those tables usually are wrong or misleading, i don't like them.
Edge for example has the 3rd party cookie blocking and it works ok, so why it's "no" and not "somewhat" or similar?
The 'Enforce users choice' is just GPC on by default I believe. Which means nothing since it is still voluntary.
By that logic Linux supports windows because I can run it using wine.
Yeah I’m confused about what tracking Chrome blocks that Chredge does not.
I think this is a shitpost of the highest order. If this appears to everyone (?) it adds nothing, and the crappy table is just astonishingly blatant cherry-picking.
That's how all these tables are. If a vendor presents a table comparing themselves to competitors, it's going to be cherry picked.
I think it's a work of love. :)
It seems to trigger discussions like yours, so it's good, a forum is for discussion.
astonishingly blatant cherry-picking
Did you expect them to create a table showing how mediocre they are?
I like using Firefox, but it's a bit ironic to have google analytics tracking on the page you declare to protect the users privacy.
They never claimed firefox.com was privacy focused. Only your browser.
Just doesn't sit well But at least it's open source
Safari needs a tick in “copy urls without site tracking” since ios17 and macOS Sonoma
https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/remove-tracking-information-urls-safari/
I didn't get that but I guess because I have a plugin to give me nice backgrounds on new tabs.
But yeah, shots fired. Nice!
The only issue is that only already existing Firefox users see this, and we already know this.
Tabbliss represent
Yassssss
i probably had it but closed the tab before it loaded
True, but I can share it with friends who already think I'm weird because I use Linux and they can have another reason why they think I am weird.
Every brother has one of these on their site, and somehow that browser always wins
So does Simplex Chat.
Im just over here using firefox since it was still netscape navigator 2.0.
Another update? Okay
They need to add a row for
"Owned by a foreign superpower""Owned by the Chinese government" and a check for Opera.On one hand, yeah. On the other hand, that could be a point in its favor, depending on your threat model. After all, if you're American, China can't prosecute you for secrets it learns from Opera the way the FBI could prosecute you for secrets it learns from Google.
On the third hand it's pointless cause they all buy each other's data anyways.
Honestly I don't see the reason they put that there. I already own Firefox why are you trying to win me over?
People tend to have multiple browsers. You might have FireFox installed but still not be aware why you should use it over other browsers on your computer.
This is a very good reason to put this kind of page in. For less computer savvy people, they may vaguely know "if I click this fox icon it takes me to the Internet and so does this colorful circle and this blue swoosh, so it's all the same" but when they accidentally open one they use less often, seeing something like this might push their preference a little for which one they open
Oh that makes sense. I just assumed people who have Firefox would know stuff like that since Chrome is usually the one people know about but yeah it could have already been in the OC or they just searched for a different one randomly.
i do the multiple browsers thing, but it's firefox, firefox developer, and librewolf (i also have a seamonkey and a waterfox on one system). and they can all run at the same time without conflicting with another.
the few instances where i need a chromium-based one, it's a fresh 'install' of a portable 'alternative' like vivaldi or opera from portableapps (or via appimage on linux) and then deleted when i'm done with it.
For the newbies
be sure to run on top of linux otherwise...
Conveniently excluding Vivaldi browser.
And DuckDuckGo Browser
And lynx
And Brave too, which inconveniently beats firefox hands down in independent privacy checks. The mozilla foundation finally needs to step it up.
That heavily depends. Brave may have better advice/tracker blocking by default, but they send more telemetry. Them being an advertising company also doesn’t speak for them. Brave is a decent browser and on IOS/IPadOS a good option for open source + Adblock, but max privacy would be reconfigured Firefox or Librewolf.
Everyone's just trying to strike a balance between protecting privacy and preserving usability - it's not as simple as just enabling the strictest privacy protections, consequences be damned. Case in point: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/brave-to-end-strict-fingerprinting-protection-as-it-breaks-websites/
If only Firefox on Android doesn't refresh the pages every time I switch to another app and back to Firefox (and even showing only black screen), just to input 2FA code or card detail. It becomes really annoying.
The desktop browser is pretty fine though.
Android is really aggressive with killing background apps
I'd rather them just put up the results of the chrome lawsuit rather than a marketing table lol.
You love it?
I bet you hate Google doing self ads?
Yet this is also just a self ad. And spammy, because it pops open a tab, something browsers are supposed to suppress unless specifically enabled.This is a false equivalence.
If Google advertises the merits of their browser within their browser, like Mozilla is doing here, then that's fair enough, I have zero complaints about that. Why not have a welcome page when you install the browser, highlighting the benefits of using your product?
If Google is utilising their other products to unfairly give themselves a leg up in advertising their browser, then yeah, I'm against that.
If I search on Google (the de facto standard), I shouldn't have popups telling me to use Chrome. If I watch a YouTube video, Google shouldn't be allowed to place Chrome ads there.
Same goes for MS relentlessly advertising Edge in Windows and forcing it into other Microsoft programs.
Those are examples of companies abusing their monopolistic market position to gain a business advantage, which is illegal. It's nothing like Mozilla having a Firefox ad within Firefox.
I tend to agree here. It's like Netflix showing banners of what content they have, on their own site.
"Here are some features of this product you have!" Intrusive, maybe, but not like they're directing you away to pay more money.
But what about Duckduckgo advertising its browser on its search homepage? Would that be a problem too? Or is it only because Google has a dominant position in search?
Would it be an issue for Apple to advertise its browser on macOS? Every time I get a system update on macOS, I get a "what's new" thing for Safari, even though I never use it (Firefox is my default browser on my work computer). Is that okay? Is it okay if Microsoft does it as well?
What about Mullvad advertising its browser on its webpage, which is selling a VPN service? Mullvad Browser integrates Mullvad VPN features, so it's directly related, kind of like how Chrome integrates Google Search features and Safari integrates macOS features.
I'm not sure where I stand here. Saying company X can't do what company Y can do just because company X has a dominant position just feels wrong. I'm all for attacking abuse of dominance, I just think this argument is a little weak.
Tell me about it. I use nothing but Firefox right now and I hate these intrusive ads. Of course, there’s no built in way to disable it, when it could very easily be a toggle.
