The final nail in Reddit's coffin dropped today:
The final nail in Reddit's coffin dropped today:
Dear User,
We will soon begin rolling out changes to Reddit's User settings. It is getting a refresh that includes changes to ad personalization, privacy preferences, and location settings.
As part of these changes, we are retiring a setting that you have previously turned on that limited how we used your activity from the Reddit platform to personalize ads. We have replaced the setting with a new option to select categories of ads that you may not wish to see.
More details are available in our announcement and help center.
These changes are rolling out starting today and you may see the changes over the next few days.
Users will be tracked with no opt out. Posts may be monetized, which will make content even worse No refund or any type of usable credit for users that spent hundreds on Reddit coins The entire vibe has done a 180° since all these new "positive changes" are rolled out.
I’m not spending much time on Reddit these days but in no way is this the end for Reddit. The VAST majority of the user base just doesn’t care. We may see more users trickling in and Lemmy is sure more ready now than ever but people are so used to being advertised to, that this won’t be a big issue long term. People are dumb.
Idk man, literally asked a bunch (3) of friends how reddit is lately who had no idea what was going on this summer with the API changes and didn't care when I told them. Here are there responses:
"They've gotten really bad at putting relevant shit in front of me"
"Been a ton more ads lately"
And
"dude thank you for telling me reddit had porn lol"
The hope is that the non-dumb people will leave for here, and that they're the ones who make quality content.
Reddit users will be reposting Lemmy content for real money gold by 2025. Fucking spez...
One thing I hadn't thought much about until recently-- the quality of comments is so much higher here, and I don't have to typically scroll through a wasteland of dudebro jokes to get to relevant replies.
So, comments are also 'content,' and from what I'm seeing, Lemmy already has a distinctly smarter / more mature userbase.
This is for sure the final nail, it's going to collapse just like Facebook and Google did after all that ad stuff. Profiting off a user data is clearly a failed business model and we see that time and time again.
That infographic with the most profitable companies in the world…both of them are still on it. And Reddit wants to be.
The weird thing about the internet is it's hard to make money. Information is free in.both senses of the term
Yeah no one who's still there cares at all.
2016: All I need, to have hope for the future, is a large majority of people willing to slightly inconvenience themselves to produce positive changes.
2023: Human intelligence has peaked, idiocracy is here, I for one welcome our AI overlords, earthonfire.jxl, etc.
I completely agree with this!
Also, it's an unfortunate rule of thumb that, when you see a sensationalized headline, most likely it won't have the effect it claims to have...
Well, let's hope there's a steady migration to Lemmy (though numbers are small here)
Edit: added last line
No opt out? Expect trouble from the EU.
They did mention the options with different in some locations.
It's common to run different rulesets based on region
you underestimate people's complacency and inertia, in no way this is end of reddit
Yeah, people think tracking you for ads will dissuade anyone? Like, Instagram has a content to ad ratio of 33%, and people give zero fucks.
I don't think people will ever leave, and I don't think we should want them to leave either. We can build better, smaller platforms much more easily than we can't fix the world's attitude and consumption trends towards the large ones.
I mean, having some users isn't the same as having a ton of users using the product for hours a day. They can still say people are using it, but it's far from how it used to be (actually goes for Instagram and Facebook as well). There will always be people still using them, but for less time and getting less enjoyment out of it. The majority of users will not use it much at all, only out of some sense of necessity. Instagram and Facebook are literally unusable in my opinion due to ads and sponsored content, most people I know that used to spend hours on those two sites now barely use them at all, and that's the direction Reddit wants to head in.
Exactly.
No, this won't kill Reddit. If they can essentially remove every third-party app, they'll easily be able to start selling user data. Whether we like it or not, the majority stayed on Reddit.
Nothing short of somehow breaking through ad blockers like Twitch did will make people stop using it, even if that.
