New German citizens required to affirm Israel's right to exist

I didn't say it's a random state, I said it was a particular one. It is one particular expression of Jewishness, when others also exist. Precisely because of the history of Germany, the German state has no business whatsoever to play arbiter about which version of Jewishness is the most authentic.

By that logic the creation of israel was a genocidal act in itself because it created a right for a people to eist where others were existing previously.

If removing the right to exist of the Palestinian people is perfectly acceptable why is it necessary to keep chanting support for the rights of the aggressor?

Israeli jews have the right to life, freedom, safety. They have the right to a home in the Holy Lands.

They don't have the right to set up a Jewish supremacist apartheid state to deny the same rights to everyone else.

The state that they have created and entrenched with genocide and "facts on the ground" no longer has legitimacy to exist in its present form. Because of its entrenchment I don't see how it can be reformed.

So instead, ending this political entity to establish a new democratic one seems to be the surest way out of this mess.

This is not a call for genocide by any stretch of imagination.

Israel is not the people. The people can continue to exist under different countries and governments.

It isnt. No settler state has a right to exist, the settlers already there should integrate into the indigenous culture or leave. This includes the US, Canada, Australia and so on.

Germany doesn't recognize Palestine's right to exist. It's only fair Germany gets deported

Is the antisemitism in the room with us right now?

Cause it seems an awful lot to me like y'all are just calling anyone protesting what Israel is doing to Palestine antisemitic.

The antisemitism is the linking of a specific nation state and its disgusting actions to an entire ethnicity even when members of that ethnicity very overtly and explicitly disavow that link.

Germany's actions have all the hallmarks of German "tradition": assuming that Jews are all the same, telling Jews what Jewishness is, implying there are good Jews (who follow Germany's definition of Jewishness) and bad Jews (who don't).

Clearly Nazi thinking was never eliminated amongst the German elites, it just got its lists of "good races" and "bad races" updated.

This is like a serial-killer, becoming a lawyer and fighting against death-penalty of other serial-killers.

The perfect time for German Nazis to use Jews as a shield for israel to commit Genocide?

Maintaining that an Apartheid state has the right to keep being an Apartheid state is very Nazi-like.

If you have 11 people and a Nazi at a dinner party, you have 12 Nazis.

The historical Nazi Germany was actually quite supportive of zionist efforts and interestingly the reverse was also true for some time before the holocaust got into full swing.

Answering this question would have impact on my ability to acquire German citizenship.

the thing is, why the fuck do I have to answer questions about Israel, China, Uganda, or Madagascar or any country, other than Germany, when applying for a German citizenship? That's absurd!

To be fair, they've been speed running the country checklist of "really shouldn't have a right to exist" they've done more to convince me that Zionism is a plague on our species than anyone else. The whole genocide is happening because of the idea of Israel so yes, if it goes away then that's a first step.

Found the nazi

No. Germany can recognize Jewish lives and the worldwide Jewish community without needing to play into the hands of a rightwing apartheid state and getting involved smack in the middle of their political dispute. This isn’t hard; it’s like being able to say Black Lives Matter without having to support and endorse the controversial policies of Louis Farrakhan.

Why add this to te immigration screeming process while they are actively committing war crimes, stealing land and murdering kids?

germany has managed to land on te wrong side of history twice in the same conversation.

Blindly standing with a group becuase germany feels they have given their own atrocious history.

If "their right to exist" weren't used to mean "their right to take land from Palestinians and create settlements in land they took through violence" it would be a bit simpler to agree with the statement, but the foundation of Israel itself has always been on pretty shakey ground. The only reason Israel has a right to exist is because it's impractical that they'd leave at this point. They should leave the land they've stolen though.

our history with israel is the third reich and israel having friendly relations. We are continuing nazi tradition by supporting israel.

Granting Israelis the right to Lebensraum.

I'm not sure what country you are from, but as someone whose vote literally is counted before I even see a ballot, let me tell you, please vote or at least do something. If you don't like the way politics in your country work, go out and demonstrate. Take it to the streets. Talk to your neighbors, make leaflets. But please don't just go bitter and sit in your corner because everything is shit anyways. Because this is how we ended up with a lot of the messes we are having now. I "voted" for the first time this year in a rigged election and before that I also always thought the way you do. Democracy is dead, why bother, my vote doesn't count anyway. But once I stood in this fucking line and smuggled in a non erasable pen and voted and went out knowing no one will even look at this ballot something changed.

In Germany, you can't currently deport anyone just for expressing extremist views. However, recently there were demonstrations in Hamburg where about 1,000 people marched to advocate for a caliphate and Sharia law in Germany, which led to a public debate about exactly this. However, this isn't about Palestine but about anti-constitutional extremism. Some state interior ministers are now advocating to explicitly outlaw this kind of islamist extremism, potentially paving the way for easier deportations for those advocating for a caliphate in Germany. Here's a german article on the topic.

the phrase “from the river to the sea” is not illegal praise of terrorism in Germany, even if you may have heard so from your equally misinformed bubble

Oh yeah, my misinformed bubble, the official government press conferences: https://youtu.be/lBmDdNZmToU?si=rsLM5CyTSjEFxBTI&t=353

Or DW https://www.dw.com/en/german-cabinet-backs-deportations-for-praise-of-terrorism/a-69480819

I've seen people (including jews) getting fined for hate speech for an instagram story containing just "from the river to the sea palestine will be free" From now on, that will also come with a deportation.

The highly esteemed german courts will have the freedom to decide what fits into which context. A social media like will land you in court. Saying that hamas committed terrorist acts but also that it is a resistance movement spawned out of the oppression will also land you in a court because any nuanced discussion is too much for the german intellect and instantly means "pRaIsInG tErRoRiSm".

I can't wait to see all the neolibs that clapped when the greens and the social democrats passed these laws, when the AfD gets in power here (which will definitely happen sooner or later, following the EU wide far right movements) and when they decide to reinterpret those "contexts" their highly esteemed german courts like to discuss so much. I'm sure this draconian stuff won't backfire. But hell, who cares, it's only Ausländer getting the short end of the stick anyway.

You are very naive if you think that the German authorities would not bend or abuse such laws. If you’re a white German and as such not a victim of the systemic racism prevalent in the institutions of pretty much all European countries, you can’t understand this. Good for you but you’re incredibly privileged to an extent that you don’t seem to grasp based on your reply.

Yes. It’s a Double standard. It was born out of history. Namely the genocide on the Jews by the nationalsocialists.

Germany doesn’t have a special history with Palestine, so they don’t get mentioned.

And yes, I think Germany should recognise a Palestinian state.

Sorry, I don’t understand you. What do you mean?

True. I think it’s more symbolic.

However what I found out discussing with actual nazis: they don’t really like lying about something which is a core identity of them. They like to weasel around it, but hate saying something like: „all human life is equal.“

I think Germany has indeed a deep rooting problem with antisemitism. After all the time that’s concerning.

But no reason letting more into the county, don’t you think?