's necessary to take a firm stand in a discussion, even being devil's advocate is fine, as long as it happens objectively.
But I guess HS debates just end after three rounds and then no retrospective happens about what stance (not WHO) was right and why.
TL;DR HS debates were supposed to be better than this.
Thats not what is happening though is it?
The republicans want to kill funding for Ukraine, humantiarian aid and better protection of jewish and muslim places of worship against US domestic terrorism.
So they propose a "fund Israel only" bill, that Biden has to veto on and they can cry out against. He still wants the IDF to receive that money though, so they can continue destroying what is left of Gaza and kill and drive out even more people.
What are you quoting from?
Nothing, it's an alternate usage like greentext from 4chan to show a summarized sequence of events that I'm responding to.
This is so stupid. NYTimes putting the phrase "to deal with recent surges of migrants at the southern border"...there IS no surge of migrants. They're pushing bullshit in a passive way to make it sound legitimate.
Yeah, migrants just love to surge come election time.
What a bullshit.
They are probably still mad Trump cut aid to the three Mexican countries...
All lies. I don't believe US government numbers any more than I did during COVID. /S
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
Let's see what the source says:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
There were 50k more border encounters (illegal apprehensions) in December than the year before. In fact, encounters have been significantly higher than recent years since August (no data for January).
You can agree or disagree with the response to the influx of people at the border. But there is no denying there has been a considerable increase in traffic.
This is like the worst version of the trolley problem being worked out in real time.
Republicans be like:
Superficially this sounded plausible, but then when I thought about it I couldn't make any sense of it. Do you mind explaining?
I hate that the two are becoming more and more conflated. Ukraine is fighting off a invasion; Israel is invading and has driven the people of palestine into radical organization and direct action. These funds should go to aid and peace efforts instead.
Also Gaza is NOT a war while Ukraine is, Gaza is a genocide.
In Ukraine organized military forces clash over territory with both sides fielding artillery, tanks, aircraft and other sophisticated military systems. Russia is seeking to control Ukraine and annex most of it, but it literally has to roll tanks all the way through contested territory to do this.
Israel already controls and surrounds all of Gaza, it controls all administrative and infrastructural aspects of Gaza so much so that Israel was able to build a wall straight through the heart of Gaza just to fuck with Palestinians. There is no ground war in Gaza with infantry divisions fighting over territory, there is just Israel repeatedly dropping an absolutely absurd amount of bombs (dropping in several weeks on the tiny footprint of Gaza what the bomb happy US only managed to drop in a year in the Iraq War) on a civilian population that has no means to leave even if they wanted to.
You don’t need to fight a war when you can just shut the water, lights and internet off to an entire city, you can shutter the hospitals with a lift of a finger. If there was a war, it was over long ago and what people call a “war” now is mere symbolic violent resistance meant to attract the attention of someone powerful enough to help (or stop). The thing that should make every one of us want to scream is the only problems the Israeli government sees with cut off water and let ‘em starve solution is that 1. it doesn’t kill Palestinians fast enough to sweep under the rug out of international scrutiny and 2. it doesn’t magically bulldoze the houses of the Palestinians killed and erased like a bomb does all in one go.
Hamas is not a terrorist organization because it chose to be one instead of a traditional army, it is a terrorist organization because a war with large armies is simply impossible for Hamas to even begin to fight against the combined military industrial complex of the U.S. and Israel. I say “begin” specifically because in order to fight a war with a military you have to first bring together all your soldiers and the minute Hamas did that Israel would carpet bomb the map square of that gathering place out of existence. War over before it even started.
I am not defending Hamas (I am so tired of saying this, of course they are awful) but simply pointing out Israel’s main justification for their genocide is that Hamas chooses to be a terrorist organization because they are evil and not because it is an organization of people who feel armed resistance is necessary (a sentiment Israeli’s should understand) and terrorism is literally the only armed resistance option on the table. It’s not like Hamas makes tunnels because they love digging and just don’t feel like fielding columns upon columns of 120mm main battle tanks they have in storage…
What is happening in Gaza is collective punishment for the actions of a few, it is genocide, it is horrific slaughter and land theft, it is a disgusting rightwing fantasy of violence but It is NOT a war that makes the IDF look way too honorable here. Gaza is what happens after a war ends and one side has complete power over the other. It is closer to soldiers raping and pillaging a civilian population en masse in the wake of an invasion than a war.
Well said.
Also Gaza is the size of basically just one neighborhood inside of Kiev alone. The scale of two the conflicts are so massively different. Many Americans I’ve discussed this with have no idea how much bigger Ukraine is.
Yeah that's definately another great point. Ukraine and Palestine are both threatened by colonialist erasure, that's the parallel I'd like to see drawn- they absolutely have that in common. Would love to see Israel and it's nationalist government compared to Russia more often- there's so much misinformation and misdirection in the news nowadays.
Invasion? That some racist talk right there. Give them a notice to appear in court in the next five years and leave them alone.
Ah, so he wants to make sure that everyone gets funding, not just Israel.
How about NO MONEY TO THE MOTHER FUCKING GENOCIDE?
He is not a dictator, you know? The other side argues for only genocide.
