People don't seriously try to use Kali as a daily driver, do they? That's just a meme, right? Right?
there was a point where script kiddies thought using Kali meant installing Kali, so at one point yes it has been used as a daily driver.
I remember having a conversation with a coworker who was getting into Linux when Kali was a big deal for script kiddies. He told me he installed it and I was like "dude you want it to be a read only OS, don't install it. Just boot to it from a CD or USB." We went back and forth on that for weeks until I just gave up and labeled him an idiot in my mind.
When I was a kid I installed it and was like "hooHOO, me hacker", so there are silly things like that.
Nevermind me being too intimidated by CLI to do anything in Linux at the time lmfao.
It's been a while since I've thought about it, so what are the reasons why it's a bad daily driver? I assume there's poor support for drivers, hardware, etc.?
Or is it when you do pen testing you don't want to leave traces of yourself? I'm not a cybersecurity guy, so I genuinely don't know.
I've had this conversation with lots of first time Linux users. They think that Kali is the most hardcore hacker OS and that's what they need to run for a introduction to security course.
Actually, Garuda Linux is really easy to use
Actually, Garuda Linux is really easy to use
I agree; that's what I use on my main PC. Not sure what that has to do with Kali though.
What the fuck the do you have a life question is so offensive! Stop trying to just be edgy in memes!
I'm so sick of these stupid stereotypes that the Linux community has. I'll have you know that I use both Debian and Fedora and I do not in fact have a life.
Do you fear god?
Yes: TempleOS
No: Hannah Montana Linux
Blasphemy. Hannah Montana is a god.
I thought Alanis Morissette was god....
I do like privacy, but I also have a VR headset so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ windows it is
Is there a reason vr doesn't work on Linux?
Steam just made a big step forward with steam link, but previously the headset manufacturers were releasing Windows only link software.
Also there are now open source solutions like ALVR.... But like most FOSS it can require some know how.
(Or maybe he meant Meta is getting all his data anyways, why be picky)
I do like privacy, but I'm lazy.
You can easily debloat Windows with shutup10.
Why are both Debian and Debian: Kidz Edition on there?
Some people have kids, I guess.
Am I stupid. Most Linux users I know are more paranoid about tech than anyone else
The difference between paranoia and fear is the difference between not wanting to buy a Google Home because it listens to you and not wanting to buy a Google Home because you're afraid you'll break it.
That is actually a great metaphore. I always just used:
It's like me not wanting to use google photos because they scan your photos to train algorithms vs my mom not wanting to use google photos because she is afraid all of her photos will get deleted.
This is the comment I was looking for. I am very paranoid of technology and live in a constant fear of 0-day exploits and encryption backdoors.
I have been using the same Arch installation for about 8 years. The initial installation/configuration is the only time consuming part. Actual day-to-day usage is extremely easy.
Maybe this is no longer the case but I previously used Ubuntu and it was actually much more annoying in comparison, especially when upgrading between major revisions or needing to track down sources/PPAs for packages not in the main repos. Or just when you want something more up-to-date than what they're currently shipping.
The rolling release model + the AUR saves so much time and prevents a lot of headaches.
You may have just sold me on Arch.
I have never been able to hold down an Ubuntu install for very long without getting that dreaded
you have held broken packagesscold.Yeah, I love Arch for the same reasons. Try installing it in a VM and using it a bit, and you'll see that it's quite an easy OS to use now.
You can follow the wiki guide and really have a solid systems that is just yours. That will take some time and can be a little frustrating.
Or use the installer script they have included for a year or more now and get to a working desktop in 20-30 minutes.
But if you feel the need to trim down the scripted version, you can make it just a strong as the step-by-step install in a few hours.
I have used the same step-by-step based on the wiki install since 2016, on my daily driver laptop
Same Gentoo installation for last 5 years.
Here's BTWOS for you:
Ubuntu has caused me far more headaches and downtime than Arch. Go figure.
