Climate scientists flee Twitter [to Mastodon] as hostility surges
Climate scientists flee Twitter [to Mastodon] as hostility surges
EDIT: I didn't notice in the original post, the article is from 2023
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/19707239
Researchers have documented an explosion of hate and misinformation on Twitter since the Tesla billionaire took over in October 2022 -- and now experts say communicating about climate science on the social network on which many of them rely is getting harder.
Policies aimed at curbing the deadly effects of climate change are accelerating, prompting a rise in what experts identify as organised resistance by opponents of climate reform.
Peter Gleick, a climate and water specialist with nearly 99,000 followers, announced on May 21 he would no longer post on the platform because it was amplifying racism and sexism.
While he is accustomed to "offensive, personal, ad hominem attacks, up to and including direct physical threats", he told AFP, "in the past few months, since the takeover and changes at Twitter, the amount, vituperativeness, and intensity of abuse has skyrocketed".
I have no clue why all these normal, non-racist non-political people still use twitter. It was bought for the obvious purpose of providing a safe space for conservatives, racists, incels, and other outcasts to society. Mastodon is a perfect replacement for it, and you can pick an instance that suits you. It isn't owned by a mentally unstable billionaire!
I agree with this assessment for the most part but one side of me plays devil’s advocate on this:
I sort of came to realize in the end that it was possibly purchased to push all leftists off the platform, allowing Musk to compete with Google and Facebook in heavily manipulating and censoring discourse in American society (and let’s be clear, they did. Just because it was an attempt to help “the good guys in the DNC” by Google and Facebook doesn’t make it not an open and shut case of treasonous manipulation of discourse.
As an absolutely prolific Twitter user pre-2016, I was very quick to leave….but at the same time, I eventually came to the sad conclusion that Xitter (pronounced Shitter) actually does need leftist voices as long as it exists. IMO, it (and Google and Facebook) should be dissolved, open sourced, decentralized, and socialized for the crime of treason/undermining democracy.
We (people of the fediverse with a strong sense of integrity) basically fled to our own decentralized, open source platform where we have 1 millionth of the reach with our voices. Being around such a cesspool where astroturfers working for Progressive think tanks and their conservative buddies would gaslight me about the popularity of things like Single Payer or student loan reform…which was not great for my well-being…But let’s not pretend that leftists that remain on the platform are bad people for doing so. An echo chamber has a way of brainwashing people. So, conservatism would be even stronger had more of our brethren not stayed.
Just a small counterpoint. I strongly dislike conservatism and the conservative ethos of “fuck you, got mine”…but perhaps they were playing 4D chess with us a bit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect
Twitter hasn't dropped below the critical mass of users necessary for the system to become useless. It's still a major artery of media and social commerce, just one that's been littered with landmines. Yes, its far more dangerous and difficult to navigate now, but its still better than posting into the uninhabited wilderness that is Bluesky or the exact same basket of shitty engagement posts that is Threads.
Is it actually better than nothing though?
Either these are tolerant folks or someone we might be better off if they stayed on 4twitter.
It's still usable if you're not on English side of Twitter.
For example, recent Indonesian political movement relied on Twitter for discussion and updates. Mastodon or any fediverse is simply too niche and most people don't have money to fund local general instance. There were several local fedi instance (Mastodon and Lemmy), but all of them quickly dead for low donation.
Japanese-side is still alive (in positive manner) but people are making backup account on Bluesky and Japanese Misskey instances.
The otherwise sensible people I know who are still on Twitter all say it's because of a specific interest or group, and the community of people around it who are all on there as well. They all hate what it's become but put up with it because nobody is sure where else to go.
There's also a sense of FOMO when it comes to realtime news updates. Until government, news media, and personalities go somewhere and take all their followers with them, it will be hard to break away.
Idk either. But it’s really easy to stay where you’re used to, rather than do the work to set something new up
Very true, but at the same time I feel that it's a place where I won't get censored just because google randomly thought my comment was offensive
People get censored on Twitter all the time.
Reality: you can stop fascism by deleting the app
Everyone: doesn’t
Oh, i didnt know this was like IT. i'll tell my russians friends just to ignore putin's regime
We should as a community ensure Twitter\X lives forever..
If only as a place to keep certain social media users “entertained”
In all seriousness it does concern me how often I see such a wide variety of news agencies quote Twitter considering the amount of hate that goes on there
The irony of climate scientists ignoring a problem and waiting until it's far to late to do something is honestly pretty funny..
At this point it's wholly on you if you're still using twitter.