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Facebook kind of died and used the momentum it had to reinvent itself. Back in the day I used to see updates from my friends, and I used to interact with them. I stopped using Facebook at some point a few years ago and recently got back to it. I use Marketplace, and in my country people with the same hobby as me seem to interact over Facebook more than anything else. Younger people rarely upload except for a few very active outliers. Most of the content is these clickbaity short videos of 5-minute crafts or live-feeding frogs to slightly larger frogs because Facebook thinks I'm into it for some reason. They just made an addictive never-ending stream of content.
Whether we like it or not, the majority stayed on Reddit.
The fight may not be over though.
Where people didn't really care about an API change for third party apps, they may care a lot more about having ads shoved in their faces whether they like it or not.
It's all about breakings their inertia to change.
People en mass make "economic" decisions. If they view an alternative such as lemmy as too difficult to use, or their communities are not here they will rather tolerate the ads. Learning to use a new app or having to start the community themselves is too much effort for most people.
If there are still Facebook and Twitter users, of which we know there are, nothing will kill Reddit.
However, I'll say I'm someone not good at change but am agoraphobic, so my only "connection" was Reddit, and I finally gave in and deleted for good.
Still getting used to this platform, but hopefully can find less toxic users here. Social media seems to be made special for bullies.
It's a pretty great place. Glad you're here.
I think I will be okay as long as there is content on Lemmy
This would've resulted in my leaving if I hadn't left in June.
Saved me 3.5 months.
Right? I hope more and more people leave. It’d be great if more users came to lemmy, but I’d be content just seeing people leave that putrid site
I might just start visiting forums for relevant information again. Lemmy seems to be pretty decent for now. Reddit really has gone downhill.
I'm new here. I left Reddit yesterday. No looking back.
SAME. Relay for reddonk stopped working, needed updating, and came back with an unavoidable subscription model suggesting i should pay 5.99/mo to continue "enjoying" reddit at my pace. Some people probably would, "oh, what's that one banana a month"? I don't sign in, thus I don't post, comment, vote, reward. This is just me being charged to lurk on a website that forked in ungodly amounts of profit over a reward system they trash canned. Reasonably so because they didn't really reward the user as much as it was just micropaymemts to reddit, and people were noticing. Instead we are "rewarding all 3rd party users by letting them pay to use our content".
Mind you this is on top of reddit recent announcing that they will no longer give you the option to not be tracked, instead replacing it with "tires of ads you can opt out from"
SMH
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If you wanna keep your bookmarks and the subreddits (communities) that you're subscribed to before deleting your Reddit account, I made a free tool to help you store and offload that data.
It's called Reddit Account Manager, and it's 100% free.
You can also use it to manage your Lemmy account(s), of course.
Thanks for such an awesome trip!
Users can also use Redact to delete their data, and then delete their reddit account
https://old.reddit.com/r/redditseppuku/comments/14frr4u/reddit_seppuku_how_to/
Yep, the ideal workflow for migrating would be something like this:
- Use Reddit Account Manager to neatly organize and store your Reddit accounts, bookmarks, and subscriptions
- Request your data archive from Reddit itself
- Use something like Redact or Power Delete Suite to remove your content from Reddit
- Permanently delete your accounts from Reddit
- Move to a federated alternative (optional)
how do I get it without giving away my email address to some random website?
You should be using an email forwarding/alias service such as SimpleLogin, or apples proprietary hide my email service for example. You can have an infinite amount of alias emails that all forward to your main, and have 100% control over.
The other option is older school, just make another account somewhere. You can also create automated rules to just forward all emails from their to your main too.
You could use a service like SimpleLogin, Addy, Duck, or just a temporary fake email generator. I don't mind if you give me a fake email address—you have a right to privacy.
If it helps, my website's hiram.io. I realize that's still "random" in the grand scheme of things, but it should at least show you I'm a real person, and I build stuff to build a better web.
Can I use this with Android?
