IDF soldiers should refuse orders which may be war crimes, Israeli ex-security adviser tells BBC
IDF soldiers should refuse orders which may be war crimes, Israeli ex-security adviser tells BBC
A former senior security official tells Fergal Keane that Israel might be committing war crimes in northern Gaza.
It's always "ex" and "former," never "current."
Israelis concerned about morality should refuse to serve in the IDF at all and take the jail time instead.
For those who didn't, they obviously believe in what they're doing to some extent and I'm not convinced that the incentives are really there to do the right thing. What is the consequence for committing the war crime? It is non existent. Straight up. So if you risk punishment by refusing, why would you?
Again, if you have morals you should lay down your arms and fucking leave Gaza immediately. Refusing one order is pointless when there are war crimes committed every day.
If all the people did that you would only have the most bloodthirsty lunatics
That may be true, but bloodthirsty lunatics without the numbers to back them up lose much of their effectiveness.
I think that was their point
So if you risk punishment by refusing, why would you?
Moral convictions? Jesus Christ, people...
I was going to joke and say they'll have to just stay at home, but those homes are likely illegal settlements
Wait till you learn that all of Israel is a settlement on stolen land
Yeah, I'm sure a soldiers don't normally face reprisal for refusing to follow orders. /s
Maybe... don't issue orders that may be war crimes?
Yes, it's a very sticky wicket. In Israel's case you can just be a conscientious objector and either make up an excuse for non-service, or take the jail time. In places that don't even pose as Liberal democracies that's not an option, and you're best off trying to defect to someone else. If you can't manage that either, it's basically just time to survive while choosing kindness wherever you can, even if it means some loss and some risk. The soldier in The Pianist giving the guy cake comes to mind.
I believe it was Chris Browning who showed that German Wehrmacht soldiers, who refused to be in Einsatzgruppen didn't get punished for it.
Might be. Just a hunch, nothing concrete to report
Gee I don't know ... they call themselves the Chosen People and require everyone else to do that too or they levy accusations of antisemitism.
How can a Chosen Person TM do a war crime ? Unpossible.
They are also indoctrinated during that service to see Palestinians as vermin.
Some of them, others I think uh monster trucked through un facilities with tanks?
They relish in committing war crimes, they don't see us as people
Soooo all orders
Weve been through that before haven't we?
"might".
And face being dragged before court for refusing to follow orders. The army is very well known for giving soldiers freedom to interpret orders.
In civilized nations, obeying an unlawful order is, itself, unlawful.
Also known as "courage".
You are not required to obey an unlawful order and in most militaries you are required not to. If you get court martialed it shouldn't be a problem since you were in the right and not the officer issuing the unlawful order.
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