You'd think smart people like science nerds would have left the Nazi bar ages ago.
That first line is so spot on. Brightened up my day
It's because the news media industry as a whole has stuck with Twitter as their primary social media site. It's kinda hilarious how much they seem to like it and how much time they spend there.
That's dangerous. Look at what Fox is doing, as an entertainment company, to US politics across the country.
Disastrous, even
Your comment reminds me of that great tune by Pink Floyd.
Considering Meta is doubling down on disinformation, more people should go to Mastodon and Bsky over Threads or Twitter.
Hell no, fuck Bluesky. There is no reason not to adopt ActivityPub when trying to build an open, federated Twitter alternative. Except for power and control over the platform, its core protocol and ecosystem. Screw these guys, use Mastodon or anything on the Fediverse.
X needs to start getting banned by governments and official governmental channels need to be moving out.
X is such a shitty social network, or at least its really disorganized, I get porn and gore in my home page without following people who share that kind of content, That doesn't happen even in 4chan
Wow 4chan really changed huh
The bit in the square brackets in the title was mine, because that's what I went into the article to look for. If you're on Mastodon and interested in that content:
The text from the article:
Glaciologist Ruth Mottram had more than 10,000 followers on Twitter but left in February and joined an alternative scientists' forum powered by Mastodon -– a crowdfunded, decentralised grouping of social networks founded in 2016.
"It's really been a revelation in many ways. It's a much quieter and more thoughtful platform," she told AFP.
On Mastodon, "I haven't had any abuse at all or even people questioning climate change. I think we'd become far too used to it on Twitter... I had blocked loads of accounts over on the birdsite (Twitter)," she said.
I gave her a follow. She seems like a nice lady. I hope she enjoys the fediverse a little more than the "nether world"
Is there a list of all scientists that made the move to Masto?
Ruth is a very kind person, her posts are amazing!
I already accepted we’re already dead because oil & gas companies figured how to use doubt and false science to create a confusion among the general public (aided by the mass conservative Murdoch /Boloré media lol)…
It’s like tobacco companies in the 50s but we can’t afford so many years to wake the fuck up.
Yeah. I've been mourning the loss of Earth's future for some time now. It's very sad.
That said, we are not in a simple binary fucked vs fine situation. It's a sliding scale. So even though things are very bad, we can always still take action to make them less bad. That is never not an option.
Smoking companies still are with vaping (vaping companies literally sell to kids over the Internet and people literally are arguing it's safe and healthy)
Which unfortunately shows that people don't learn
Aaaaah i don’t want to be right :((
The dumb masses always eventually follow the smart people. Reddit was full of mostly smart people in the beginning, if you can believe that.
And this is why I'm perfectly happy with Lemmy being the size that it is. There certainly are trade-offs - I wish niche communities were bigger - but is it worth bringing in all the other crap that comes in, like all the shit you see on Twitter? No, in my opinion.
I remember that /r/all was actually pretty educational back in the day. There were specific users that you would know by their user names that always posted something insightful.
The decline started somewhere around 2011-2013.
It got much, much worse a few years after that. I was amazed to see my first “conservative” on reddit.
Oh, that's when I first saw that place. Left surprised that there are still normal forums in the interwebs.
isn't that why the hippie movement ended?
The Franklin Standards need to be on everyone’s radar. They don’t want your kids to learn about climate change.
Explain how and why Earth’s climate changes over time.
Climate changes continually at all time scales and Earth’s climate has never remained constant.
The Earth's climate has varied greatly between glacial advances and retreats that correlate with cyclical oscillations in Earth's orbit around the Sun (Milankovitch Cycles, precession).
In addition to being affected by the climate, the biosphere also has a significant effect on the climate, including self-regulation and resiliency (carbon-oxygen cycle, hydrological cycle).
Humans are just one of the many influences on Earth’s climate (urban heat island effect, wetland drainage, deforestation, agriculture).
Computer models of climate are simplified simulations of the real world, and make prognostications that are inherently uncertain.
Global weather forecast models (short term) and climate models (long term) are quite different in their design, their strengths, weaknesses, value, limitations, and uncertainties.
The wording is subtle, but you can see how they are attacking the idea of anthropogenic climate change. (There’s similar fuckery with evolution and some subtle anti-trans stuff.) Oil and gas companies have a lot of money and can afford a lot of propaganda. No states have adopted these standards yet - we think Florida and Texas will go first, then Oklahoma will follow. But this information warfare.
Humans are just one of the many influences on Earth's climate
Proceeds to list a bunch of other things that are the fault of humans.