Your question's a little nuanced, so let me try to answer this as thoroughly as possible:
The short answer is: If the platform you choose to use it is accessible from your Android phone, then yes. But it's not Android- or iOS-specific.
Out of the platforms that it's available on (Airtable, Notion, Coda, ClickUp, and Baserow), all of them except for Baserow have native mobile apps. With that said, Baserow is also mobile responsive, so you don't need a native mobile app to work with Reddit Account Manager.
- Reddit Account Manager is a template built on top of those tools (Airtable, Notion, Coda, ClickUp, and Baserow), so you'll need an account with at least one of those to use it.
- Reddit Account Manager is built without code.
Hope that clears things up. :)
Hi, just made this account after reading that. Fuck Reddit fuck Spez
Welcome. Tell your friends!!
Welcome!
This is just the continuation of the instagrammification if reddit. They want to turn it into a influencer platform where people are desperately trying to make money so that they can take a big cut of it.
People aren't going to leave reddit all at once right away, because structure means that individual subreddits are very much isolated from one another in terms of users.
However, it's likely that we will be seeing some kind of cultural shift happening there as quality get worse. I feel it's inevitable that there will be more low effort content pumped out as quickly as possible than ever before now there is an actual monetary incentive instead of imaginary Internet points, and all personalized feed and ad is going to do is isolate individual users in their individual bubble and not allowing human connections to form between them.
Things are getting better here. The regulars recongnize each other's name and personalitu, whereas on reddit all the usernames all blends together into an amorphous mass unless it's one of those novelty accounts or e-celeb or something. That's the key difference between Lemmy and reddit right now.
Couldn't agree more. Those novelty e-celeb accounts on Reddit are getting really put of hand, aren't they, Margot Robbie
Oh absolutely, especially those celebrities who comes in, promote their latest project, say some catchphrases, and leave. Why would they do such a thing?
Also, that's Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you!
We all know they're still not going to leave. Also lol those people buying Reddit coins can get fucked.
As a mod on reddit (who only reacts to pings these days) I would like to post an undramatic message „here‘s what happened, if you‘re interested to join our lemmy mirror, here‘s the link.“
Anyone got something I could use which will not set off reddit stans or get me replaced and the message deleted?
I found that the best approach is to just have the link in the sidebar. This was how several communities first started introducing discords when it was basically an unknown piece of software. It became normalized without anyone noticing when.
Thats what I did already. I might just leave it at that then. Thanks for the suggestion though. :)
I deleted my reddit accounts and signed up to lemm.ee today b/c of the advert policy change.
Noice. I still use Reddit on desktop occasionally, but haven’t touched mobile since the api change.
Looking at Twitter/X, this won't be the final nail. People stick to the platforms they're on as long as it doesn't directly Negative impacts them too much.
The difference, I think, which may make it easier to switch is that, on Twitter, you follow specific people. On Reddit, you only subscribe to specific communities, many of which have already been replicated in some way on Lemmy. You can't replicate people, though.
Yet.
Relay also stopped working for me today, so here I am for good now, at least on mobile.
I hope reddit sinks to the bottom because of their greed.
Yep same for me. I've moved to Red Reader, it's crap for the UI but at least it will continue to work for the foreseeable.
For now I'm not gonna move to anything else for Reddit. I'll use Sync for Lemmy as my daily driver, and I'll see how it goes.
Nobody who remains there gives a fuck.
It sucked going from Boost to the official Reddit app and this I don't really care about but what got me to come here today was my feeds in the official Reddit app have been stale for the last several days and it's seems to have forgot what subreddits my account is in. I can go to a subreddit I'm subscribed to and see fresh posts but all the built in views Home/Popular/News... All have content I saw hours ago or yesterday.. Why do I want to use an app that shows me old posts and makes me hunt down new ones of interest?
