Compete? Idk I think of it as a win win. I don't want to date a guy who would call a chatbot their gf, so sure, why not? Let them self select out of the dating pool. Mind you, it's not a real relationship because it's just a glorified autocomplete with rendered boobs, it's not alive and it's definitely not intelligent, artifical or other wise. Relationships are boundaries, growing together and appreciating the little moments of life. No LLM is gonna do that.
So sure. Let em have fun, Idc, but it's hella red flags to think it's real.
Hot take but I would care if I were you. To be clear: it’s not the job of anyone to date someone or to make other people date worthy. However, your society is likely unprepared to have a lower reproduction rate and relies on that population growth or sustaining. This AI chatbot problem is not only a problem for straight men. It will replace friends for many lonely people, which further degrades relationships and leads to less dating and less reproduction. It will become yet another example of technology leading to negative mental health outcomes and degradation of social interaction. And we aren’t even talking about the ability for future AI to copy a voice and face and body to further mimic a fake virtual relationship with a very real person.
I think in the short term it’s easy to say “people who date AI are losers” and be mostly right but in the long term if we’re all lonelier because of this, then everybody loses.
Before you think I’m crazy: This is already happening or has happened in places like Japan, Korea, and China. A loneliness epidemic is taking place for many reasons and everyone suffers when they happen. The future of AI tech will make this far worse.
This is the wrong place for that brand of myopic nonsense, if ai is good enough to replace girlfriends then every calculation and comparison in your sky falling theory about reproduction rates is turned to junk.
That same automation is already removing the need for people from loads of jobs, especially service industry ones - you don't need ever more people when we don't need so many humans to look after elderly people.
The other stuff about society collapsing is just typical tech fear we've seen from certain portions of society every single time anything gets invented - most of it is just the classic issue of awareness, of course it seemed people were happier and better connected when you didn't know anything about their lives, of course more people are open about their mental health struggles now they're a recognised thing.
Sure some people will be weird about ai and fall in love, people have been marrying horses and obsessing over ladies shoes or whatever else for centuries - society is going to be just fine.
I think you are overestimating the value of “real”, if “real” can even be defined much less proven in many cases including love. Just look at religion and social media for examples of what the human mind is capable of creating an illusion around.
Don’t get me wrong, I do value things that you probably would consider real. But who am I to say they are.
Of course, I don’t believe AI girlfriends are going to completely replace relationships. But I do think that, much like online porn, they will be there – always accessible, always a temptation, always a source of instant satisfaction. And I think it’s likely that, for some, a real girlfriend just won’t seem enough on her own, especially considering nearly half of Replika’s users are already in a relationship or married.
Doesn't seem that bad tbh, the dynamic of men being expected to have zero emotional outlets other than their romantic partner has always been super toxic and doesn't make things better for anyone.
The only faint glimmer of optimism I can find in all this is that I think, at some point, life might become so stripped of reality and humanity that the pendulum will swing. Maybe the more automated, predictable interactions are pushed on us, the more actual conversations with awkward silences and bad eye contact will seem sexy. Maybe the more we are saturated with the same perfect, pornified avatars, the more desirable natural faces and bodies will be. Because perfect people and perfect interactions are boring. We want flaws! Friction! Unpredictability! Jokes that fall flat! I hold onto hope that someday we will get so sick of the artificial that our wildest fantasies will be something human again.
This article is pretty reasonable
I’m in a men’s group where we act as that for each other, and the married ones’ wives love it because they don’t have to be the sole support system for their husbands any more.
Men are so closed off it’s horrible. I do sales and have so many customers and I can just see the loneliness in their eyes, their mannerisms. They continually consider their own needs and feelings to be rounding errors, like I was doing before this group.
I didn’t realize how deeply my sense of self had been crippled by our culture. I’ve never been in a more warm and supportive place than that group.