And to make this be a worthwhile comment: I wonder if it is because I use Arch (and derivatives) that Ubuntu causes issues. When something isn't right, I try and fix it. In Arch I can. In Ubuntu it seems like a dozen paper cuts to get there and it may not work in the long run anyway. Oh the Snap doesnt have foo compiled in? No problem I can add it to the snap directory. No, that didnt work. Ok I will remove it and bring in a .deb file. Dependencies not met. Fine, I will compile it from source..... and by that time I have wasted a TON of time.
Oh god yeah that's the fate of snap and flat pack.
Install OBS studio, current version has some issues oh look there's a flat pack install the flat pack instead. OBS runs great. Oh, I need some plugins Go to install the plugins, The plugins folder isn't where it belongs. I scrape along and find the plugins folder I try to shove them in there doesn't work. Oh I need to find the flat pack installer for the plugin.... But half the s*** I want isn't available.
I truly appreciate them trying to make things more universal and easier. But it's a fine line we're walking between easy but unconfigurable and non-standard complicated but flexible.
Worth noting, this meme is from the time before Arch had an easy installer. So that's probably what it's referring to. I joined Linux almost 4 years ago, and this meme already existed then. I dunno how old it really is.
This sounds like my Ubuntu xp as well. Although I haven't had the arch xp to compare it against which makes me slightly hesitant to jump in.
I'm pretty tempted to revamp my old laptop to arch though. Just needs funds for enough personal storage first.
I totally get that
reminds me of what happens when developing software and using “no code” tools. Fragile and inflexible but if you meet the exact use case in the exact way it’s an instant win
I don't get all the Apple hate from the Linux community. Out of the box you have a fully usable *NIX machine --- they even switched the default shell to zsh! No advertising in the Start menu, and ssh (client and server) included by default. Install homebrew and boom --- tmux, htop, nload, lolcats.....most of your favorite tools can be installed easy as on any linux distro.
I use Debian for personal use, and I much prefer it...but basically only because I prefer i3 to the Mac GUI.
Virtually non-repairable hardware I'm especially salty on disks and keyboards. The SMCs have been garbage for years.
Expensive as hell.
Crappy default package management. Crappy heat management. Years of ignoring customers wants (escape key). Their logs are half-assed. Xcode is pretty trashy and they keep doing non backwards compatible upgrades for things. Once* a box reaches a number of years old You can't get OS updates anymore then you can't have xcode versions updates anymore.
They're pretty, They have great battery life, and they're *nix but the advantages fall apart pretty quickly when you start digging into them.
EOL support. I have a 11-12 year old System76 laptop. Works perfectly on the latest Ubuntu version.
Their shitty walled garden for both software (iOS) and hardware (soldered components that don't need to be).
Overpriced.
Fake sense of privacy.
I used Mac OS 6.x through 10.4. When I was in college and couldn't afford to replace my aging G4, I triple booted Fedora, Mac OS X, and Windows on a hackintosh where I gravitated towards mostly Linux and Windows for a couple games. Owned a couple iPhones but decided to role Android when the nexus 6 came out to save some money when I had my first child on the way and my current phone was dying.
I don't miss anything I left behind. Had a short stint at work during COVID where I was given a MacBook. While not horrible, I ran into enough nuances I was able to justify to my work using a Linux laptop instead. I just don't find anything appealing to give them my business.
Apple is an awful company that screws thee customers over every chance they get
But why did they default to zsh?
Because they didn't like that bash was GPL
Because they are asshats
But really, because of the licenses. Bash went to gpl3.
Mac is proprietary bullshit that's why. It's fine for work usage. At home I want to support FOSS.
Also MacBooks are a ripoff. You get 6-8 years of support and then all updates stop. Not worth it when Linux support is indefinite, and even Windows gets you 10+ years.
Agreed. Macs are perfectly fine and capable UNIX machines, really the only problem with them is the price. And yes I get that some people aren't fans of the UI but it requires no more of a learning curve than, say, GNOME.