I'm posting this comment from "Boost for Lemmy" to make me feel that I'm still on Reddit lmao
Same! That's what I'm using! I had Boost for Lemmy set to pre download or whatever and this morning when looking for my Reddit fix and being dissatisfied with Reddit I was like.. Wait a minute, what happened to Boost for Lemmy? I wanted to check that out sometime and started using it lol
Why would you go to the official reddit app? I continued using Relay until it stopped working yesterday, but Stealth and Red Reader still work just fine and are FOSS. Red Reader was given dispensation for being a disability app IIRC.
Just deleted my account
How can we help improve Reddit? Fuck Spez
I told them the same
About to go do the same, I still can't believe how hard they fell.
You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain.
It just reminded me to as well, I was reluctant after 13 years but they can fuck off!
I just deleted my reddit account and signed up here as well. Fortunately, I don't know anyone else who still has an account. Most of my friends and family left a long time ago.
Welcome!
It's only just begun. That's what they said about Xitter ages ago as well, but if it can get worse it absolutely fucking will
They reset all my notification settings. I deleted the app.
Obligatory fuck spez the hurensohn.
Sounds like it violates gdpr
Won't be rolled out in GDPR countries, for sure.
This is America.
wow, it really is just slow erosion of our rights, huh?
extremely disappointed that we are all fighting for our basic fucking human rights (e.g. privacy) instead of, i dunno, fighting climate change? There's little hope that we can do what we did with the ozone layer again...
The problem is you (and many others, not singling you out here) believed you had rights on a privately controled web platform.
This has never been the case.
In the past reddit said and had "terms of service" that suited their business goals at the time. In the past, those goals were: Use VC money to grow the platform as large as possible as fast as possible.
Now that Reddit is looking to go public with an IPO, those goals have changed.
The goal is now. Generate as much revenue as possible from the user-base created with the VC money.
And it's going to work simply because of people not caring and because of the difficulty of switching platforms. I myself am guilty of this, I'm still using reddit for the communities that haven't moved over to Lemmy yet, though I've reduced my usage because I refuse to install the official app for Android after they killed third party apps. Now that Boost is available for Lemmy, I'll be making the gradual switch. But I doubt the majority of users will bother doing the same.
I don’t think this will move the needle at all
Reddit mods had a chance to migrate but decided to sit and wait thinking they could change Reddit
It's not about the needle, it's about how Reddit acts during its death throes.
Reddit can't make money unless they monetize every user in every way possible, including selling their personal data if they have it. The API garbage was an attempt to monetize users in ways even their own app doesn't, and also an admission that advertising isn't paying the bills, or they would have just started advertising through the API.
So now we're seeing how Reddit behaves once they realize that charging for API access doesn't work. They will sell everyone and everything until they shut down.
People should have assumed they were before
Reddit mods
I know tons of mods that left reddit and are on lemmy instances now. Had a chance to migrate? what does that even fucking mean, we can't bring subreddits over. we can't hold a gun to the subreddit population and say "goto lemmy now" and most of us were locked out by reddit for shuttering our subreddits anyway, and replaced with scabs.
Explain yourself for this shit take.
Nah, they just don't want to lose their god given right (and status) to be volunteer mods of reddits.
"Two days broooo"
Its good I don't use reddit anymore
The new update is horrible. They are blocking critical comments and gaslighting users too.
Sadly it's not even close to the final nail. The largest reason being there isn't anything to take its place. While I love Lemmy, there are still too many hurdles and roadblocks to getting started compared to other social media platforms and all of those established ones are doing similar moves to Reddit's nonsense. But just like why Mastodon hasn't topple Twitter is that the ease of use and user base isn't there.
Until someone can offer the same(ish) experience that almost fully featured and super easy to get start. Most users won't break their habits. They only other way is to offer something that is better than the other platforms (since this can be wildly subjective) again ease of use and standardized features are incredibly important.