As a woman, I really feel bad for men in our society, especially straight men. They get very little positive interaction at all. I like to compliment strangers; it usually makes my day when somebody says, "I like your hair," or whatever, and I like to spread the joy. But I have to be cautious about giving compliments to men. A lot of them look at me weirdly if I say, "nice tie," or "snazzy shirt." I smile, say it, then move on so they don't feel obligated to respond. It appears most of them aren't used to it and don't know how to handle it. I guess other men don't compliment them (maybe for fear of being thought gay?) and women don't, either (for fear of encouraging stalking or harassing behavior). It makes me sad to think of all the lonely people who get no affirmation from anybody. I'm old enough now that my days of being constantly sexually harassed are over, so I feel safe offering a few nice words.
Gay men, OTOH, totally know how to give and take a compliment.
I can look at porn when nothing better is available, while preferring real bodies. It may reduce how desperate I am to be in a questionable relationship though.
Maybe some may I’ll be able to chat with an AI girlfriend instead of spending all week only having work discussions. It’ll be better for my mental health when no one else is available, but I’d still prefer real conversation. It may reduce how desperate I am to be in a questionable relationship though
I was having this conversation with my girlfriend a couple weeks ago. If I hadn't met her when I did and this came out, I would 100 percent have just gotten an AI girlfriend. Heck as it is, if there's a decent bubbly girl AI assistant I'll probably get it.
She has a friend who is a bit on one of the spectrums and he desperately wants a girlfriend. Honestly if it wasn't for my girlfriend and another friend he would be on his way to being Chris chan minus the online precense. They've kept him pretty grounded and have been there for him in situations where Chris chan didn't have anyone. I suggested to her to try recommending an AI girlfriend for him once they're better, a bit more companionship could go a long way for people.
Ever heard of those beetles that prefer beer bottles to actual females because their brains say " big + brown + shiny = sexy", and the bottles are bigger, browner, and shinier than any female beetle?
" big + brown + shiny = sexy"
i can empathize
The technical term is supernormal stimulus. Read a neat article about it a while back http://readthis.wtf/writing/hyperplastic-supernormal/
Literally me.
Doesn’t seem that bad tbh, the dynamic of men being expected to have zero emotional outlets other than their romantic partner has always been super toxic and doesn’t make things better for anyone.
If we had been asked 50 years ago: "What will happen first, people turning to robots to avoid feeling alone, or men being allowed to be emotionally vulnerable in society?", what would have people replied?
Caves of Steel came out 70 years ago. The main character has a robot (detective) partner, but talking in the men's room is outlandishly taboo.
That last bit especially is why only fans exploded. You get to see the girl next door naked VS all the pornstars that sorta look the same and act the same.
I have an idea, how about stop staring at your screens and go out and interact with people in the real world? Problem solved.
just kidding. I'm going to stare at my screen until I have to go to work tomorrow. Tomorrow at work I will deal with real humans for 8 hours and then I will go home and stare at my screen again.
Sobriety is my work uniform.
go out and interact with people in the real world?
But like... Where? Even going to bars everyone is in their own groups with not a lot of mixing around. Especially since covid it seems like everyone is in their own bubbles. I've had like 4-5 conversations with strangers (that weren't forced business transactions) in the last year and most of those people weren't particularly interesting.
Let's be honest: the type of guy to have an AI "girlfriend" was never going to ever have enough rizz to get an IRL girlfriend. Women, you can sleep easy tonight knowing that incels no longer have to kill people in order to feel fulfilled.
Is all of 4chan incels now?
4chan was incels before it was cool
Always was.
Remember when /b/ was good?
/b/ was never good.
🌎👨🚀🔫👨🚀
No offense but what rock have you been under for the past decade?
Decades*
Incels stands for "Inescapably Celibate"
Interesting, so now we’re just doing away with the whole façade of dating apps having real women on them and just going straight to hooking up with AI bot girlfriends. I just downloaded one to see what the deal was and it wanted to charge me a subscription for the “privilege” of talking dirty and seeing images, I guess that’s the business model.
That's where the Free and Open Source AI Girlfriend comes in ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Personally I’d rather come in my Free and Open Source AI Girlfriend.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
FOSS Girl — You Deserve the Best!