But whatever. I'm not even offended by this meme, it's actually rather factual on the whole, which can't be said for everything posted in this group.
Apple gets hate from everyone. Windows users, *nix users; doesn't matter. The only ones who don't hate apple are clowns. Are you a clown?
read fedora as facebook and then just imagined facebook putting out a facebook distro
Zuck Linux - would make canonical look like saints
I mean, Microsoft also has their Linux distro, sort of: https://github.com/microsoft/CBL-Mariner
When you want to use Linux but miss the invase data collection of windows
Ubuntu shouldn't be with those who care about privacy. Snap is completely integrated into Ubuntu now.
What do we do with your information?
Your information is stored in our database and may be processed outside of the European Economic Area.
Canonical LTD.
https://ubuntu.com/legal/data-privacy/snap-store
They're going to be just as bad as Apple, Google or Microsoft if they're given the market share. Corporations care only about one thing.
And they have a shocking share of the server market despite the existence of Debian. Unfortunate.
Accurate for a Linux meme, yes.
Accurate in real life? No.
Thank you! So I CARE about my privacy, so ChromeOS is on the table!?
Hey I'm on Ubuntu because I'm lazy, not because I have a life
I fear technology, but in the "Technology will destroy us all unless we get a really good handle on it" kind of way. I use debian.
I don't understand why Windows is on the "no" side of "do you fear technology?"
Well, the other side would be operating systems you can't really screw up too badly because they are locked down harder, so perhaps it's fear of the unknown?
There are way more windows power users than mac power users
i’m gonna get crucified for giving apple a single benefit of a doubt but i think there are just as many windows users who “fear technology” as mac ones. think of all the grandparents running shitty dollar store pcs. mac is only a walled sandbox until you turn off the safeguards, then you can see exactly as much dumb back-end shit as you can on windows
I think this is sdvice on what you should do, not what people actually do. This would be why there is such a big industry for windows tech support. Tldr: Windows: Be afraid, very afraid.
Okay what is the Tux Jigsaw Puzzle one?
Also Gentoo?
Tux Jigsaw is "Linux from Scratch." It's not really a distro, but rather a guide that walks you through configuring an entire Linux distro from the ground up.
Gentoo is a distro focused on compiling pretty much everything from source locally.
Yeah, honestly you can replace Arch with Gentoo. Arch is for when you don't have a life for an afternoon or two while you're getting set up. After that it's smooth.
The Gentoo forums were a great help when I mained Gentoo. It's been years, needed windows to play WoW to avoid the bans at the time.
Anyway yeah it was fun trying to figure out why it broke or what portage dependency blew up.
archinstallI’m the only person who fails 2/3 times, once it didn’t encrypt, the second didn’t install nvidia drivers
I actually switched to openSUSE Tumbleweed from Ubuntu and love it. I know it's not as popular, but I can't see why. Rolling release, compatibility, support, it's awesome!
Tumbleweed gang rise up!
What if you don't fear technology, have no life, and are technologically behind and don't understand what anything but the apple and windows symbols are? I recognize the penguin from an EEE PC that I had like 15 years ago, but that's it.
*Sorry I also recognize Google, just not immediately apparently.
Gotta ask the grandkids for help
The worst part is I'm not old enough for grandkids lmao.
In that case, I guess it's time to get educated about Linux. At least to the point, where you understand, that what I'm referring to, should actually be called "GNU/Linux".
*"I recognize Google" is also not Google itself, but specifically the Chrome Logo that refers to Chrome OS in this case.
You’re a human with the knowledge of a time lord! You know more than you let on don’t you.
They’re distributions that add onto an open source set of softwares - including a kernel and common utilities - that can be made into a fully fledged operating system.
Together the family of OSes are referred to as Linux systems since the kernel (the main bit of an OS) is called Linux.
You can still run Arch & have a life. Arch actually just works if you use it correctly....
Never had this problem, but I can see why someone probably could....
tfw nvidia
I run Debian on my work laptops, and Arch on my gaming rig. They are absolutely equal in terms of time sink, and it's not that bad at all.
