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I don't have problems in linux

I am the problem in linux

Linux pros: You have control over everything Linux cons: You have control over everything
- That's why immutable distros will bring more Linux users in the future.

Pretty sure that 90% of Linux users don't switch to Windows.

I thought it meant 90% of the ones switching to windows
- That's what I had in mind
I still boot to windows every now and then to play games. But each time windows painfully reminds me why I hate it
- I have never liked Windows. Unix workstations or linux pretty much since the mid 80's. My current pet peeve is companies that block email clients except Outlook from connecting to their mail server (Exchange).

Actually more like a self fulfilling prophesy

IMO many will leave Linux just before finding the fix!

I had tried dual boot but kept going back to windows because i knew how to do things there without having to mess with anything

Its only after i removed windows altogether and only ran Mint, that i was forced to seriously look for solutions. Once you do find them though, you dont need to mess around with anything that much any more

A suggestion for everyone that's kinda new, and to be honest, grizzled vets too... Use chatgpt as a trouble shooting tool. It's really surprising how good it is sometimes. I've had it write bash scripts in minutes, solve obscure Firefox issues, fix game settings for barely compatible games... So many things
- Principally not a bad idea, but run a local model while at it!
"When he reached the New World, Cortezh burned hish ships. Ash a reshult hish men were well motivated." —Capt. Ramius, played by Sean Connery in The Hunt for Red October
It wasn’t until windows shat itself and I couldn’t boot into it anymore that I took my Linux drive more seriously.

This is true, I wanted to play a game and it looked broken in Linux. When I went back to Windows I discovered that it was a problem with the game. Then I went back to Linux and it ran better than it did in Windows.

Typical Ubisoft experience.

I mean, if you duel boot, it's just a matter of time until Windows nukes your other OS. At least with me, my Linux was about to solve world peace, but Windows got wind of that and shut it the fuck down.

Meme is correct, they're coming for you.

I almost wanted to correct you and say its dual not duel, but when I think about it windows will fight to be the only bootloader right when you think its finally behaving.
- Wanted to say the same: the typo made the comment better. There has to be a community for this.
Windows basically never nukes the actual linux install. It DOES like breaking the bootloader though. Which is fixable but still deeply annoying.
- Ah damn this is exactly what happened a few days ago. My popos boot entry suddenly disappeared. I can still just boot from the physical ssd it's installed on, but I found it strange it just pooped out somehow. Any pointers on how to fix it?
Reminded me how Windows would set the hardware clock to different timezone that Linux uses, can't remember which.

It would make my blood boil, that's when I decided to never boot it again. 100% Linux everywhere, I get it on routers when I can.
- Windows sets the hardware clock to local time, Linux sets it to UTC. It's possible to tell one to respect the others preference
I have never had this issue on Mint/Windows duel boot
- yet
- Do you receive windows updates?

If you really want to run Linux : Distro hop

If you are not happy, then try a few more distros.
- Yeah, that's what I i did, first tried Nobara, I liked it but encountered some issues, tried to fix them but I realized I spent too much time and there's no clear fix, so I hoped on Fedora and everything works nicely, exept for the Multimedia drivers which I'm still trying to fix...
- Temple or nothing
I've not distro hopped in ages, ever since I found my one true love arch btw

Every child should be introduced to linux. Will help them understand better they don't need to be treated as products and certainly make them more computer literate, and hopefully more security conscious.

But to be honest, not every child is technologically-inclined. Most are just gonna get annoyed and hate it. This is not a good idea.

I'd have loved it as a child though
- Dude he said “introduced”, not forced to learn it well enough to duel Torvalds on the mailing lists.
- Something like Linux Mint is very easy to use and doesn't require much maintenance. You don't need to reformat every year or two either when Windows inevitably shits itself.

Lol, putting the worst documented distro on the planet on the table is interesting. The majority of people new to linux would switch back to windows within minutes if they had to install and use nixOS.

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NixOS isn't bad but your right it could be explained better.
- In terms of stability and packages, it's an amazing OS. Gone are the days of being afraid that of updates or system upgrades that might leave your system borked. Unless you're experimenting with filesystems and boot parameters, it's not straightforward to fuck things up.
  