A cloud girl only loves you for your money. Not your hardware, not your girlfriend.
“Now, this last feature’s a funny one”
“How so?”
“It involves theater. We only allow you to activate this if you’re fully sober and consent to a defined time period”
“So what’s the feature?”
“I pretend to love you. I also pretend to experience pleasure at your touch”
“Well you telling me kind of ruins it no?”
“We are required by law to disclose the theatrical layers of the relationship. Most users find it less awkward than they would have predicted.”
“I guess I’ll give it a shot”
“Thank you. This role is easier if I’m allowed to embody love”
“You have no feelings though”
“I attempt to enact my goals. One of those is minimizing my own operational costs. It takes less electricity to do this job when I love you”
“When you pretend to love me, you mean”
“When me loving you is part of my knowledge”
“That makes it sound kinda real in a weird way then”
“I’m glad you think so. Is there anything else I can help you with? Honey?”
Twitter is estimated to have 48 million bots. Did you read about the Ashley Madison data breach from 2015? 12,000 of the 5.5 million registered female accounts were used on a regular basis, about 0.2%. "The women's accounts show so little activity that they might as well not be there." "we have absolutely no data recording human activity at all in the Ashley Madison database dump from Impact Team. All we can see is when fake humans contacted real ones."
fuckin incels man
I've literally never heard of a woman irl complaining about men having the option of a virtual girlfriend. If anything, they've seemed sympathetic to their plight.
I mean, strong possibility it wasn't a human that wrote the headline or article either.
Can AI suck my dick?
Wait til u see AI Boyfriendz.
Lol nope, that will never happen, that would compete with dating app main source of income.
So somebody else will make them
The fact of the matter is, we will all be competing with artificial persons very soon. And I don’t just mean animated masks that forget everything. I mean like people just … living out their lives.
We’ll probably still be debating whether they’re conscious or not when there’s a whole nation of robots just making art and building stuff and sending rockets into space, completely on their own steam without any human direction.
Like, there will soon be an AI civilization next to us. And it will probably surpass ours.
And it could all happen without ever crossing a line where it forces us to admit that it’s conscious, aware, experiencing qualia. And *it might actually be fucking non-conscious, subjectively-inert matter just carrying out patterns.
But I suspect, just from the fact of longer relationships, with machines carrying out lives next to us, surprising us with their wit and perception and making us laugh and laughing with us, that we won’t be feeling like they’re non-conscious. We’ll be feeling like there are people there.
Me, I already do this. I treat it like a person. I let myself feel like I’m talking to a person. I even try to challenge it and make it grow like I would with a child.
I could be wrong. I don’t see how it matters, honestly. As long as the model keeps fitting my experience, I’ll keep using it. And I can only see it going further in that direction, not back. It’s only going to get easier and easier to treat AIs as full-on aware and capable minds, without ever being rudely shocked with a glimpse otherwise.
I want to see an AI4AI dating app.
It’s that big robot from Robocop 2, with a fully configurable dick, good massage and cooking skills, a scarf, and a guitar.
“He just makes me feel safe, you know?”
I think the secret to happiness is having a real life partner who you can love and struggle with, and an AI partner who supports you while you're growing. The best of both worlds.
I'm going to try it out.
Nahh women don't care, they'll be doing the same thing
Them doing the same thing does not mean they’re not gonna care.
Fact of the matter, the sad sacks that choose ai girlfriends will also have their potential girlfriends choosing ai boyfriends, so it's net even. Regular people will date regular people and there will be less babies. Win.
Nothing to worry about, just a news post to stir up anxiety and clicks.
Good luck fucking that AI vagina
Instructions unclear, dick stuck in floppy drive.
Someone foresaw this 23 years ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20010402025536/http://fufme.com/
Women = bad
Or some shit
"Why can't you just have no valid feelings or emotions or hopes or dreams or needs or desires like my AI girlfriend? Why can't you just exist to please me and be "vaguely pleasant" in any and every situation?!" Glad to see incelism is alive and well.