Will Twitter, Reddit and Facebook go the way of MySpace? I'm sure at some point. But only until something can truly replace or pull users.
the community quality on Lemmy also just isn’t there yet. there are some good niche communities, but a lot of “staples” are either just not active enough or are poorly moderated.
for example, there still isn’t a good alternative to /r/Games. lemmy.world has /c/games, but their rules aren’t nearly as strict as the former, and it has lead to very poor discussion quality in comparison. All the top comments on the Starfield impressions thread a few weeks ago were low-effort, karma-whoring, single sentences complaining about pre-orders rather than actually discussing the game itself.
[email protected] is pretty solid
What niche communities do you recommend?
I use boost for lemmy which was made by the same guy who made it for reddit. It looks and acts pretty much the same.
I honestly think a small part of Mastodon's problem is the name, for a while I would just think of the metal band or the fossil record. I feel like at least for me there is a subconscious effect that names and branding have that can be hard to notice.
refunds for people who spent memory on Reddit coins
Yeeeeeaaaaahhhhh all of your points are valid but if anyone ever spent money on coins, it’s all in the trash anyway
Apollo let me turn awards off and it was one of the best features. So much cleaner.
ah yes, just like how the oh so mighty mods pissed their panties with the blackouts, really killed reddit too that one huh
I mean, yeah. Have you been on reddit since the API stuff? It's absolutely flooded with bots trying to make up the difference. Which is like, reddit playbook 2009. The broken links are pretty prolific too at this point.
It's not going to like, close its doors, but it certainly isn't in the position it was just a few months ago.
I hope you're right and I'll take your word for it. I don't go to that site anymore.
Digg and MySpace still technically exist
Although it makes it harder for me, I actually quite like hitting a Google result on Reddit and seeing swaths of editted/deleted comments.
Yeah I think it's pretty clear at this point that 99% of reddit users don't care about this, which is why reddit continues to thrive while lemmy is facing lower and lower user numbers
I disagree. I think more ppl are leaving Reddit each day. My irl friends are bailing on it one by one.
I also feel the same, Lemmy is well..,. an echo chamber supporting Lemmy . Communties I used visit are doing just fine on reddit. But I a happy with the lower numbers and better quality of discussions
I had been using Relay for Reddit Pro until today, the API finally switched over and it doesn't work without updating and paying a subscription.
I had already been 50/50, now I can only access the terrible Reddit application on my phone, so I guess Lemmy is all I have on mobile.
One thing holding me back from stopping to use reddit as a whole is using old.reddit in the browser. Can't stand the new design, and once they remove that option - never looking back for real.
On mobile, Lemmy all the way.
Can I interest you to old reddit like theme in Lemmy.
More here
https://gist.github.com/rystaf/4d591ffdcbaab1c49efa406885efd814
interesting, thanks! and it also looks identical. bookmarking this right away
This looks awesome! How about a clone of the reddit website that masks as a MSN webclient?
That's where I'm at. I only access reddit from a browser using old.reddit.com these days. Once that option is taken from me, I'm gone.
With RES of course
I've found myself in the same boat.
Not sure how I feel about it, but it's interesting to see someone else commenting about doing the same.
tbh I can't understand why people liked old reddit sorry I'm a zoomer idiot but still can someone help me understand?
More lightweight = faster and more content on the screen? Nowadays cool looking websites are slow and with 25% margin on both sides.
I feel the same all annoyed for example when doing some extensive search on PC vs mobile. No matter if it's a shopping hunt on ebay or gathering information. On PC i scroll-click 10 links, iterate through them, Ctrl+w the ones being useless and chosing/read betwend the ones left. Something unclear? Double Ctrl+C and deepl pops up with a translation.
5min on PC vs 20min on mobile, where I have to click each link, fight those pop ups and cookies consent, go back, wait anoyingly long 2 second webpage loads and repeat.
For discussions and news and long form text it's infinitely easier to browse and read in the old layout. The new one is designed for media and for making you quickly jump between threads
I'm more of a list person than someone who prefers cards type of style. With a list, I find it easier to navigate and get a better overview of everything, rather than seeing just a few posts at a time without scrolling.