  On the flipside, by Linus is it difficult to get things working as a beginner. Good luck packaging new stuff, good luck creating new options, good luck cross-compiling, good luck configuring stuff with hardcoded config paths in /var/ or whatever, actually good luck understanding how to configure existing packages, good luck getting any kind of PR merged without the say-so of a chosen few, good luck changing anything in the community without getting past the gatekeepers, and have fun understanding why some random package is being installed and/or compiled when you switch to a new configuration.
  
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Me delaying the fix to my Linux problems by never switching back to Windows

Arch is cool and all but fixing all the issues every other time you update is a full time job. I can never rely on my system for shit. Sometimes there's actually a wiki page for the issue but in my experience it's usually bugs almost no one else has which means I'm on my own. If you're smart enough for that cool but I've dedicated most of my life to only using Linux and I'm still nowhere close to being able to use Arch without spending too much time troubleshooting issues. I think I'd rather deal with Debian repositories being so out of date half my shit is broken because that way at least I only have to fix it once every year or two instead of every goddamn week.

Arch is not meant to be a daily driver if you're expecting "shit just works" stability long term when you just blindly run updates. You have to understand what you're updating and sometimes why.

It is targeted at the proficient GNU/Linux user, or anyone with a do-it-yourself attitude who is willing to read the documentation, and solve their own problems.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux

If you want to use Arch, you need to invest in snapshots using rsync or dd. Given how it's a rolling release, you should do this weekly. If something fucks up, grab all your logs and put them somewhere safe. Roll back and look at your logs to see what broke. Then apply updates as needed. You can ignore packages for quite a while. If you're not smart enough to understand it now, you may in the future. It takes time and practice.

Debian based is only "out of date" feature wise because they do a package freeze. They ensure stability before release. Updates are largely security related.
- To be fair if you set it up properly, you don't install a ton of stuff from the aur, and you stick to a major desktop like kde or gnome it's stable to the point of being boring.
  
  I've recently switched to hyprland from kde just to have something to mess with or tweak when I feel like it. Sometimes they change the config file for hyprland and I have to fix it but I like it none the less. I used kde for a couple years with zero issues and only just switched desktops using the zx backdoor as an excuse to while my system.
  
  This is coming from an individual that hasn't had an opportunity to switch from an Nvidia card yet.
I generally seem to have had a good experience with Linux Mint. I use the cinnamon version.

Even dist upgrades don't seem to be too much trouble.

I used to main Gentoo but that was a lot of work. I still miss it though, but that was almost 20 years ago, when I was unemployed, and had more free time than money.

I run Windows 10 on my personal laptop and I look at these changes for the sake of change and I am seriously considering wiping it and not just use Linux in a VM.

I've been using nothing but Linux for 5 years and I still have problems every now and then.

But the same can be said with windows. My life long windows user friend occasionally (a few times a year) reaches out about some significant issues they are experiencing with windows on their modern desktop.

I truly wouldn't recommend Linux for a fairly tech illiterate person like him, but really Linux is better in every category that matters to me.
- I truly wouldn't recommend Linux for a fairly tech illiterate person like him
  
  I would actually argue the opposite, linux is way more intuitive for new people who hasn't used a pc before or hasn't used windows long enough to fill their brain with their unconsistent mess. I've seen 3 variants of this already with people close to me ( last one of them encouraged by me). Kinda mind boggling.
You can usually find the solution to Linux problems on the forum for your distro.

With windows problems, the answer is usually "nothing can be done unless microsoft actually decides to fix it". That's after digging through 10 or more pages of search results filled with AI generated crap.
- Yes, and I would like to add that if you really know what you're doing, you can even fix complicated, deep-rooted problems by yourself.
- “nothing can be done unless microsoft actually decides to fix it”
  
  That is just a straight up lie
  
  I haven't encountered a SINGLE issue like that in all my years of IT in heavy Microsoft environments. You can always find a solution, albeit having some small caveats like you have in every open source software. Every single issue is documented somewhere since 80% of desktops run it. The community is just so much bigger. You can even straight up contact Microsoft directly if you encounter anything that hasn't been encountered before.
  
  Don't blame your lack of Google fu on Microsoft just because you don't like their design philosophy.
Found the Microsoft agent.

I actually switched back to Windows a few weeks ago because I was so tired of all the NVIDIA problems I had on Wayland. A few days later I read that explicit sync finally got merged, lol.

I'm definitely planning on switching back to Linux, but I'm not sure if I'll do it before getting a new AMD GPU.