Thanks for pointing this out. The level of misguidedness is painful.
It’s frustrating, because you can tell they spent a lot of time making the words weaselly enough. The one about climate models especially enrages me, because yeah, they’re predictive tools with limitations (which I’ve discussed with students when I’ve taught with climate sims). But I know my old department head (who used to compliment kiddos for forgoing masks in 2020) is going to have those “uncertainties” do a lot of work.
That's great news. Looking forward to having more climate scientists on Mastodon.
Hell, I would like to have ANYONE on Mastodon. It feels so dead.
Does it?
My Mastodon feed is more alive than my twitter feed used to be years before its demise. And also in my native language, if I were to follow english speaking people I'd be overwhelmed.
The trick is not to rely to much on the instance local feed and start following people from every instance.
Start following hashtags of things you're interested in. And interact with people in those threads.
Never understood why nobody calls him an "american oligarch"
Oligarchs are only for the rich outside of the Thirteen Eyes. American oligarchs are called lobbyists and job creators.
I mean, he's actively supporting the opposition (Trump) right now. Were Trump to win then he'd certainly be in a very good position within Trump's desired oligarchy. Until then he's just a very rich asshole whose main major concrete political power comes from his ownership of Twitter and (largely artificial) audience. If anything his support of Trump kneecaps him in his ability to run his businesses as the Biden and hypothetical Harris administrations are not as likely to let him keep getting away with all the blatantly illegal shit he keeps doing.
Michael Bloomberg OTOH fits the term pretty well, as he's a very major donor to the DNC and that certainly makes him very close to the ear of the president and policy decisions.
That was a year ago.
I am on Mastodon for 5 years now (fuck it is really 5 years since August 2019, what the hell) and just can't get into it. It just feels lonely over there. What am I doing wrong?
Tbh, I think it is the post statistics thing. It says "1 reply", then I click at ot and it has 4 replies and it ALWAYS says "0 favorites" even when 10 people comment how great that post was.
The statistics thing is a downside of how Mastodon implements ActivityPub.
Two possibilites:
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I think you can simply hide the counts if it irritates you.
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You can install Fedifetcher to pull in missing interactions to your local server: https://github.com/nanos/FediFetcher
I'll have a look at that fetcher thing. Thx.
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Twitter's format feels a bit like yelling into the void and waiting for replies...you may luck out and get some engagement from a hub or a small subgraph of the network. Mastodon makes that stronger by removing the algorithm (I'd like there to be a user-customizable feed sort algo by an array of parameters, not sure what the technical limitations to that are: processing, security?)
Comment trees feel better (to me at least), because there is a hierarchical origin, a native indexing by topic>post>comment>countercomment...it sort of resembles how we relate with the world or navigate maps.
What sort of stuff do you like? Maybe some folks can make some good recommendations to jump-start a more interesting experience.
Recommendations and boosts from other users are how I've discovered interesting people there, and at this point, my feed feels just as full as my old twitter feed.
If you like news, a lot of breaking news is happening on Mastodon much more accurately and faster than on Twitter. There are a LOT of publications on there now, here are a few off the top of my head:
- Polygon (@[email protected])
- The Conversation (@[email protected])
- The Intercept (@[email protected])
- Voice of America (@[email protected])
- Ars Technica (@[email protected])
- Semafor (@[email protected])
- Kotaku (@[email protected])
- The Christian Science Monitor (@[email protected])
- Fast Company (@[email protected])
- The 19th (@[email protected])
- Vox (@[email protected])
There are a lot more local news sources too, so depending on where you live, you can probably follow news for your specific area. The account @[email protected] regularly bundles up follow suggestions for different regions, interests, and topics. If you go that account and search for a hashtag (i.e., #texas) you'll get a lot of active and high-quality local accounts to follow.
For me, it was the interface. I found it rough around the edges and not as inviting as Twitter used to be. I know it's seen as superficial but UX/UI is important.
Like, for example, to create a post or reply, the input was on the left navigation panel for some reason. I used to have trouble visually separating one post from the next in my head until I got used to it. Also, the way thread comments were nested could've been improved. And why did it only show me the top 5 trending news stories? Why couldn't I browse more? Idk, overall I felt like I was fighting the UI mentally.
I think Lemmy did a better job subtly improving on the details. I didn't see Mastodon doing that much when I was on there.
What platform are you on? There are lots of alternative apps for both iOS and Android, and they can be customized beyond the defaults as well. I primarily use Moshidon on Android, and it's great.