I used to use reddit with Reddit Enhancement Suite (RES), a browser add-on/extension that has tons of customizations. This was even before there was an old/new reddit, it was just reddit.
So it's not that we chose to use "old" reddit, it was that we chose not to use "new" reddit. Going to the new design breaks RES and we would've missed out on all of those customizations and quality-of-life features that were missing without it.
Plus, "new" reddit is designed for doom-scrolling and serving adds, and not about promoting users to engage in dialog. Most of my reddit interaction was around niche content, where I actually dived deep into threads. New reddit got in the way of that.
the final nail for me happened long ago. the site has genuinely sucked for years. all the content in the top subreddits is basically ChatGPT generated rage bait, so many subreddits have turned into right wing shitholes, and Reddit themselves have proven time and time again that they do not care about their users. as always their greed has gotten the best of them
the exact same thing happened with Discord. I've actually disabled my Discord account and only use my Reddit out of habit at this point
privacy badger, ghostery, ublock origins, etc...
afaik this is only reddit activity, so they’re going to be able to track anything and everything no matter what privacy addons you’re using if you’re logged in
Fuck spez. Aaron never would have done this
Aaron was also only with the company for like 3 months.
I still mourn him. Such an avoidable tragedy.
Fuck the US government for driving him to suicide
Aaron was a shitty libertarian pedo
It's not the end of the world, it's the end of the world as we know it.
Reddit is becoming a harsher place for the kind of community-driven, higher investment content that made it what it is today (which is less profitable) and a better place for mindless scrolling and sleazy engagement-baiting mostly fed by automatic content aggregators (which is more profitable).
Plenty of communities will remain due to inertia: switching platforms is hard. As far as I'm concerned, I will keep using reddit for two reasons: and to check in on a few communities that I am actually engaged in.
Well, I've kept my reddit account as I use it occasionally from desktop... Guess it's time to finally say goodbye.
So what's the current method for overwriting and removing comments before account deletion?
I left reddit in the big exodus and a few day ago I started deleting my messages. I've been a prolific (average of 10-20 comments per day) commenter for 13 years , and deleting apparently still hasn't finished.
Fuck spez, fuck all of them, I'm not leaving my content for them
Sucks to suck.
I don't like reddit... But here's my question though, since lemmy is federated and all that data is available for access... what's stopping anyone to integrate into the system, collect it all, analyze it and sell it?
Good thing it's anonymized as fuck and lemmy does not have an official app that tracks it either. Scraping isn't cheap and the upside is basically nothing.
God I wish people would actually make content here on Lemmy.
Agreed, but I think we have to be the change we want to see in the fediverse.
Reddit is shit and not being able to opt out of being tracked is shit but honestly if you can choose to block gambling ads etc that's actually pretty good
nice lol. more people will come to the fediverse!!
This was the final push I needed to make a formal break and delete my account after 9 years.
Thank god I left early
Wonderful
Penultimate, not ultimate.
The final nail will be when they kill old.nazidigg
Just installed Boost for Lemmy. I'm populating the communities now. This will take time but it looks good from here!
can someone transmit a message to a sub mobs on reddit?
I was part of the mob-team and need to send them a message for all people in the sub to move to this place, if you still in reddit, please i will give you the name of the sub, its loveforUkraine, and tell the mobs that: far-child was banned and he is now doing the same sub in Lemm,ee tell all the brothers to move there, its very good ;)
I still use self-hosted libReddit occasionally, there are some communities that completely ignore what's going on. Even though libReddit is mobile-optimized I still use Infinity (using my own API key), I actually use Eternity for Lemmy as well.
This change should motivate me to stick to libReddit and not using my account at allUsers now clicking I accept new TOS means the end of reddit. Talk about ignorance. Maybe stop obsessing over a website youre not even using anymore and be productive instead.
Noone is clicking, there is no option to agree(or disagree)
Final nail confirmed then lmao 🤣🤣🤣