Looking past the recent vegan drama, have you ever wondered why your pet might not like particular foods? Have you ever actually tasted the food yourself?
I have, and some taste more like a chemistry lab than actual nutrition.
I mean, animals don't necessarily experience taste in the same ways humans do. What tastes terrible to me may still be very appealing to a dog or cat etc., regardless of taste.
Exactly.
We like sweet things as this is our way to detect glucose for our brain; salty things for minerals, etc.
Our pets diets are different, so are their taste preferences.
Iirc, a totally blunt piece of dried food tastes great for a cat, since they seek protein more than anything.
Yup, cats can't taste sweetness for that reason, while birds don't have receptors for spice and can eat chillies easily.
That's just the taste buds themselves, additionally:
A large part of our taste response is tied to smell. This is why food tastes different when sick. It's also hard to try yourself because you can "smell" through the back of your throat too
the air around us will affect taste perception, which is why some foods taste better or worse on a plane
genetic factors exist, such as how some people taste cilantro/parsley as soapy
What constitues chemicals for you? I agree with your point- if your dog doesn't like the treat and you find it tastes unnatural, I agree it's maybe a bad treat/crappy quality treat.
But "chemical" is not really a descriptor for taste- everything is chemicals. Sugar is a chemical. There are chemicals in natural foods such as meats, veggies, fruits, it's all chemicals. I think you're trying to say that the treats taste unnatural or overly processed?
Animals don't taste the same way we do. For example, cats don't have the receptors for tasting sweet things...so they can barely detect sweetness at all.
Dogs only have 25% as many taste buds as humans, so most things have a very mutes taste for them. Plus, every dog I've ever had absolutely LOVED cat shit covered in kitty litter, so I never put much faith in their sense of taste.
Yeah, they'll have flavors they like more or less, just like us, but even we can't trust our sense of taste as a metric for nutrition...if we could, we'd all be addicted to brocolli and spinach instead of processes foods and sugar.
How do you know that the only reason you don't like cat shit is because you have a cultural revulsion to it?
My wife fucking loves coagulated blood. Like just big old chunks of blood which was packed into casings and boiled until it became a massive chunk of scab. Meanwhile I legit cannot be in the same room with it. As far as I'm concerned it might as well be cat shit
If my dog refuses to eat what's supposed to be a dog treat, and I try it and it tastes like a chemistry lab, then I think me and my dog both agree it tastes more like chemicals and more toxic than garbage.
Even if humans and animals have different taste buds, if the food tastes wrong, ain't nobody gonna eat it.
I also wouldn't know what my dog thinks of the taste of cat shit, as that's not on his menu. Not sure where that thought came from even, that's not even food.
I'm referring to actual food products for pets. If the pet doesn't like it, there's probably a reason why, and that reason is likely that companies tend to make substandard foods not suitable for human consumption for pets.
lmao nobody feeds their dog cat shit. but they try to eat it anyway because they are dogs and they'll eat a dirty diaper if you don't throw it away out of reach. smh
I had a Jack Russell who was crazy about eating out of the litterbox. Just horrifying, obviously. Maybe it tastes like meat, idk, who knows what it smells like to a dog.
A friend of mine back in middle school did a science project on what cat food tastes the best. He used his cat as the main experiment, but when he presented his project he also had samples for everyone to try and vote on their favorite. The cat liked Science Diet. The consensus among our classmates was Meow Mix.
Interesting. At the end of the day though, what matters is what's healthy for your pet and what they like best.
I never suggested that humans and pets have the same taste buds and appetites, but when your dog refuses to eat a dog treat, and you taste it yourself and it also tastes like chemical garbage, then it only stands to reason that those particular dog treats are trash.
I didn't realize you were trying to present some sort of argument here, I was just sharing a fun story that answered the post title.
All food tastes like chemicals. Taste is a function of chemical receptors on your tongue. Btw you are made entirely of chemicals, but many people have already told you this today.
Yep. I've tasted kibbles and baked treats / cookies. They're generally not great, but the ones that taste ok are also my dogs favorites. Usually just like a sugar free human snack.
I do a lot of dried sardines as snacks and a couple Chinese coworkers tried them, they said they taste just like their version but without the salt and spices.
I feed my pets raw, so haven't tried those. They seem to love it though.
