lemmy.world leads the pack as the #1 most active instance, outpacing the next 5 non-bot instances combined!

That's great and imma let you finish but remember that decentralization is strength on the fediverse. Join or create other instances, join or create communities on other instances, thats our strength.

On the fediverse, instances come and go. I've seen big instances go down either permanently or temporarily, and ive also seen big communities decide they're turning off federation. The only way to be safe from that is to decentralize, so if something happens there's still something worth doing on the fediverse.

Besides that though, congratulations lemmy.world, I love to see the thrediverse Renaissance we're in, and nothing but love for the folks running this instance and the folks participating on it.

Some of us were here before it blew up... lol.

Good. It is important to have different instances to distribute the load though. However, I hope there are not many people joining BeeHaw...

I hope there are not many people joining BeeHaw…

I don't hope that, exactly, I just hope that the people who join understand what they're getting (and, more importantly, what they aren't). I fully support a community with a different goal than most, and their goal seems like a wholesome one. I personally think it's doomed to failure, but I support them giving it a try. They're barely part of the fediverse though.
- I agree. That's the point of having different instances. Some of the original Lemmy instances had a very specific worldview and didn't want to hear much else. I'd prefer they stay there to live in their echo chamber and I leave them alone, than they come out and start demanding the rest of us bow to their authority.
  
  The broader fediverse sort of works that way. There's a fediverse that's really locked down, the sort of in between, and there's the wild west, and the three coexist in different ways. I can disagree with them, but it's their sandbox and I have mine and in that way we can coexist on the same platform
- There still some good instances that Beehaw is federated with, but my personal issue is that it feels very fragile. If a couple of bigots show up on other instances and the mods don't delete their posts right away, will Beehaw defederate from them? There is a line between protecting your users and barring them from accessing anything you don't approve of, and I think they need to figure out where they stand in regards to that line. Beehaw feels more like a small forum than a piece of something bigger.
  
  Defederating because of raiding, harassment, bots, etc is 100% understandable but it should not be done lightly.
Looks like beehaw.org is shedding users. They've lost about a thousand users since defederating from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works last week. Maybe a bunch of people weren't happy with that move.
- They’re probably ok with that
- since defederating from lemmy.world
  
  Oh. I think I maybe figured out why my subscriptions to beehaw communities are still pending.
  
  Dang it. Am I really going to have to write a thoughtful essay to get an account there? I hate writing. Thoughtfully, anyhow.
Why not beehaw? Did something happen?
- They've defederated from both lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. They're still a good community, but I don't consider them part of the fediverse at this point.
- They defederated with the some of the largest instances that have open registration due to the influx of people causing issues in their own communities and the lack of mod tools to address the issue. People are still pissy about it despite beehaw admins stating they will lift the defederation once lemmy mod tools improve…
- Regardless of what happened, beehaw is not for everyone.
  
  They aim to be a safe haven for people that are afraid to be harassed for who they are. It's a noble goal IMO but to achieve that, they have to moderate their instance quite heavily.
  
  If you're not their target audience, you'll find it too restrictive.
- you might want to look at the list of instances they blocked (your lemmygrad.ml instance is on the list btw)
Whats wrong with beehaw? I got a couple really active, good communities from there in my feed
- They block a shit ton of instances, not always for good reasons. Often to maintain an echo chamber.
As long as people understand the circumstances of that instance I have absolutely no problem with people finding the place they belong.

I just hope there are not new users who don't realize they may not be federated with the larger community.

Also lemmy.world is extremely slow in pushing out messages to other instances, if at all. So leading the pack is not necessarily the best thing until you figure out scaling.

Yeah, they should really consider not accepting new users until that is figured out, honestly. There are plenty of servers out there that people can join at this point. Too much centralization in a decentralized system for my liking regardless of instance scaling.
Yeah, I've been missing a ton of comment replies from lemmy.world and it's frustrating. I am wondering if it's because they're still on 0.17.4 instead of 0.18.
- Yeah I think that's the main issue. Hopefully 18.1 can be released soon so they can upgrade too.
The server has already been upgraded 3 times. I'm sure they'll upgrade again if they're seeing issues. They might not know if it's an external issue.
- It is likely a lemmy version difference.
Is that what's happening when I try to reply and it just loads forever?
- That should have been fixed about a week ago, hopefully it hasn't happened to you lately!
  
  Here's ruud's post explaining: https://lemmy.world/post/288652
- No I think that is just you telling lemmy.world the message which sometimes can get stuck. Only after the message was sent will other instances sync with lemmy.world if they are federated.

Back in my day lemmy.ml was the biggest instance.

Account age: 1 week

Yep checks out
- Now do me!

More users does not ALWAYS mean a good thing.

