Inside the AI Porn Marketplace Where Everything and Everyone Is for Sale
Inside the AI Porn Marketplace Where Everything and Everyone Is for Sale
Generative AI tools have empowered amateurs and entrepreneurs to build mind-boggling amounts of non-consensual porn.
Each of these reads like an extremely horny and angry man yelling their basest desires at Pornhub’s search function.
There is so much wrong with just the title of this article:
- What marketplace? CivitAI is free. Unstable Diffusion Discord is free. Stable Diffusion is free. All of the models and LoRAs are free to download. The only cost is a video card (even a basic one) and some time to figure this shit out.
- "Everyone is for sale". No, that's current fucking situation, where human trafficking runs rampant throughout the sex and porn industry. AI porn is conflict-free. You don't need to force an underaged, kidnapped teenager to perform a sex act in front of a camera to create AI porn.
- "For Sale". Again, where's the sale? This shit is free.
A 404 Media investigation shows that recent developments
Get the fuck outta here! This two bit blog want to call itself "a 404 Media investigation"? Maybe don't tackle subjects you have no knowledge or expertise in.
The Product
Repeat: FOR FREE! No product!
In one user’s feed, I saw eight images of the cartoon character from the children's’ show Ben 10, Gwen Tennyson, in a revealing maid’s uniform. Then, nine images of her making the “ahegao” face in front of an erect penis. Then more than a dozen images of her in bed, in pajamas, with very large breasts. Earlier the same day, that user generated dozens of innocuous images of various female celebrities in the style of red carpet or fashion magazine photos. Scrolling down further, I can see the user fixate on specific celebrities and fictional characters, Disney princesses, anime characters, and actresses, each rotated through a series of images posing them in lingerie, schoolgirl uniforms, and hardcore pornography.
Have you seen Danbooru? Or F95 Zone? This shit is out there, everywhere. Rule 34 has existed for decades. So has the literal site called "Rule 34". You remember that whole Tifa porn video that showed up in an Italian court room? Somebody had to animate that. 3D porn artists takes its donations from Patreon. Are you going to go after Patreon, too?
These dumbasses are describing things like they've been living in a rock for the past 25 years, watching cable TV with no Internet access, just NOW discovered AI porn as their first vice, and decided to write an article about it to get rid of the undeserved guilt of what they found.
What a shitty, pathetic attempt at creating some sort of moral panic.
The danbooru aspect of the "AI" moral panic is what annoys me.
So many of my friends - many of whom are amateur artists - hate computer generated images because the copyright of the artists were violated, and they weren't even asked. And I agree that does kinda suck - but - how did that happen?
Danbooru.
The art had already been "stolen" and was available online for free. Where was their morality then? For the last decade or whatever that danbooru has been up? Danbooru is who violated the copyright, not stable diffusion or whatever.
At least computer generated imagery is different, like, the stuff it was trained on was exactly their art, while this stuff, while might look like theirs, is unique. (And often with a unique number of fingers.)
And, if "copyright" is their real concern, them surely they understand that copyright only protects against someone making a profit of their work, right? Surely they'll have looked into it and they already know that "art" made by models that used copyrighted content for training are provided from being copyrighted themselves, right? And that you can only buy/sell content made from models that are in the copyright clear, surely they know all this?
No, of course not. They don't give a shit about copyright, they just got the ickies from new tech.
no one is moral panicking over ai. people just want control over their creation, whether it's profit sharing or not being used to train models.
you really can't see how an imageboard has completely different considerations over image generating models?
or that people are going after ai because there is only like a couple of models that everyone uses vs uncountable image hosts?
both danbooru and stable diffusion could violate copyright, not one or the other.
why would someone want training models to ingest their creation just to spit out free forgeries that they cannot claim the copyright to?
Just because something is free it does not mean that there is no marketplace or product. Sozial Media is generally free, but I would still call Facebook, Tiktok or Instagram a product.
Nowadays a lot of industries start out completely free, but move into paid subscription models later.
I'm guessing that the "marketplace" and "sale" refers to sites like "Mage Space" which charge money per image generated or offer subscriptions. The article mentions that the model trainers also received a percentage of earnings off of the paid renderings using their models.
