Russia’s sabotage of western targets ‘could trigger Nato defence clause’
Russia’s sabotage of western targets ‘could trigger Nato defence clause’
German intelligence chief warns of Russian ‘direct military confrontation’ with Nato if the Kremlin steps up warfare
Summary
Germany’s intelligence chief, Bruno Kahl, warned that Russia’s hybrid warfare, including cyberattacks and sabotage, could escalate to the point where NATO considers invoking Article 5, its mutual defense clause.
Speaking in Berlin, Kahl noted Russia’s growing military capabilities, including battle-hardened troops and advanced drone warfare, which could pose a direct threat to NATO by the end of the decade.
Russia may aim to test NATO’s unity rather than launch large-scale invasions, raising concerns over potential “red line” provocations designed to undermine the alliance’s credibility.
That's the point.
Russia has aimed to destabilize the US since the cold war.
I feel like I'm m taking crazy pills. The cold war never ended. We changed battlefields and everyone shut up about it.
And in the last 20 years we have gotten our balls stomped. Our enormous military is useless if they can turn it against our citizenry.
How fucking dumb are we?
A lot. We are a lot dumb
I’m now past the middle of this talk. While the points about how subversion works in general are insightful, his diatribe about unions makes no sense. He claims that unions got radicalized and became violent recently and that was helped by Soviet propaganda. That’s brutally wrong. Clashes between unions and company militias were much more violent historically and way before the October revolution, let alone the creation of the KGB. His talking points on this come straight out of Milton Friedman’s mouth. It’s straight up right wing propaganda. Given that right wing propaganda is the reason why the working class is on its knees today and has just elected Donald Trump, it begs the question whether his talk isn’t KGB subversion itself.
E: He gave the CIA coup in Chile that installed Pinochet as a good example for how to stop the process of Soviet subversion. Also straight up said that Americans should support right wing conservatives to curb this process. Restrict the rights on certain groups. Don't elect the gays into power - they're an enemy. 🤦
It ended. Putin re-engaged.
I'm just here for the ball stomping (harder pls)
No clue why this is being downvoted, its the only comment in this thread thats going to achieve anything. (It made me laugh)
It went to proxy wars after the cold war. There were a whole series of conflicts and interventions where USA and/or Russia were involved, sometimes more, sometimes less. Ukraine is basically the end boss of the proxy wars.
America still behaves like it's in the colonial era. It is the country that has been invading sovereign nations, sabotage and economic warfare. Nobody likes a bully.
Russia already has their man in place ready to undermine NATO fatally from within, starting on January 20th.
Russia were paying Afghans bounties to kill US and NATO serviceman and Trump did nothing about it, then Biden chickened out on responding to that as well. Our leadership continues to not give a single shit for our troops. They also clearly dont care at all about US citizens being slaughtered by Israel, or NATO positions being attacked by Israel. Strikingly few of our leaders deserve to be in office. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/27/politics/russia-us-troops-afghanistan/index.html
Russian mercenaries even attacked a US base in 2018-- Trump did nothing at all about that either. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-16/russia-attacked-u-s-troops-in-syria
Our diplomats and their families were attacked at their jobs with microwave weapons giving them "havana syndrome" for the rest of their lives, and Trump and Biden did fuckall about that either.
Just fucking do it already. We are all going to fuck sooner or later so let's get it on now. No more foreplay just spit on it and get to fucking.
Hawk tuah
Official mascot of WW3
If NATO does choose to retaliate, it should take out the troll farms first.
They forgot to say "and this time we mean it". How is Russia supposed to take NATO seriously if they don't include that?
Eh, everybody does saber rattling from time to time. Most people are happier with harsh words than bombs I suppose.
Though that’s no comfort to Ukraine, who are already embroiled in war.
And Russia has been sabre rattling like nobody's business since before the war started.
In order to have battle hardened troops they have to survive combat...
You noticed that too, did you?
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Most do. At least for a while.
Which is why Trump will withdraw from NATO and effectively neuter it in the short term allowing Putin to do whatever he wants until Europe can muster the resources to defend its Eastern-most and Scandinavian members, which Putin wants to annex.
He doesn't even need to do that, he just needs to add enough doubt about whether America would actually help defend NATO if Article 5 is invoked, which he has already been doing, to make it so the rest of NATO can't really do anything.
He'll gut NATO, & he'll openly help Putin.
The only question left is to-what-degree, & when.
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It should have triggered that years ago.
DO IT. Hopefully before Trump's dumb ass gets into office.
Is this the NATO variant of threatening to nuke?
Its a real shame they didnt just sink the boats found to be damaging the cables.
But it won't, no chance.
This guy is just crazy to push the nuke button