List could be released as soon as Tuesday after deadline for objections to unsealing of names passes midnight Monday
List could be released as soon as Tuesday after deadline for objections to unsealing of names passes midnight Monday
Nearly 200 names connected to the Jeffrey Epstein-Ghislaine Maxwell sex trafficking conspiracy could be released by a New York judge as soon as Tuesday, exposing or confirming the identities of dozens of associates of the disgraced financier that until now have only been known as John and Jane Does in court papers.
A deadline for objections to the unsealing of the names passes at midnight on Monday, nearly nine years after victim Virginia Giuffre filed a single defamation claim against Maxwell, daughter of the late British press baron Robert Maxwell, in 2015, that in turn produced the names in legal depositions.
A year later, in 2016, US district court judge Robert Sweet rejected Maxwell’s motion to dismiss the case, finding that “the veracity of a contextual world of facts more broad than the allegedly defamatory statements” and that Guiffre “was a victim of sustained underage sexual abuse between 1999 and 2002”. The parties settled out of court in 2017.
Clinton and Trump were reported to have some connections, then also was one from British royalty (don't care enough to know which one), also Gates, but was Obama his friend too?
Didn't we already see the list in the form of the black book that was released years ago? I felt like it came out, and people were like "yep, that makes sense" and then nothing changed.
Law enforcement doesn't need the names to be public, literally the only thing this changes is that the public will know the names. Don't expect anything to happen.
They led to over 150 cases of severe consequences in Germany. Beginning with very high tax "recalculations", company closures, heads rolling (firings in some of the affected companies or the end of some political careers, like Bert Meestadt or Nawaz Sharif's dismissal from office) to actual imprisonments. 71 Million Euros of "additional" Taxes have already been payed, Mossack is wanted by Europol, and many many more.
Many cases are still open - justice takes time.
To say nothing happend due to the Panama Papers is just blatantly misleading and utterly untrue.
That's a couple quiet drips into the pissbucket, and
No one even implied that "nothing" was done, FFS.
The entirety of the Panama Papers' consequences worldwide is so abysmally, shamefully miniscule by comparison to the crimes inherent that your "um akshually" comes off as pedantic AF.
the names will come out, people will make a big deal for a couple days, the authorities in charge will go "now now, you've got to understand", then people will move on to the next thing and the people in charge will go back to very publicly fucking children.
I think you're right. We're going to see some expected names, some unexpected names, and some randoms.
The unexpected names are already working on how they'll publicly say they weren't involved like that and without any further evidence it'll all just fade.
We'll say yeah, we kinda expected that guy to be an Epstein island tourist. But hey, there are still-sitting politicians who we know this kind of thing about and their positions are unaffected.
That took a while… enough to have double/triple/quadruple checked and "removed" most high profile names with any modicum of power and/or financial backing 🤔
Well I reserve my judgment until the names are published. We already know some of the entourage from previous journalists and reports.
If most names published are of unknown, foreign or already passed away individuals it would be quite suspicious indeed.
It will look bad on people who try to look ethical, but it will have no effect on those who don't. So the Clinton's would take a hit if Bill was on there, but Trump wouldn't be affected.
The right wing easily draws in one-issue voters since their primary issues are usually about taking away something from someone else, and so they don't require many resources and generally are accomplished more easily using unethical means than ethical ones. "It's just business," and all that.
Leftists tend to be more about building something rather than tearing it down. That's both more work and requires a lot of shared resources. So ethical practices are required to keep those resources from getting misused.
It will look bad on people who try to look ethical, but it will have no effect on those who don't. So the Clinton's would take a hit if Bill was on there.....
In reality? Nothing, if there’s no further evidence of the individual’s participation in Epstein’s activities. Because of the shitload of people who encountered Epstein in various social settings without participating in his illegal activities (not saying they didn’t have knowledge of his activities which I assume was an open secret among the wealthy) it will be likely be impossible to pin individuals to crimes sufficient to result in a conviction in court. Plus, being rich and powerful is a disincentive for prosecutors to pursue crimes because of all the usual reasons.
they didn’t have knowledge of his activities which I assume was an open secret among the wealthy
I imagine most people thought "Epstein sure likes those barely-legal, young-looking girls!" Some surely knew he was raping minors, but I bet it was a tiny minority. Even if they personally had no problem with pedophiles (unlikely), they must have known how dangerous it would be to be associated with them.
For Epstein, it was probably a big risk every time he revealed that the girls were actually underage. The person he revealed it to might try to blackmail him. So, I bet he was very selective about who he let know that the girls were minors. Sure, he was seen with young-looking girls, but they were probably plausibly old enough that people could assume they were just barely 18. He probably used them to see who was especially interested, and those people were the ones who he revealed the truth to.
I can't rule out "nothing" completely, with the knowledge I have. It's absolutely something we should see, though. It will sketch out the whole picture in a way that allows people to exonerate themselves or be further implicated. If it's specific enough for people to have alibis, then that's interesting, and if it's full of plausible allegations, then they could become more damning. Consider that the details of what people are "accused" is likely to vary - are they accused of being on a plane with other witnesses? Who is accused of having extensive opportunities to have committed abuses during their stay on the island? What was the pretense for their involvement with Epstein and Maxwell? It puts people in a position to explain what they did or did not know about Jeffrey Epstein at the time, and for those claims to be cross-checked, where possible. Close contacts of the accused may be prompted to add additional information from their recollections or records, if they learn that they had been lied to. Another possibility is that the allegations are frustratingly vague and don't actually create a clear picture of any criminal behavior.
You demonstrate exactly why it's such a mistake to release this, as most people don't understand that being on this list doesn't even necessarily mean there is any suspicion around you at all. It's just a list of every name that came up in trial, this can include victims even, but a lot of it might be a person was just included on an email or something else completely innocuous.
U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska ruled earlier this month there was no legal justification for continuing to conceal the ex-president's name and more than 150 names other "John and Jane Does" mentioned in the records.
Come on man, if you're gonna gaslight at least spell "Hollywood" right. "the entire democratic party ever"? You can do better than that. I know English isn't your first language but you could at least plug it into grammarly or something.
smh this troll can't even troll correctly. I guess enshitification applies to bait accounts too
Miley was a minor herself while most of Epstein's "business" was going on. Jesus Christ, find a better target besides right wing hate person of the week.
Not all that well tho, seems they just did the ol "black bar over image" thing idiots keep doing with PDFs where you can actually remove the black bars and see what's underneath.
But a lot of names are only first names or initials, so it's probably not going to be as helpful or exposing as one would like them to be.
The Orange One and JFK Jrs names are in there in full tho.
"Nearly 200 names connected to the Jeffrey Epstein-Ghislaine Maxwell sex trafficking conspiracy could be released by a New York judge as soon as Tuesday, exposing or confirming the identities of dozens of associates of the disgraced financier..."
'dozens' is not the same as 200. Therefore, I'd have to assume that some of those names, that are just described as 'connected' to Epstein could very well be his victims. I could well be wrong, it just seems a bit concerning that no one's considered how the actual victims feel about this.