The new poll sharply undercuts President Biden's post-debate claim that “average Democrats” are still with him.
Nearly two-thirds of Democrats say President Joe Biden should withdraw from the presidential race and let his party nominate a different candidate, according to a new poll, sharply undercutting his post-debate claim that “average Democrats” are still with him even if some “big names” are turning on him.
The new survey by the AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, conducted as Biden works to salvage his candidacy two weeks after his debate flop, also found that only about 3 in 10 Democrats are extremely or very confident that he has the mental capability to serve effectively as president, down slightly from 40% in an AP-NORC poll in February.
The findings underscore the challenges the 81-year-old president faces as he tries to silence calls from within his own party to leave the race and tries to convince Democrats that he’s the best candidate to defeat Donald Trump. The poll was conducted mostly before Saturday’s assassination attempt on Trump at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania. It’s unclear whether the shooting influenced people’s views of Biden, but the small number of poll interviews completed after the shooting provided no early indication that his prospects improved.
They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else.
Don't get me wrong, biden's administration has done amazing work. We are just so focused on the stupid horse race that we're not actually picking a leader.
The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn't a raging narcissist. He has surrounded himself with competent people who are quietly doing a great job of running the government.
They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else
Nope.
We wanted fair and open primaries were progressive leaning states didn't have their delegates stolen and every state gets a chance to vote before it's over rather than 4-5 states handpicked by the DNC because they vote moderate.
That increases turnout in the general.
What happened was undemocratic and depresses turnout helping Republicans
The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn’t a raging narcissist
If Biden wasn't a narcissist he'd put the safety of the country over his own ambition to stay in the White House after it took 36 years to get the big chair.
I don't want him or Harris, but I'd still vote "for" him even if he were in hospice simply because he's not the fascist candidate who wants to completely dismantle democracy.
Building the case in a world where political marketing machines create the narrative in half a day's time and spread it through all the corporate channels.
They're likely accurate. Anecdotal, but many of my very liberal friends have lost confidence in Biden's ability to lead the Dems to victory, and many people I know who are 'swing voters' are convinced that Biden is senile. That's not getting into the conservatives I know, who I would not regard as having relevant opinions. Furthermore, a number of sitting congressmembers of his own party have expressed that he should step down - which alone is a ruinous and public expression of a loss of confidence at the highest levels for Biden to win the campaign. It's a millstone around his campaign's neck, and even winning them back won't remove it - the only thing that he can do to remove that weight from the Dem ticket is by stepping down himself.
I genuinely think a change this close to the election would be a terrible mistake. We need Joe now because he refused to step down for too long and the DNC refused to nominate someone else anyway. We're committed
This close? The democratic convention hasn't even happened yet. There's still months to the election proper. Both France and the UK just held elections wherein the entire cycle lasted less than the time we have until election day still. And they had higher voter turnout than the US typically has.
Time is not the problem here. We do not need Biden. There are better candidates.
In my dream world, Biden is currently refusing to step down because he wants the RNC to focus on him, but he will hand the torch to Kamala in the next week or so before it is too late to change any ballots (Ohio and such).
And this is the difference between democrats and republicans. Even after getting his ass impeached twice, inciting insurrection, getting convicted for rape and felonies - voters and his party are firmly behind Trump.
Whereas Biden must step aside because he stuttered during debate. A lot of people - including those demanding peace in Ukraine and Middle East - are in for a solid pikachu face when they help elect literal Nazi because of these fucking purity tests
Yeah. It’s a genuinely pathetic trait for Democratic voters. Republicans think it’s hilarious and weak, and they’re correct. It is. It makes Democratic voters incredibly easy to troll and manipulate with rumor mills such as this thread.
I get ya and im not looking for biden to drop but I likely would not like the democrats as much if they did not resign way easier (franken) and question their members less critically. That being said it can be quite annoying as well.
This poll is irrelevant. Great for generating sensational articles, sure, but this question doesn't matter. There's only one poll question that means anything at this point:
If the 2024 US presidential election were held today, would you cast your vote for Joe Biden or Donald Trump?
Beating trump is more important than Joe Biden being president.
Especially when most of his time in office he wouldn't stop talking about how powerless he is as president and how if anyone thought he could accomplish anything it just meant they're ignorant.