Someone donated some dog biscuit treats for our recently adopted dog Brownie, but he wouldn't eat them. I tried a bite, but it didn't taste anything like nutrition, it just seriously tasted like a chemistry lab.. ☹️
wondered why your pet might not like particular foods?
No. It's the same reason that you don't like particular perfectly good foods. They're attuned to different factors, but it's the same process to appeal to them.
Back in the day, my mom fed their cat 9 Lives outdoor food. After a while she quit eating.
After I figured out the difference between outdoor and indoor food (basically extra preservatives), and got the same exact food, but the indoor variety, kitty chowed down!
i like to think my palate is slightly different to that of a dog
they evolved to basically survive on table scraps and other food humans didn't want to eat so i'm not sure our concepts of "peak taste" will be the same
people sometimes have to stop their dogs eating their own vomit
I used to put my cat's kibble in a bit of water so it'd get soft (and it'd trick him into staying hydrated, too). It's great for picky eaters and elderly pets!
I've just returned to Lemmy after a while so I'm OOTL. Can anyone give me a gist of what happened with the recent vegan drama on here? Or maybe link to a post I can read?
The company Wild Life claims to have created a nutritionally complete vegan cat food, even though it's common knowledge that cats need meat proteins and nutrients in their regular diet.
Proteins are just amino acids. You can find the same proteins in plant foods as meat. There are other details about what different types of basic foods contain, of course, but it’s theoretically possible to create something that contains all the same nutrients as meat out of plants.
I was going to ask WTF… but they like everything I feed them. (Cats) Hard food by an independent company that is no carb all protein. (Edit, young again pet food, my older cat had diabetes until I started this food, now he doesn’t!)
Seafood Reveal cans, all pure fish. And not sure what’s in Friskies Temptations… but they want those like it’s crack.
I tried peanut butter biscuits for dogs once. Needless to say, dogs are getting ripped off. Tastes nothing like peanut butter.
As a kid, think toddler, my parents said I used to eat the dry dog food with the dog. Not like a lot, but a bite sometimes. They said the dog would give me weird looks as I’d take a bite.
I don't doubt you a bit, I tasted one of those when I was a kid. Totally edible. A bit bland to me, but edible.
But that was a different brand apparently. I'm not sure what brand the recent dog biscuit treats was, as they were donated in a Ziploc bag by a friend, but those tasted like chemical hell.
Our friend didn't mean anything wrong, he was just trying to help, but those particular treats ended up tossed in the trash. Honestly I don't think the ants would even eat those things.
Edit: The old ones that actually tasted edible were all tan in color, but these new chemical infused ones were all colored red or green. Something just wasn't right with those.
i worked at an animal hospital for a few years in my 20s (late 90s). I was also broke af punk kid living in a filthy punk rock house, barely able to afford my part of rent. So i'd bring home the pet food sometimes. It wasn't really inventoried, and it's nutrition. Do not recommend though, its a great way to get a bacterial gut infection since pet food regulations are very minimal.
it ranges. some cat food is indistinguishable from canned tuna. the science diet I/D canine prescription tastes exactly like canned corned beef hash. the cheap stuff (kibbles&bits, fancy feast, etc) tastes exactly like you'd expect: bone meal, corn starch, and ash slag. cause thats the filler trash the cheap stuff is made of.
generally though, most kibble just tastes like if you soaked grape nuts cereal in beef broth, and most wet food tastes about the same as canned horse. which is unpleasant.
I've eaten cat biscuits. They don't taste offensive, but there's nothing in them for me to enjoy. Even so, they're the one thing all my cats agree is worth eating.
I tried a piece of kibble when I was a kid, mostly because it bothered my mom and I thought it was funny. It wasn't good, but it wasn't the worst thing I've ever eaten. Most of my dogs have eaten pretty much whatever you offer them, except (of course) my chihuahua. She'd eat buffalo sauce but not a carrot. When she lost all her teeth, she'd eat a flavor of wet food happily for like, a week, and then refuse to touch it ever again, so I don't think it was the food being gross as much as it was her being a picky little shit.
My 13 years older sister gave me a chocolate piece when I was a kid, and asked afterwards if I liked it. I did. She gave me more, and didn't tell me they were dog "chocolates".
Tried one a few years ago - not as good as I remembered, and wouldn't ask for another.
