Something something rm -fr / to remove the french language pack
the people who troll or make fun of linux beginners are the same people who wonder every year why desktop linux isn't more mainstream
And 80% of these are on Lemmy, I mean put up a question or comment that how Linux is not helpful is simple tasks such as giving permissions to program without using command prompt , will get you downvotes/ you are idiot comments heavily.
Yeah it’s pretty bad
never had anything quite as bad, there are a lot of people commenting "JuSt SwiTcH tO LiNuX" and never answer when you explain how you've tried to switch but sim racing, CAD and many other things are way too complicated to get running reliably.
:(){:|:&};:Now that's a weird way you like oral sex...
Do you not use the "ampersand" when "dining at the Y"? Prude. It's perfectly safe with the proper preparation. Don't believe the rumors, they've got all the signs of a moral panic.
The forbidden emoji
:()
Classic fork bomb
shoutout to @[email protected] who (i believe?) created this fork bomb :)
there is a great in-depth writeup about fork bombs in general, and this one specifically, here.
cheers mate. it's a virus because its copied all over ✌🏽 part of the artwork concept
Why would you tell people to run that command? You're a bad person.
Also it's just wrong advice, since you explicitly need
--no-preserve-rootfor it to work... /sJokes aside, please don't troll anyone with things, that can have severe consequences. Yes, they should have a backup. Yes, they should know how to restore from it. Yes, they should have tested it prior. Yes, you shouldn't blindly trust people online.
But even then: Assuming my backup works and I can easily revert the damage. Maybe I need to complete an assignment until tomorrow and just lost 1-2 hours because my PC was busy doing the restore? There's always a high chance of collateral damage
Some people are really bad at empathy. They don't actually, like, imagine the pain and confusion in the other person if they did unwittingly damage their computer. They're thoughtless. That's a lot of words to say "They're kind of stupid."
And some people do imagine the pain of the victim, and do it anyway. Those people should probably be on a watch list before they start killing small animals or shooting up a school.
It removes the french languagepack
Having moderated forums back in the day, I can answer to some of that motivation.
First, some people are just bullies. A sense of tribalism forms around bullies, who feel the need to act out and repeat the abuses they have endured. Hazing stems from this, too. Cruelty masked as "you should know better," advice. Given too late.
Some have a smug sense of superiority, and want to keep it that way. Less smart people means they stay king of the mountain. Others are scared their own lack of knowledge will cripple them if they don't keep the potential competition down. Insecurities drown out any sense of empathy.
Some people hate themselves so they punish others in retaliation. Like, trying to erase past cringe by making others hurt to even the score.
A few are sick of "the same fucking newbie questions again and again and again," but still hang out in newbie forums for some reason.
Yeah this is the is the biggest reason I dislike Linux forums in a broad sense. Snobby elitist pricks.
Don’t even get me started on arch Linux forums… my favorite is when someone says is something like “this is super fucking simple you just follow this guide: [insert wiki link that is basically a scientific dissertation on the history of arch]
I also feel like a lot of those people are there just to be pricks. I don't think they really know much at all so their input was unwarranted in the first place.
The arch wiki is a very good resource and I use it for all Linux distros. But like most repositories of its kind, it gives you the how and not the why.
That's what most people want from another person, they ask "how" but I think they mean "why".
I think the most annoying people in Forums:
"Well I use Debian, and I use only native packages! I update manually because I need to resolve those dependency problems! Go to hell with your Flatpaks and telemitry, I want freedom! Also I will never use Wayland because Mate doesn't support it"
People thinking they can give advice, while they are clearly using outdated software, not scaleable maintenance effords, etc.
I had this in the KDE forum. Literally 2 dudes telling me no system could auto update, while my system does, today.
people hating on flatpak is a clear indicator of people who don't prioritize an easily useful system.
If you truly understand a subject you like helping newbs, not insulting them. It is people who know just enough to sound like they do but are desperate to look like experts who are the biggest pricks.
Interestingly enough the Arch Linux subreddit is or was way more tame in comparison to its forum
at least I always quoted the relevant paragraph in the wiki alongside a link since I believe it did a better job at explaining it than I could
and if it wasn't in the wiki I added it into it beforehandThe contrast is very strong with the Arch Wiki, which does a genuinely good job - for a set of short articles - at explaining how that whole machinery works. Yet, if you don't understand something from there - good luck finding a person to explain what to do.
I have had a mostly positive experience with the Arch Linux forums, though admittedly, I have never asked anything myself over there. I just turn out to find useful answers to rare problems that are hard to find in other platforms.
Maybe the real problem is the difference in expectations.It's the same on Lemmy. Linux people live in a fantasy world..it's like ya I've done some things on Linux but is it the best OS for most people? Nah. Not even close.