You are correct, but it at least shows that we are attracting more users (albeit, that doesn't mean quality).

I believe its a positive thing though, as it shows that the "normies" are seriously considering alternatives; outside of us niche, nerds here for the tech and the anti-corpo mindset.
- Well said. A month ago, I couldn't even imagine leaving reddit because there was hardly a viable alternative.
- Just showed up here. We'll see how long I stay, but hoping this will be my social media fix each morning. If there are enough folks who feel the same, it will be.
- I am decidedly not a niche nerd here for tech reasons. I just got pretty fed up with Reddit and it’s ridiculousness. I’m a 40 year old mom just here to cruise around the internet and find interesting things. So you are correct - the “normies” are starting to look for alternatives!
You are correct and Lemmy.World and others will experience growing pains and will have their own share of issues but the positive of this is that more users means more content.

lemmy.world is probably leading because it’s easy to sign up

I mean, i would rather have an easy sign up then go through a shitty purity test like beehaw.org makes you go through.
- I wrote 2 short paragraphs for the Beehaw entry and a week later was denied. By that point I was already on Lemmy.World.
  
  I really don't know what else they wanted me to say to be honest. I'd be interested in seeing some accepted applications but seems excessive.
- Exactly! Or a waitlist like lemmy.ml. There’s probably going to be some issues with so many people in this instance, but it’s better than an echo chamber.
- Jesus you're bitter
I'm here because there's less censorship
- how does censorship in federation work? for example, my account is in beehaw and I posted censored content on a less censored instance, will beehaw able to track it and block my account?
- Literally why I came to Lemmy as a whole.
However is been just "spinning" on yrying to sign up for over a week for me...so I ended up going with lemm.ee instead
- You need to verify your email address

Hello All, First time poster here. I would just like to say that i tried signing up for beehaw.org but they have some kind of purity test that reminds me of Reddit. Don’t ever sign up for beehaw, that is going to be one hell of a drama filled instance.

Drama? Ooooh brb
- Just remember to not piss in the popcorn.
Ironically all of the drama and complaining seems to be coming from instances outside of Beehaw, being dramatic and complaining about Beehaw. The content there is actually good.
- Really it's just drama caused by the platform not maturing yet. Beehaw's reasons behind defederating from large instances like lemmy.world are valid, but it's not like other instances made them do it. It's a choice they made to be able to create the space they want in lieu of proper mod tools. Hope they realise it won't be an overnight fix, and the longer they stick to their guns the greater the risk of their communities fizzling out, which would be a shame as I agree they are some of the best.
- Quite agreed. It really doesn't take much more effort to sign up under their system, but it seems people on other instances love complaining about things they know nothing about.
- I noticed the same thing about North Korea. You never hear anyone complaining about dictatorship inside the country.
I tried to sign up for beehaw… they rejected my application. Glad they did, I really enjoy lemmy.world!
I'm starting to get curious about the beehaw sign up process. I think I'm gonna try signing up just for the hell of it.

It's awesome to see the growth, but as a small question, why don't all the instances upgrade to version 0.18? Maybe that version isn't stable enough?

0.18 removed checks and balances to limit bot signups. lemmy.world won't upgrade until this is in place.
- Thanks!!
- Yep, so now I need to put up with Jerboa whining at me every time I log in. Just the latest in what's likely to be a long line of teething problems. It's really unfortunate that the same guy is one of the primary devs of both the Lemmy server and the android client, as it allows him to use one to put pressure on the other. He could E.G. make it so Jerboa refuses to connect to any instance that refuses to update rather than just displaying an annoying dialog like it currently does.
To clarify the vague "checks and balances" statement that you were given, it was the captcha feature. It will be added back in 0.18.1

I joined world because it was the little one, with like 100 active users according to the stats on the signup page. Hmph.

I joined lemmy.world on June 7th before it started to blow up. Crazy how much it has changed in 19 days.
- Makes you wonder where we'll be in another 19!
question - why is/was joining a little instance a good thing?
- The idea was to pick a smaller one to spread the load around and stop any one instance (at the time it looked like probably Beehaw or .ml) getting so big it became a "default" and thus accidentally centralising things and defeating the whole purpose of being here.
  
  I guess a lot of people had the same idea at roughly the same time as me though lol, and now we're stuck with some serious unforseen federation issues due to sheer size. Therewasanattempt.

Good time to appreciate the lack of dominant centrality here compared to mastodon.

Mastodon's flagship instance run by the BDFL, mastodon.social, has ~10 times the monthly active users of the next biggest instance.

Here, there isn't really a flagship instance, as the devs don't want their instance to be anything more than the one they happen to run, and it's not the biggest, and the biggest is independent of the lemmy dev team and isn't even that much bigger than the others.