If by daddy you mean business daddy, then yes, business daddies are usually rich.
My business daddy pays for my Apple machine and it's great for ssh-ing into various cloud-based Linux boxes.
No Mint?
Green Ubuntu
Mint was just some protest distro against gnome shell or whatever window manager Ubuntu promoted at the time. 10 years Iater I use Ubuntu with gnome
That’s how it started, but now it’s the one that does everything Ubuntu claims to better and with more long-term stability.
It might be getting a second wind now as an escape from Wayland/NVIDIA and death by a thousand snaps. That was why I switched a few months ago; all I wanted was to play ETS2 on my old laptop, dangit.
I miss gentoo in your diagram
They think Kali(Debian Based) is harder than Gentoo I guess….. I miss seeing Slackware on these lists too
Here:
"Are you bookhorse?" -> "Yes"
I guess it would have to be the third option after yes and no.
I had a brief expedition into game development recently and ended up using Unreal Engine, I eventually gave up on Unreal -- but I do plan on checking out Godot. Although, I eventually go home sick for Linux (my computer isn't powerful enough to run a Windows VM with a game engine; please spare me), and ended up wanting a "it just works™" setup. So, logically, I try Fedora. Although, the installer just wouldn't boot, not on a USB, not on Ventoy, nothing. Just a cold dark screen with a solid underline cursor. I also tried OpenSUSE at one point, but there's some bad blood between me and that distro so I think I gave up at the installer. Anyway, I ended up installing Arch Linux, and would you look at that, the installer launches!
TL;DR: Arch Linux might take more time to get setup to your liking, but once you get it there, it it just works™.
PS: I have very much non-free hardware, this could be part of it -- and it made installing Artix Linux with hardware encryption very difficult that one time. :/
Edit: PPS: I'm not trying to say "don't use Fedora or OpenSUSE," use what you want. This is my experience.
Do you have an life should exclusively just say NO
I’ve used most of these with the exception of ChromeOS and the “not having a life” category. I’d say it’s fairly accurate.
I have used almost all of them and ChromeOS is my daily driver.
I would say pop os is more for ppl with a life than debian
Or Open "it just works" SuSE.
I am gonna go against the circlejerk here and publicly admit that I have a macbook pro, daddy aint rich either, I wanted something that would last and works well, it's both environmental and ux based decision for me, so it was either macbook or framework, since framework doesn't sell in my country It's an easy decision.
Also it's an os most people want it to just work, one of the main reasons why iOS and MacOs are popular, until there is a linux flavor like mac is made and then it's distributed as the default os, the year of the linux desktop will never come
System76.com has laptops like that imo
I use arch BTW
Just install Pop OS.
Looks like I had the right distro until it spammed my root partition with snaps and suffocated itself.
Back to Spyware
lol :D
i use arch and i have life so this is not accurate
I don't see Gentoo, Slackware and Void there. Also Arch is an irrelevant distribution among us folks without life. It should be on the left, maybe after the "are you trying to look like a hackerman" question.
"Is compiling packages for days your favorite activity?" -> Gentoo
"Do you believe an OS can turn you into a hacker?" -> Kali
Yes, if not that, I'd probably use it. Everything is very nice except for that need to plan for installing software.
Kali - well, I've actually met one such person and he later stopped being stupid and got into something hardware-related. I've been a person believing that Gentoo or Slackware can turn one into a good sysadmin for a few years.
There's ways to make windows private.
just don't use the internet.
You only have to use one of seemingly several methods to make the offline account option appear based on what specific version installer you have, no to Cortana but wait for her subtitles to finish in time with her audio anyway, individually untick every data collection option which each take up the whole screen with the toggle and next button being just far apart enough for it to be annoying plus the slow fade transition, realize you actually need the enterprise edition to set telemetry to 0 using group policy editor which isn't available otherwise, have a vaguely different installation for that, find out that some functionality isn't available like Ms store and some other stuff on enterprise which requires PowerShell to add it in if needed. Then possibly some random app to block select domains, with exceptions for the ones that make xbox, the Ms support sites, and ms software not work when disabled if needed. and/or pihole/unbound/Adguard if you have the means of setting it up. Then have random software not work for unknown reasons but you know deep down it's the non standard installation of windows.