Yes, the lack of civic knowledge is sometimes frightening. I’m not one to say “both sides!”, but in this case, I see it on both the left and right: people who don’t seem to understand that most major bills in the US pass through compromise. This is true even when one party has a majority, because the US has some of the weakest party discipline of any system (eg people can vote against their party).
Yeah, what we need is the opposite bill: the one that helps Ukraine but not Israel.
Outrage should be reserved until it’s known what’s on the bill. It was drawn up by conservatives- I’d wager its purpose is to disenfranchise far left voters.
Anything drawn up by conservatives will be worthy of outrage. They're not going to magically stop being monsters.
Isn't Israel the 'bigger fish' in their conflict? I don't question that our status is "allies", but it's so strange thinking they need "help"?
It's even more gross if you read the article. Mike Johnson is saying Israel is "fighting for its very existence." Fucking lying conservative trash.
Israel would have no chance of continueing its escalation with all the neighbouring countries if it wasnt for US military aid. They dont have the capacities to produce that many bombs, missiles, tank and artillery shells.
The US needs Israel to be at perpetual escalation and war to destabilize the Midlle East and prevent the emergence of an unified arab bloc that would be the size of the EU, but control many of the cheap oil ressources and vital trade routes.
Too bad the US power structure is tied to oil, it prevents our economy from shifting away from oil and freeing ourselves from the ME bullshit.
Israel would have no chance of continueing its escalation with all the neighbouring countries if it wasnt for US military aid. They dont have the capacities to produce that many bombs, missiles, tank and artillery shells.
That is simply false. Israel's defense industry is one the world's biggest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_industry_of_Israel
Israel doesn't need U.S. aid. They just know they can get U.S. aid because they have the U.S. wrapped around their little finger.
It's a great con. Get weapons for free from the U.S. while selling your own.
Veto it.
Sounds like a win all around if he does. Israel does not need the help.
Wish there was a rule barring packaging unrelated legislation
I don't. We got the biggest and most important climate bill ever, likely in the entire world, by getting to ostensibly package it as an anti-inflation bill.
Politics is a game of negotiation and compromise. The same impulse as "nothing should ever be logrolled" is saying we should be entirely uncompromising on everything always.
If Ukraine and Israel aid were not bundlable, guess what? We'd get Israel and not Ukraine aid. The more deserving recipient wouldn't get the aid.
We got the biggest and most important climate bill ever
Nah that bill got ruined by "negotiation and compromise" and opened up millions new acres of land leasing for oil and gas extraction. We're gonna continue breaking emissions records every year
We'd get Israel and not Ukraine aid.
Because we've elected zionists and russian agents. And because of that this bill is likely to not pass, and each side can point at a different part of the bill to justify opposing it.
the biggest and most important climate bill ever, likely in the entire world
Lolwut
How about we switch that around...
He said he would an that dickhead speaker still hasnt sheduled a vote on ukranian aid
that dickhead speaker
"Dickhead" is such a vast understatement it almost feels more like downplaying.
"That traitorous, christofascist, Russian shill speaker" better conveys the depths of the motherfucker's depravity.
Your 100% right we really should send him to the front lines and tell him to advanve or get shot taste of his own i guess. And if we cant do that then i suppose executing him for treason would suffice.
Yep, genocide doesn't come cheap.
Do it then. I see the lips moving and the empty promises made, so do something about it then old man. Trump was the same way. Just spouting all these great sounding things that the news print and then never doing a god damn thing about any of it. That's what they do, they say things you want to hear. Then do the opposite
The bill actually needs to get to his desk first...
If you think Trump said anything "great" then you're part of the problem
To be fair, some of the things he promised were good, like a superior replacement for the ACA. We just tend to forget those promises because they were so obviously bullshit from the moment the words left his mouth.
That's a very good thing for an old man to do.
If I absolutely have to pick a side on this dumpsterfire of a conflict then I'd choose Israel but I still don't quite understand what they need military aid for when they're already the bigger and more powerful military of the two. Is this so that they can blow up individual terrorists with a million dollar smart bombs so that they don't need to put their own men at risk? This just seems stupid but then again I'm no military expert either so who cares what I think.
Try these then, the first video is short. Finkelstein is an expert on this issue, and his family was exterminated in the holocaust, except for his parents
Why would you choose Israel? They have already killed more civilians than Hamas has militants and has given no sign of slowing down, they have dropped over 20000 bombs, they aren't trying to kill individual terrorists. Even people in Israel are turning against the IDF and Netenyahu.
hmm.... ok!
Imagine if we redirected that 17.6 billion to programs that would benefit actual breathing people in the US in actual need?
This doofus already did 2 emergency arms sales to Israel, he just wants his other foreign funding on top of funding Israel.
Nothing special here besides republicans doing republican things.
And I think the house Republicans know and accept this. They know that Israel will continue to get funded and they will campaign that Dems and Biden blocked aide to Israel.
No one but Republicans win. Heads I won, tails you lose.
It may give Biden some cred with the pro Ukraine voters.
Biden: "I'm Zionist"
Love how Taiwan is thrown in there for no fucking reason 🙄
Surprising given the whole genocidin biden thing. is he fixated on causing genocide. this makes no sense unless international politics is complicated or something.