That might also be a response to what users were asking for. Signing up for a server confused the shit out of everyone. It was to the point where Mastodon’s confusing onboarding process was frequently being covered by major media outlets across the globe.

Instead of continuing to iterate on sever selection experience, they just started to say “fuck it” and started dumping everyone into .social.
- Which is the only way they're ever going to work. It's a major barrier to sign ups. If the fediverse is actually going to take off one of the Lemmy sites will have to become the dominant one
It does appear that lemmy.world is heading in the same direction of mastodon.social though.

I'm reading from kbin.social. Does kbin get included in the stats?

No, these stats are specifically how many users are active that have their accounts on Lemmy.world.
Check this
- dang 49k users and 49k active users
  
  are these actually true?
I don’t think so. At least not the stats page OP used. It’s only Lemmy instances and kbin is a different platform.

We did it Reddit!

NGL I thought Blajah would be higher given that 196 moved there

Probably a couple hundred dedicated posters. So many 196 memes on my feed and I don't even know what 196 stands for.
- 196 is the apartment of awesome!
  
  Welcome to the party!
  
  Share something while you're here it's the rule.
  
  We've got Blahaj, memes, LGBTQ+, and no tankies.
  
  We recently had to change venue due to reddit shenanigans, but the party don't stop until it all stops
I kind of feel we're riding the sweet spot on size right now. Seems like a solid amount of content but we've not had so many new users that there's been any sudden cultural shift.

Now show us a chart differentiating between robots and sentient users.

Like there are sentient users on social media sites.
- Hi pot, I'm kettle

its a monopoly stooop it

What counts as an active user? Voting? Commenting? Posting?

What counts as an active user? Voting? Commenting? Posting?

Submitting a comment or post. AFAIK upvoting/downvoting doesn't count, at least for Lemmy's numbers.

Kbin is looser with the definition, I think they even count accounts that simply vote among active users.
Probably logging and clicking a post or two

If every lemmy.world active user committed to just 2 posts and 2 comments per day there would be 27,000 new posts and comments to read daily, or more than 1,000 per hour on average.

This is my second post today. Doing my part.

Great, but all this activity also has a subtle downside. Lemmy.world is by far the slowest federating instance I see on the Lemmyverse. It typically takes hours for posts and comments to reach my instance.

Hopefully improvements to Lemmy will make federation faster and more efficient. Sidekiq seems to do a good job on large Mastodon instances.

I guess the percentage of inactive lemmy.ml user is higher due to the higher percentage of older accounts.

Probably a decent number of them like me where when I signed up there back then it was basically just lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml to pick from. Now that there are other options I created accounts on a couple other instances for redundancy (plus at the time lemmy.ml was buckling under the load) as well as having content and moderation rules I liked better. I'd bet a large number of those inactive accounts are actually active on lemmy, just on different instances.

It's great to see Lemmy world growing so fast! As I'm still trying to grasp how to the Fediverse works in practice, how much does one need to 'trust' the lemmy instance?

If the instance is shut down or the owner enacts policies the community doesn't agree with, what happens to all of the content and communities in the instance?

now they just need to update to 0.18. I've been back on lemmy.ml since the update. The scrolling kills it for me.

They're not updating til 0.18.1 comes. The lemmy devs got rid of captcha in 0.18 and lemmy.world devs asked if they could add it back in 0.18.1 and they agreed so once that happens it will update. Said there would be too many bots without captcha.

Love seeing the growth!

man all I did was make a couple of comments on reddit.

how cool is that!

I might jump ship in order to bring balance to the force

Hurrah for our World!

Feddit.de already 4th place. One step closer to conquering the fediverse!

What's the #6 instance?

I've had a few people tell me they are having problems joining on IPhone.

Is there a reason for that?

Poggers!

Who is Lemmy? Is this an underground movement thing on the dark web or something?

Ian Fraser Kilmister (24 December 1945 – 28 December 2015), better known as Lemmy Kilmister or simply Lemmy, was an English musician. He was the founder, lead singer, bassist and primary songwriter of the rock band Motörhead, of which he was the only continuous member, and a member of Hawkwind from 1971 to 1975.

I didn't know there was a competition. Did you win an internet or something?

Yep! Your prize is slightly longer load times and more liklihood of federation.

What is the purpose of bots, other than spam, lemmy tools and 3rd party scrapers (if that’s a thing)?

Propaganda, brigading, post votes manipulation, and once accounts are "established" they could be sold for astroturfing.
- I've noticed weird vote counts, and sometimes it's clearly a bug. But do you think a small number of downvotes that make no sense would be bots? Or just trolls?
Eventually, to use humans as Duracells
- Woah