I asked for help on the Discord server of LinuxServer.io and they were literally talking shit about me to each other while I was in the chat because I didn't understand their utter garbage documentation for a Docker I was having trouble with, even with a CS degree.
discord 🗿
The best part of LSCR containers is that their Docker config is rather standardized.
The worst part is they haven't figured out logging for like 75% of them.
I trolled myself by "learning" that I could delete all files in a directory, including hidden files, with
rm -rf ./*. The mistake being that I (more than once...) accidentally put a space between the.and/.And that's why every rm command should start life as an ls command and then change the command and options while not touching the target directory. Takes a little longer, but saves so much hassle when you do fuck up.
I forced myself to use trash (from trash-cli) when I lost my first server install from this.
Nowadays, I've removed the alias from rm that asked me to use trash, and am still using trash if there's a chance I might want to keep something.
Tech forums in any sense.
If you're tired of seeing the same questions, why are you here? You can just ignore them. But treating a newbie like an idiot for not knowing better just discourages people from getting into your thing and keeps you from meeting cool new people.
ESPECIALLY because a lot of these questions come from kids that literally haven't had the chance to learn better yet. Just kindly point them where they need to go. It takes just as much time as telling them off.
that being said.. what's a good website i can at least go to and learn some linux basics and progress to more advanced stuff? i'd at least want to check that out before i start bugging people..
i had the opportunity to take a class back in college but 18 yr old me couldn't handle a 7am class and know-it-alls in the back always interrupting the teacher and trying to show off in class..
The best places I learned from were installing gentoo in a vm and separately linux from scratch for the more advanced stuff. Though I learn more from doing than reading personally
There are enty of books you can read. If you're really interested in learning I suggest you may start learning how to write bash.
For the rest I really would say, that just try doing stuff. Try to set up a docker, or other stuff. Also you can go to already solved Problems and try to understand what the problem was and what they did to solve it.
Also: Just start trying to support people. Google(or any other Search Engine of your liking) is very useful for this. Even if you just find out what exactly the problem is, that helps.
thanks. i have a laptop i deliberately installed debian on.. but that's about it lol
i'll take you up on the support suggestion too.. i recently had to figure out why a unix server went down at work. luckily we had a set of scripts and commands archived from the manager that supported it before he left. all i did was just run them with a little bit of logic and context applied, but it forced me to poke around a bit and seeing what each command did. i was careful enough not to break anything but i found it quite interesting
Ok now type "touch /this"
And then hum the famous M C Hammer song.
YoU sHoUlD tRy GoOgLe NeXt TiMe...
My favorite thing in the world is when the top search result on Google leads to a post from someone telling me to use Google.
Lol I once searched for a specific issue I had.
I found a Github issue for the exact same bug. Perfect!
It had only one reply. "This has already been answered here. Search the other issues for the answer."
It was the second issue ever for the repo. The first issue was entirely irrelevant. The half a dozen other issues that came after also were irrelevant.
Classic
Thats often true though.
In Linux community stuff at the beginning I was really annoying. You need to learn to search the internet first. Lemmy may be different because its free internet (unlike Reddit or Stack*) so duplicate questions may help.
Especially in the GrapheneOS Discuss there are people asking the most basic questions, not getting that its Android and those things are the same anywhere.
It is a shame when mayus and minus are alteRnaTed and there is no Freaking hidden Message... NOt that I'm OBseced with it anyway.
/s just a little joke to add to the actual thread
There is certainly a lack of perspective and empathy between those who spend their time concentrated on computer maintenance and those others who must perform other important tasks in their lives.
Lmao fork bomb
Either that or you insult them for not knowing the answer already, tell them to google it (then why does this forum exist?) or get mad because they did know that their question had already been answered in a forum post in 2019.
Sometimes it's better to daunt them first with this piece.
Before you ask a question, you must read the 10 page essay on how to ask questions. Asking questions is serious business after all, we can't have people doing it incorrectly.
Your sarcasm is on point but there are a limited number of people who can answer some questions. They get flooded and are answering questions on their own free time. So some people get left in the dust if they don't follow the rules.
It sucks but I don't see a way around it.
Written in a typical rude condescending hacker speak.
Let's call it for what it is - it's more of a frustration vent than a guide. And this approach will certainly not make these people read through.
There are always way more polite ways to put it, like:
"Most of the questions you face about software are replied to by unpaid volunteers taking spare time to help you - thereby, the more effort you'll put into properly filing the issue, the quicker you'll get a response. Here are main points that we may need in order to help with your problem, and a way to obtain all information required"
I ain't reading all that
Amen.