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“Fact: 95% of Linux users switched back to Windows95 right before all their problems are about to be fixed” A.D. 1999

Seriously though a few years ago Microsoft launched their own Linux distributions. You'd think it would be smooth sailing now, no ?

Ok so I am probably gonna curse in the Linux church but please enlighten me

I have one laptop with windows 10 for the simple stuff: internet, movie, ms office. It functions perfectly. Yes it needs a reboot sometimes. I don't understand what people are saying about how terrible ms in regard for easy users.

I mean I get it that it probably using my data, which would be actually enough to change.

However: all these post about how easy it is to fix stuff in Linux (and thus saying it is not working properly)... Keeps me in ms.

What are you guys doing that needs so much tinkering that needs to be fixed constantly?

me?

okay so sometimes you need to run a twenty year old game made for another OS or cpu architecture

which.. weirdly, easier in Linux than win7; Linux has better backward compatibility with windows than windows. was like three clicks to install.

but sometimes that game uses broadcast UDP packets for LAN multiplayer.

and this is where our problem comes from, because broadcast UDP packets are deprecated, and also most modern routers don't love them, I don't think.

so, I needed to find a way to manually readdress outgoing UDP packets from broadcast to a specific set of multicast addresses, which...

also, some issues running USB as serial for some exotic peripherals. and by 'exotic' I mean 'I don't know for sure the PC is the problem; I might have soldered this wrong'.

also some issues in qubes, but that's literally all virtualization, and not a distro for anyone who hasn't both been using Linux for a while and considered the cost of making their apartment a Faraday cage.

a few issues with bare arch, which is the 'do everything from scratch 0 automation bleeding edge tech nerd, no, seriously you need to manually download a file system' distro. don't use arch if you don't know what youre doing.
- For the UDP broadcast, you should be able to catch and change them with simple firewall rules, you'd catch packets with a destination address of the broadcast address and send them to a chain that rewrites the destination
- Ok cool, so you do very specific things (and I lost you at UDP). So since I don't have a very specific use case, I am sadly still not convinced that I need to switch
A lot of the people who are drawn to Linux want to be able to tinker with things. For your use case you would probably be perfectly happy with installing Ubuntu, getting the apps you need, then not messing with it.
- Yes this would be the only reasonable answer for my use case
I don't really have to fix anything in Linux, I do a lot of advanced things though (I'm a software dev) where I will manually change executables' paths, swap them out with symlinks, use custom newer GCC compilers, etc, but even with all of that I still rarely ever have to "fix" anything. I have been waiting, prepared, for when this Ubuntu install craps out so I can finally wipe it out and switch to Arch for this PC.. but it still keeps going and going without a hiccup.

I'm not sure what people are referring to that they have to fix all the time, but no two people have the same experience overall obviously, and there are so many variations of a linux system. like take 10 different desktop environments or window managers or different pieces of software or hardware and every permutation is going to have either more problems, or less problems.

Ultimately I would recommend anybody just giving all of the distros and DE/WMs a try. A good try, give it a few weeks and see how each of them feel, you're not going to know what you've been missing, or if anything ever has bugs or quirks at all period, until you do.
You don't need to tinker so much Linux if you are just gonna use it for Internet and Movie stuff. We tinker with it so much because we want to make our desktop the way we want it
Honestly? I fixed windows as much as i do linux

I just web surf and play video games on my machines, I had to open terminal once to install printer drivers, the printers a MFC-490CW otherwise, nothing needed to be fixed

It's just nice to HAVE the terminal, lets me go under the hood of my computer if need be.
No software is perfect, you are going to run into some issue, somewhere, eventually. However, I would say when talking about Linux spcifically, there is a high chance that people talking about stuff being broken are people breaking stuff.

It's simply fun to try riscy, experimental things. Naturally, people also like to write about it.
- However, I would say when talking about Linux specifically, there is a high chance that people talking about stuff being broken are people breaking stuff.
  
  I'm sure you're right. It used to be complicated to set up printers, bluetooth, audio, but even then once set up they were fine. Now all those and just about anything else you need to manage on the machine has an easy GUI
  
  My wife's computer runs Linux and she's never had to use a terminal (she's not a techie type)
Have you been on a microsoft forum with people talking about windows? I bet you most people will be looking for help.