Obviously you could run these models on your own, but my guess is that the crux of the article is about monetizing the work, rather than just training your own models and sharing the checkpoints.
The article is somewhat interesting as it covers the topic from an outsider's perspective more geared towards how monetization infests open sharing, but yeah the headline is kinda clickbait.
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Yep
I mean that's kind of worse though isn't it? The point I got from this is that people can make porn of celebs, exes, colleagues, whoever, super easy now. Whether you gotta pay or not is beside the point. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation and your point though?
The point I got from this is that people can make porn of celebs, exes, colleagues, whoever, super easy now.
So I can, but I could also do that without AI. People have photoshopped celebrities heads onto porn actors bodies for decades. It doesn't happen as much now because there's no point.
Realistically, what is really changed except for the tools?
A lot of the stuff you talked about is covered in the article.
Repeat: FOR FREE! No product!
If it's free, chances are you're the product. I assume that there is a market for user-generated "prompts" somewhere.
No, that's not how open-source or open-source philosophies work. They share their work because they were able to download other people's work, and sometimes people improve upon their own work.
These aren't corporations. You don't need to immediately jump to capitalistic conclusions. Just jump on Unstable Diffusion Discord or CivitAI yourself. It's all free.
There's a market for commission artists doing this for money since the dawn of art
Honestly, if the combination of AI porn + good AR + haptic fleshlights gets us to a point where horny single men with limited real-world romantic prospects can have fulfilling sex lives without having to bug any actual living women to attain them, I think the world will be a better place.
Yeah, but with the caveat that this will only make the world a better place if society chose to implicitly allow this, and actively chose not to disparage, mock, and exclude those people who want to go this path. Which, based on everything we've ever seen about society, is not going to happen.
True, but people already do 80% of that - I don't think the stigma attached to "AI-generated porn that talks to you and responds to your requests" is likely to be meaningfully greater than the stigma attached to regular porn, or to an OnlyFans where you're doing the same thing with an actual woman but clamoring for her attention with a bunch of other guys.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I mean... its not like masturbation isnt already mocked and shamed already around the world, its not like thats ever stoped the more perverted ones that have weird kinks. And even if theres legislations against it (which there hasnt been any serious one afak since the middle ages) the wankers are always gonna win, probably because they have more stamina.
Edit: now im not saying they should be legislated, imho the government has no bussines on ones sex life as long as all parts involved are concenting adults or being solo, just that they always have and probably will be shamed, why? I dont know, but probably religion has something to do there. I wont judge anybody though.
Because what the world needs now is an even more disengaged, disinterested, and misanthropic portion of the population.
Meh. If someone wants to opt out they pretty much are going to do it. Besides would you rather deal with them? Imagine if everyone you were around didn't have a means to entertain themselves at all times. They would be engaged, they would create drama, they would tell other people what they thought of them.
Sometimes in industrial equipment we put in random alarms to be triggered so the people who are supposed to stand there have to do something vs wandering around causing trouble. Especially in union plants.
Well, to rule out the "misanthropic" part one doesn't really need to have a fulfilling sex life, just meet a few people (suppose, women) who'd make them like humanity again.
About disengaged and disinterested - it's more about engagement and interest being hard.
These men used to gather on the streets and start breaking shit and kicking grannies back in the day to express their frustration. Them withdrawing to their moms basements smoking weed and jerking off to porn might not be ideal but perhaps not the worst thing either. That's why we don't see a significant uptick in crime despite the ever increasing amount of such men.
lmao that is not fulfilling
Some might think so.
I remember a guy on reddit a few years ago arguing vehemently that their hand was better than an actual living woman's vagina, to say nothing of a Fleshlight.
The denial was strong in that individual's case, but if enough incels are already in that deep it's probably gonna be enough for many of them.
Except instead they will treat ai girls as filthy as they want and then expect all women to act like that. Then not understand why they don't........ yeah pretty sure that's what's going to happen.
Makes sense. I grew up playing videogames where I would shot stuff that was in my way. That is why in real life I use a gun to get thru traffic. I also played a game for a while where I rode on the back of a lizard and ate mushrooms to grow larger. Which is pretty much my typical weekday.