Linux Support Communities are a trillion times more welcoming, kind and understanding of new people today than they were 10 and 20 years ago.
I still am scared to ask questions, but at least when I finally have no choice and resign myself to asking a question.. its generally answered kindly, and if its not answered directly I'm at least put in the right direction. And that helps me build my own knowledge base, and helps me solve future problems on my own.
Unlike when I did my first dip into linux a couple decades ago where you'd be called some creative combination of Windows/Microsoft and a sexual slur and told to go the fuck back to windows if you are too stupid to have been born without the complete comprehensive understanding of the terminal.
I hope the community continues to improve, and welcome newbies and their problems like it currently does, so we can all grow and thrive together.
Gaming communities can be incredibly bad. Everyone else is a jerk or moron who wasn't born knowing that doing X increases your DPS by 2.3% on alternate Tuesdays. DUH
What happened to Dexter?
He got the gains... and lost an eye
Props to people are actually helping, it goes a long way and people do learn information differently. Sometimes telling someone just to read something doesn't click.
I realised, that sometimes it is more like a different experience level. And some people forget it could be possible the asking person is an absolute newbie.
And most people in forums are there because they want to help, but they want to help on this one asked case and won't teach the whole Linux universe, most people need years of experience for.
The good thing is, we can use AI for this nowadays, it won't go mad if you are missing an elemental "you really should know, how this works" kind of error.
Yeah people need to find the startingpoint often.
But it is annoying if people ask stuff that is like a single web search, or throw out nonsensical myths that make no sense.
Especially on the GrapheneOS discuss really technical people like always help them, and I think this has to be very tiring
command -v lolis returning an error on my system???This is why I like my Manjaro friends and neighbours.
Honestly, Manjaro community differs from place to place as well.
Russian Manjaro community didn't go much far from Arch one. English, though, is very decent.
I just got a new laptop, I want to change it to Linux, it is going to be a really fun experience
U: Windows Problems...
A: Install Linux
U: Linux problems...
A:sudo rm -rf /👹
Jokes on you I trolled myself by being stupid and not asking for help when installing on the crap old pc I have and fucked myself over by bricking it
Yeah you cant really brick a PC with software. You can lose whatever data ison the hard drive. but even that is likely recoverable
I did somehow manage to ruin an SSD when trying to set up dual booting. I couldn't actually read the data off of it after whatever nonsense I did. After reformatting it a few times to no avail, I gave up on it.
I probably should have tried reinstallling the firmware on the SSD, but I had it at that point. Even so, the PC still worked. After convincing the computer to boot off of the original drive, I had no issues.
Well it still works, it's just that it's "locked" to Linux, no matter what I change in the bios it refuses to boot anything else, live USBs, my old windows drive (since I installed it separately), nothing, only just that install of xubuntu, nothing else
I learnt this when trying to distro hop, that was like a few days after I installed, that was like in September of last year, I haven't fixed (or bothered with) it since
The fact that you need a qualifier speaks volumes.
Yeah, I stopped asking questions about any problems years ago because of the cli bros and god forbid you tried to help and didn't offer an "crowd approved" answer. It just wasn't worth the effort. I just switched to searching for an answer on my own. It makes me pretty bad at solving problems sometimes/often times when I do have an issue, but I still manage to muddle through well enough for my own personal amusement.
Thankfully, unless you choose to walk a path of sackcloth and ashes, these days distros are pretty fool proof and don't need much cli effort anymore. And the older I get, the less I want to bother with anything exotic with any distro I want to use. I just want something that works.
What do you want help with?
The only issue that has cropped up on my current release LM Cinnamon install, is I have added 2 extra storage devices added to a cheapie AWOW micro box. They are both easily recognized, (formatted Ext4), and are available through the file manager for use. One is an 250gb internal drive and the other is a MicroSD is a 128gb card in an external slot. And both show as extra storage and neither are available as bootable disks - only the usb ports allow that.
What I have found is, on boot the main drive shows up on the desktop and the smaller microSD card automagically also shows up and is available for use from there. But the 250gb added internal drive has never shown up on the desktop on boot until I open the file manager and click on it. When I do that, it appears on the desktop but locks out the microSD card shortcut/icon on my desktop, (still accessible through the file manager).
I'm not sure if this is an issue with LM or just how this Cheap, Cheerful, Chinese micro box has it's firmware set up. I lean towards the firmware in the box myself, if so it probably isn't fixable then. And honestly, this isn't really a showstopper problem and more of a quality of life issue that isn't all that difficult to work around - just use the file manage and it isn't a problem. But it would awesome if all three desktop shortcuts played nice together.
This moment when another meme stolen from Deltachat completely explodes