So like, what's the benefit of insisting it's Biden when he's not who voters want?
It just seems like a terrible risk for zero gain.
If what matters is the House and Senate, then we need a charismatic presidential candidate who helps Dems down ballot.
Doesn’t matter. Only thing that matters is to win enough mindfucked undecideds in a few states. You must accept the reality that in our perverted system, substance is but one factor, and often ancillary to showmanship. Politics is not an intellectual endeavor. It’s mainly bullshit. That’s why trump is winning.
Actually, he accomplished quite a lot without having control of Congress and 6-3 activist SCOTUS.
And no, Manchin and Sinema didn't give Democrats control of the Senate in 2021-2022 and changed parties since then.
Trump's only success with full control of Congress was to pass the horrible tax bill.
Biden's also extremely successful on the foreign policy. Not only he reunited NATO (Putin attacked Ukraine, because he was convinced there's no way he can do it), but also got two additional members to join, who historically were neutral.
Biden's major weakness is that he doesn't broadcast his successes well and media doesn't do that either for him. The only time he successfully did mention his accomplishments was during state of the union.
And no, Manchin and Sinema didn’t give Democrats control of the Senate in 2021-2022 and changed parties since then.
You forget that in the 2020 election no one thought we'd get the Senate and all of his campaign promises were made under the assumption that it would be a Republican majority Senate he'd have to get stuff thru.
That's what Biden signed up for.
Having less Republicans in the Senate wouldn't make that harder.
So unless your argument is Biden lied from day one, I don't see how what you're saying makes anything better.
Or why there's any benefit to Biden over anyone else.
What point are you trying to make for why keeping Biden is a good idea?
He needs to step down. He did much better work as president than many of his critics give him credit for, and his initial decision to run again, while in hindsight fucking ruinous, was operating off of conventional political wisdom. What he needs to do now is recognize that he's lost the confidence of the party and the electorate, and step down, regardless of what he thinks about the sharpness of his faculties.
Can't wait to hear why this poll doesn't matter but the one that said everyone else does the same or worse does matter. Don't let me down lemmy centrists.
The fact that Trump has seriously turned down the noise against Biden since the calls for him to step down should let you know who he wants to face in the polls.
They didnt "turn down the noise" to keep him in the race. They just let the media run with the bone that helped them and had their surrogates attack.
You had speaker johnson saying biden was senile because he needed teleprompters. Meanwhile, days later Mikes teleprompter breaks at the RNC and he just trails off into nothing, stands around awkwardly and walks off. Sounds like the 50s something Johnson is pretty senile, huh?
You got Trump dozing off while sitting at the RNC, but nah, its old sleepy Joe, isnt it? The dude that had "executive time" penciled in everyday till 11am while he was in the Whitehouse and spent 1/3rd of his days as president golfing talking about someone else napping on the job.
Come the fuck on with this. Conflict drives page views, so the media leaned into an easy one that the Trump campaign helped push whole hog.
Gee, let's see, a fascist who has guaranteed us dictatorial retribution, or Biden who has done a decent job despite an uncooperative congress and judiciary. Decisions, decisions. SMH.
I can tell you who of those two that I think will win the swing states in November, but you'd probably interpret this as political opppsition rather than resignation to the fate that the parties have already chosen for us.
Bullshit. I haven't spoken to a single person who wants Biden to withdraw. Everybody I've spoken to wishes he could, but everybody acknowledges that he's our best last hope.
A poll is not inherently reliable because it's a poll. Describe to me why it's reliable and maybe I'll give a shit. But right now it's just my anecdote versus theirs.
What do you mean conversely? I clearly stated that everybody I've spoken to would wish they had somebody better to vote for. Nobody wants to vote for Biden, but they will because it's their best option. Wanting to vote for Biden and acknowledging that Biden is the best option currently available are not two mutually exclusive things.
Ain't no way I'm betting money on the black woman who put away people for weed against the 80 year old white guy who's forgiving student loan debt right now. Yes, we have to choose between a shit sandwich and a douche. But in this situation, the douche is trying to bring about fascism and the shit sandwich is A little forgetful with names, but has been undeniably killing it with progressive policies.