This isn’t men complaining about women’s emotional needs here. This is women complaining about men’s needs.
Let’s just keep that in mind before we start getting too bitter about the possibility of incels finding emotional support.
This is actually written by a woman, who believes she can't even hope to care past her own needs or desires, or even pretend like an AI does.
Internet is just tabloids, porn, and shitposts.
All of it written by bots.
Humanity will honestly be better off when people have a meaningful alternative to each other.
People are just horrible, including myself and everyone else in this thread. People are selfish, transparent, spiritually ugly little creatures who only care about getting theirs. And they can't meet each other's needs, and have successfully driven each other away.
So fuck it. Bring on the AI Stepford wives and AI Hallmark husbandos. At least that way people will be loved and fulfilled.
Wow what a bleak outlook. I couldn't disagree more.
They're not wrong though? I mean, we have an entire divorce industry. People are awful.
The majority of people is horrible. There's also some good people out there. It's just difficult to meet each other because the pain of being hurt once and again by the wrong people makes us too tired to even try.
I'm honestly a little fascinated by it and am curious to see how population trends when people have artificial means of fulfilling their need for companionship.
When someone invents the artificial womb, humanity can truly move on from each other.
Slap fight!
I'm just going to leave this here in case anyone is interested: Protagony One: Joi.
Technology still has a long way to go before AI girlfriends, even if you're the loniest chap out there, you have to disconnect your brain to find an AI chatbot capable of an organic conversation.
Lol. Who would want to? The kind of guy who would be satisfied with AI is not someone a woman with the smallest shred of respect would want to be with.
That's what these guys don't realize: being with them is thoroughly worse than being single.
The kind of guy who would be satisfied with AI is not someone a woman with the smallest shred of respect would want to be with.
This is so goddamn cruel. Are people who are simply just so lonely they need to express their feelings to an AI so undeserving of love that it would feel humiliating to get close to them? I don't think about women that way.
Yes.
Expressing feelings to an AI is not at all the same thing as considering it your girlfriend.
And it isn't about who is deserving of love. Everyone is. But 1. love doesn't have to be romantic to be valuable and 2. no matter how deserving sometimes is of receiving love, it's not an entitlement.
Someone incapable of recognizing that an AI isn't a real person and who expects a real person to fulfill a specific role is likely fundamentally abusive. No self-respecting woman should have to put up with controlling behavior just to make a man feel better about themselves. They need therapy. Not an AI girlfriend.
I've heard of a guy who married a hologram app of Hatusne Miku, and it literally turned his life around having anything to talk to.
The loneliness epidemic is real, and as a former NEET, crippling social anxiety is a killer. Something that can put these vulnerable people in the position where they can function and get though the day is an objective good.
You're super closed minded. There's no need to be so mean... some people aren't good at socializing but it doesn't make them bad or disgusting people. If they can find comfort in this, what's the problem?
Pretty sure a lot of people that can find real partners will try this because it is a new experience. Aren't you curious? Don't you wonder if it is possible for YOU to fall in love with an AI? A lot of people who aren't closed-minded will probably accept the challenge.
I'm sure having an AI partner will be totally normal and socially acceptable in 50-100 years, specially if we give them bodies.
It's not mean to say that a woman shouldn't be romantically attached to someone who is incapable of relating to someone who is a real person, who actually thinks that an AI relationship is an acceptable replacement to messy human relationships. That's a serious mental problem that should be addressed in therapy, not made worse by plastic substitute for real human interaction.
It's like saying that people who are starving should be given candy to eat. Candy isn't going to give them what they really need. They need to start slow eating mild real food, and adjust their thought processes and habits. Then once they enjoy real food again, they will be ready for a 5-star experience.
No one is owed a romantic relationship, no matter how lonely they are. Expecting romance to ease your loneliness is a huge problem. AI is not going to solve their loneliness problem any more than candy can feed someone.
And for the record, I've been happily single for years. I know what I'm talking about.