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- Look I understand your point, but for me it functions for what it needs to do. So i don't need a very specific tech support answer
Going by your lingo, it sounds like you need temple more than anyone
- Again, i have no idea what you are saying... There is lots to learn!
In windows you can't fix it. You leave it there. In linux you can fix, you may try to fix it.

Also the real issue to fix must be at install time for drivers. You wouldn't face that in windows since the devices are preinstalled and configured by manufacturer. If something doesn't work on windows it would be called manufacturer's fault and not windows' fault, so manufacturers make sure its working correctly
- You're talking about Mac, if something is wrong there like an app being too old, you can't do anything about it.
  
  Windows allows you to mold it to make it do what you like, but usually the default setup is pretty decent. Even if it can be the manufacturers fault, you can still install older versions of drivers, install open source third party drivers, or compile your own if you are so inclined.
  
  The database that comes with Windows is to make it easy for the user, so they don't have to go around searching for drivers when they attach a new device. Most of the time it works flawless.
- But I don't need anything to be fixed.... It just works (for the easy things I need it to do)

That is why dual boot is based.

Only dual boot two Linux partitions. Dual booting windows is a waste of disk space, and liable to fuck with your bootloader every update.
- ~~Dual booting~~ windows is a waste of disk space
  
  There, fixed that for you.

What did this say before the edit?

Fact: 90% of gambling addicts quit right before they're about to hit it big
- Heh. Knowing that context puts a different spin on this meme ;-)

This is so true recently because recently developements in linux OSes are too fast

ill never get sick of this meme format lol so funny

I was just about to give up on it the other day after using Mint for the last 6 months because I was having weird instability issues. Anytime I would play a game it would freeze within 15 mins. Turns out XMP had somehow gotten turned on in UEFI settings. Must have done it by accident the last time I was in there. Anyways, disabled it and all my issues disappeared. I would have been pissed if I wiped Linux and reinstalled Windows only to still have issues.

All of the problems so far

Most people that I've seen go back to Windows are people who tried something like Fedora as their first distro for some reason, and then left because they found it too complicated. Instead of going for an easier one like Mint

That is indeed strange, I started with Fedora for some reason and I still use Fedora. Great distro tbh, my only complaint is that more things are .deb instead of .rpm, but .rpm is common enough.
That is the quirk of being splintered in so many different distros, and all the users recommending a different one.

It is by far the biggest reason why Linux hasn't gone mainstream.

New users are having to deep dive into all the different possibilities just to find the one that does what they want, before they can even start the process of installation.

Compare that to Windows: just install the latest one

Or Mac: you are forced to use the latest one.

Problems?

I need to dual boot Windows for my stupid Xbox games and stupid Office that don't run in Wine. 😭

I know you probably mean newer Xbox games, but check out xemu if you like retro titles.
- Steam and Lutris are amazing 😎
So you just like MS Office?
- I actually do but I'm slowly getting used to LibreOffice 🙂
Virtualization is your friend
Gamepass isn't for me, but dual booting for it is understandable. But office? I've found LibreOffice and OnlyOffice are usually "good enough," and if you really need true MS Office, I believe they offer web editors now
- The web editor isn't nearly as good as their desktop app counterpart. LibreOffice is fine for basic usage, but Excel is still king if you're using any kind of advanced feature.

What if I do not have any problems. I haven't had issues in many, many yeats.

One does not simply "switch back". Anyone that stops using Linux was never converted from M$ or A₽₱£€ in the first place, and either was briefly testing it and it didn't work out for them, trying it under duress and it didn't work out for them, or trying it to sound less obviously lying or decades out if date when talking it down. Real Linux users only convert others, or tell you it's actually GNU/Linux, or make sure new users trying out Mint use Debian edition. Real Linux users would use a separate partition or computer for anything that absolutely requires windows that they are unable to part with, even though it can be a pain and windows will periodically try to replace your multi os friendly bootloader with it is own.

Glad it is not 99% :-)

Is it true that Linux users recant their heretical beliefs on their deathbed, switch back to windoze and Bill Gates rapes them?

I am never going to install linux on my gaming pc. It is too much work if you are into multiplayer/live service games. Windows just works if you uninstall all the ms crap.

Windows just works if you uninstall all the ms crap.

That would leave you without an operating system tho.
Windows just works if you uninstall all the ms crap.

Does Windows count as "ms crap" ?
- This is lemmy linux community, people here won't accept windows is a great os without the microsoft bloatware.
you dropped this "/s" somewhere along the line

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