Yes, by removing all internet connectivity and updates.
Yes+: Hulk smash.
Do you use your pc for games? -> Windows.
Simple as that.
Not perfect but Linux is getting there! Certainly much better than before.
Honestly gaming hasn't been a problem for me on Linux. It is a bit more work in some games to get them up and running, but windows 11 started waking up without any reason so I abandoned it and think the extra work is worth it.
But I understand why someone wouldn't want to go through it.
Only if you play CoD, Fortnite, or Destiny 2. If you're technically inclined and don't mind working around some issues, gaming on Linux has come a long way and can be used for pretty much anything else. I used to dual-boot Windows for games, then I went to booting Windows in a VM and gaming with a spare, passed-through GPU. But I haven't booted my VM in months, and I play lots of games.
See, that's the thing: I very much mind "working around some issues" in gaming and in gaming alone. I'm as much of a tinkerer when it comes to software as the next guy, but now with a child and all of those pesky responsibilities that slowly pile up as you age, gaming time is
a) scarce and
b) the only real "wind down" time I getI have time for other things that make me happy mind you, but gaming time needs to be different you cannot dive into an RPG and do subtle story Sidequests and whatnot if you can't dive into the game fully, switch off everything else for a time. Whenever I can do that, any "small issue" I'd need to work around would make me MAD.
Gaming is the one thing where I don't want the super customizable OS that works exactly as I want that I can get with Linux. I want to press play and be taken to a place where peasants will task any random stranger to bring their child somewhere and any Lord will entrust his kingdom into some random dipshit he just.met.
So my options are install OS, install GPU drivers, install games, and then play games, or install OS, read 50 different guides, fight iommu or some other configuration, eventually get it working enough to install another OS in a VM, fight getting that performing well, install games, and then play games with potential for worse performance.
I love Linux, but claiming these two things are comparable is ridiculous. I work with Linux all day at work, I don't want to work with it at home when I just want to relax.
I made the switch to daily driving Linux on my laptop for work and play a few months back with a dual boot setup with Windows, and changed over mine and my partner's gaming desktops to do the same, and they recently got a Steam Deck OLED as well. Honestly I can't say this is true. It depends on the distro, but I went with Pop OS, and it has been ridiculously pain free to game on. I play a large variety of weird, old, indie games, and I've encountered a single game that didn't work on Pop OS that I needed to play on Windows (WRC 4) and that particular game BARELY worked on Windows as well and took lots of setting up and fixing. More often than not I'm finding things work better on Pop OS (GTA IV doesn't crash when changing multiple graphics options like on Windows, and GTA IV and 2013's Tomb Raider both get better frame rates) than Windows.
This is all particularly notable because I didn't go in as some Linux expert touting the superiority of it (I chose Pop OS because I'm a noob, and it's easy to use), and fully expected to have all sorts of issues. My biggest complaint is that I should have set my dual boot partition for Pop OS way bigger because I barely need to use Windows anymore! My absolute #1 annoying niche issue that I can't figure out is that the VPN I need to use to remote into my work 1) will work on Windows, 2) DID work on Pop OS when connected to my phone's data but not my home wifi (???), 3) no longer works on either my phones data or wifi. Gaming though, has been a cakewalk, you should give it a go. Install proton, maybe grab a glorious eggroll, and you're set, they're support for NVIDIA cards make it equally pain free (across the 3 systems I mentioned we're gaming on Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA gpus, and all are equally pain free).
Even controllers are no problem, but I haven't messed around much with my wheel, or VR headset though, so we'll so how that goes.
This community has a hard time accepting how little the average person is aware Linux exists let alone how few people consider it an option for gaming
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