I bought some fancy biscuits for my dogs from a local company. Ingredients are basically oats, cheddar, bacon, rosemary. I could 100% kill this whole bag if my dogs didn’t look so devastated when I ate their special treats.
Oddly enough, besides meat, my dogs favorite food is kibble. Dry kibble. It took me years to train him to wait for his food... Hes much better now but he still swallows everything whole. And he loves it so much my husband uses his normal food as treats while I still try to get him that higher level rewards (I.e. cheese, nicer treats, etc).
Also, he doesn't like wet or "fresh" dog food 🤷♀️
I do concur with everyone on this thread though that our dogs taste buds are significantly different than ours. Ive tried a few and it doesn't matter what I like. Dogs are different
I was tricked into eating dog biscuits when I was a little kid. Tasted like ash more than anything else. But dogs like vomit too, so our tastes are not very similar.
I got some “human grade” dog treats that are little sliced sausages and they smell delicious. Like actual edible salami. Haven’t tried them yet but I’m tempted to.
My brother ate a Snausage for the low low price of one US dollar. There was a whole negotiation process beforehand (Snausage, milk bone, kennel ration biscuit and dog chow were all on the table). He had regrets. I'll admit that I drove a hard bargain, but he was old enough to know better.
For myself? No. Some of my cats' shredded chicken in "gravy" looks and smells OK. Still no.
The veterinary sales rep I used to work with said, "their taste buds are very different from ours." I'll trust him
I have tasted the "gravy" in the wet food. Not disgusting, but definitely not interested in trying it again. When I worked at a pet store one of those birthday biscuits came in broken so my manager has written it off. He offered me to try a piece and those were honestly not bad. A less sweet cookie basically.
I've tasted the dried crickets and mealworms that I feed to my gerbils. Infact, just today I got an intrusive thought about tasting one of the pellets I'm feeding them too. I didn't but maybe I should.
I used to hitchhike, and one day, got a ride with a trucker hauling blackened animal organs to be turned into pet food (they were blackened as a mark to show they were unfit for human consumption at the place where they were mass harvested). It was the worst smell I've ever smelled in my entire life. I remember gagging for a few minutes as the driver laughed and told me what the deal was.
Still not the worst road story I have lol.
But be aware of what your pet's food is made from. Or make your own, if you're worried about it!
There's typically warning against eating pet food on the bags for that very reason.
I haven't eaten their kibble, but I certainly know it can't taste as good as the food I cook for them myself (which is basically a shepherd's pie and I have eaten a bowl of it when I had nothing else to eat for myself). I might have tried cat kibble as a kid but I don't remember what it tasted like.
I've also tried jerky made for dogs and it wasn't half bad. Not quite a slim Jim but it wasn't disgusting.
I've tried FreshPet or whatever the hell it's called; that refrigerated chub of "fresh" dog food some places sell. It's like an inferior version of the stew I make for them.
My mom used to own a grooming shop, and sold jerky for dogs. Two of the groomers there preferred it over jerky for humans, and would routinely be found snacking on it. I've tried it, it's basically just jerky without the pepper. I like the pepper, so I prefer regular jerky. Lol.
We also make our own dog food, though, and it's basically rice veggies and turkey (sometimes chicken livers). Which is, honestly, something I would totally go to town on, if it were just seasoned a little better
We also make our own dog food, though, and it's basically rice veggies and turkey (sometimes chicken livers). Which is, honestly, something I would totally go to town on, if it were just seasoned a little better
Exactly what I make for mine, though instead of livers I'll give them some salmon like once a month.
Regarding pets that eat insects, at least you know they're not some chemical processed garbage. No need to be curious what that tastes like, nor would I expect you to, you know it's natural.
I've tasted a couple of cookies/treats. Milkbones, stuff from 3 dog bakery and what not. Milkbones have no flavor that I can discern. The boutique dog cookie was fine, I can see how a dog would get down on it.
Yep, tasted pretty much every type of kibble and some snacks my dog gets. But it's all plant based so I am not worried about meat getting bad or the like.
Some of the snacks are ok but I noticed that they always smell way more intensive than they taste. Kind of the opposite of human food.
Understandable. I'm not suggesting everyone just go out and eat their pet's food, but if my pet refuses to eat a particular food, I find myself curious why?
If my dog or cat refuses to eat it, and I can't even swallow a small bite myself, there's gotta be something seriously wrong with it.