Did you use Twitter much before then? Some people just don't like the format. I use it to get updates on some things, but I don't use it as much as Lemmy (or Reddit before that).
If you did use Twitter, perhaps the content you followed back then still didn't make its way to Mastodon (or it went to bluesky/threads?)
Last thing you could try is following more people. I find that fediverse platforms need you to seek out content more actively, while old profit driven social media platforms were constantly seeking engagement. On top of that there just isn't as much content on any of the new platforms compared to the older ones.
That all being said, the quality of the content is equal or better every time
4chan—>8chan—>Xchan?
Light speed -> ridiculous speed -> ludicrous speed
"They've gone to plaid!"
The size of Twitter’s user base and its ubiquitous use by celebrities and the media gave the platform an air of legitimacy that is what Musk vaporized his billions to get. He obviously didn’t value the brand or the workforce.
We need that false sense of legitimacy to keep getting chipped away in the eyes of mainstream society.
Honestly not sure why anybody gives two fucks about celebrities anyways, some are okay but the underground scene has the realist people, because they live in the real world. Seeing through the illusions that what people think or believe in regards to some highly regarded opinions because somebody is popular due to 'pop culture' is a blessing. I say let Elon Musk have them. I'm not going to read it. Only twitter I read is the twitter cross-post spam of screenshots people post.
Zuckerberg telling us all what we already knew about being pressured to censor COVID, Hunter Biden, and whatever other posts goes to show left is evil, right is swinging around monkey bars like school children. Social media is a giant playground where everybody's being swayed by their emotions and being tricked and lead around likes horses.
It's crazy.
At least Elon's having fun with it all.
If we can't abandon Obvious Disaster Twitter we definitely can't abandon the obvious disaster that is everything we think of as normal that's driving civilization off a cliff.
You can find utterly vile replies from blue checks on that site now, even on the most heavenly, innocent, morally correct tweet. It's insane.
Ever since Nitter died I haven't paid any attention to anything on musks' little fiefdom at all.
I wish the political economics guys would move... I really miss Tim Sahay/70sbachchan & Mark Blyth.
Nitter died? I've been using it days ago. It's not as before the Twitter's API restrictions, tho, because it started to using data scrapping to fetch Twitter profiles and posts.
https://github.com/zedeus/nitter
It appears to have ceased development. AFAIK it still works if hooked into a "valid" user account, but since I don't have one and am increasingly less likely to consider that path, it's a moot point.
Ah Twitter. Nearing its evolution as the internet’s premier perpetually-full septic tank.
I just wish there were a way to preserve these records in a format with enough longevity to survive until the next sapient species evolves after we destroy ourselves and the human habitability of the planet for a couple million years.
They could use the warning against indulging greed and willful ignorance, and we deserve to have others laughing at our species' expense through time. We inherited paradise just to set it on fire eyes wide open. It's an extremely low bar, but I hope the next global apex predator chooses to do better.
We're currently rhyming with history from less than 100 years ago (the rise of fascism), I don't think having a warning is enough to prevent it from happening again.
Huh... "vituperative", I like it.
I think this is going to happen more and more. As the delta semi-morons continue to erode civilization we are just going to "take our ball and go home" so to speak. We can science, tech, and culture around them and they will eventually be left out in their echo chamber desert fighting each other over the last minions meme scraps.
There is
they will eventually be left out in their echo chamber desert fighting each other
that here too.
But I agree that not feeding platforms profiting from conflict is the ultimate solution.
The same Peter Gleick caught on forging documents to prove his point
I don't even know who this guy is, but your screenshot plus a quick search says this guy added one forged document to a collection of legitimate documents released from the Heartland Institute. That was certainly not the right thing to do, but let's at least be fully honest about it.
Exactly, the title is as at least misleading. They mention only one scientist with not that Cristal clear reputation. X is wild west of astroturfing but at least it's better to be honest
Among the sad stories about climate scientists having to deal with misinformation and abuse on the regular, suddenly, a unicorn: a statement purportedly by Musk that I wholeheartedly agree with:
Musk wrote in January: "People on the right should see more 'left-wing' stuff and people on the left should see more 'right-wing' stuff. But you can just block it if you want to stay in an echo chamber."
Of course with the average Xitter post becoming ever more toxic, most people that have anything of value to add will probably leave sooner or later, whether lefties or righties or whatever.
When I still used Twitter, I followed people and that was the only content I wanted to read. I didn't care about content from people I wasn't following.
That's why I'm now on Masto. No algorithm to decide that I should also get the very much not valuable opinions of xXx_nOnwoke_1488 in my timeline.
“Both sides”.