For you see I have not hit the level of mental development of most 3 year olds and can not separate our playtime from the real world. Just like the hypothetical people in your example.
Now if you excuse me I plan to make bricks vanish by arranging them in a straight line wall-to-wall in my house.
Without question. The ability to have sex with something isn't going to prevent them from being socially dysfunctional and would, if anything, make it noticeably worse. You're getting off, but you still have issues talking to the other sex. They're just easier to avoid addressing now and your dolls don't demand basic respect.
I don't think I'd come out too much against it, personally. People got biological imperatives, I'm not gonna protest against dildos. But the financial and mental health crises both remain and can't be circumvented like that.
I'd push back on that and say that's fear mongering. The scenario you're describing MAY occur IF "they" don't witness social interactions with IRL girls at all, and that includes video/virtual meetups, video recordings of IRL girls interacting etc.
"They" would have to have never seen a female person in any media other than their AI sexbots, which I find incredibly unlikely that this could become the norm.
Yeah, it's a great idea, if these people don't, like, interact with the world writ large
The psychological ramifications of that are immense. It would destroy people. It would be no different than any other drug.
I for one welcome our new sexbot overlords.
I don't see how. It is just porn but more specific. You could get the same results before this but with a tiny bit more work. It should have as much impact on humanity as did on-demand streaming did. On the individual level this could maybe put an end to all the not-so-ethically produced porn.
The human reproductive rate will plummet once we can have VR with sensory input.
Future Sex is a great anthology series about it.
Ahhh, you watched the Red Dwarf episode “Better than Life”
Welp we all know you're eating steak in the Matrix.
AI porn is interesting for its extreme detail in systems that were not quite designed for it, and what has been achieved with extremely small model sizes. Like a typical chat model of what seems like an equivalent quality as far as accurate detail comprehension is two to three times larger. It is hard to objectively compare these two, but this is my intuitive/highly speculative opinion.
That said, in is hilarious how much some model checkpoints can troll someone. Let's just say, after my casual experiments to explore how LoRAs and other modifications and enhancements work, there would be many PTSD experiences for anyone that tries this. You might just find yourself reorienting your preferences every time you blink.
Also, if the option is available, you run the serious risk of it becoming an alternative lifestyle, especially amongst those that pursue an academic path and must stay free from distraction. If this is experienced at a younger age, it may remain as a permanent choice. It objectifies relationships and that may prove difficult to change.
I think you will find the only barrier to relationships is really the person in question's state of mind and willingness to put in effort. If a skateboard has aspirations to board a hundred million dollar super yacht, that's a mental health issue. However, outside of mismanaged birth policies where the sexes are disproportionately represented, I'm a strong believer that there is a skateboard for every skateboard, and at least a dock and dingy for every super yacht.
The birth rate is low enough already
You would have been into eugenics in the 1930s
I'm unconvinced by this attempt to create a moral panic. IMO nothing here is shocking or offensive once I remember that people could already use their imaginations to picture celebrities naked.
it's not like celeb porn fakes are anything new, anyway.
The main issue of this would be public defamation, i.e. wrongfully portraying someone as porn actor which might destroy their career. You cant really do that with written or drawn fiction.
But for that the pictures would have to be photorealistic, which is not the case just yet. But the tech is going to improve plus the generated images could be further manipulated (i.e. add blur/noise to the image to make it look like a bad phone picture).
Once the ability to make photo-realistic images like that becomes commonplace, those images won't be evidence of anything anymore. Now I can tell you a story about how I had sex with a celebrity, and you won't believe me because you know I easily could have made it all up. In the future I will be able to show you a 100% realistic video of me having sex with a celebrity, and you won't believe me because you'll know that I easily could have made it all up.
I kind of get what you're saying, but it's also definitely not the same as imagination. It's vivid, almost real, shareable, and permanent. Imagine if someone generated an AI image of you doing something you consider embarrassing or compromising and sent it to your coworkers or family.
That said, I don't think there's much to be done about it. This isn't containable.
To be fair, if compared to imagining something, sharing something like that with one's family would be similar to spreading rumors verbally, leading to others imagining the same thing. Which while certainly something that happens, is also behavior we already recognize as extremely rude, sometimes illegally so
already use their imaginations to picture celebrities naked.
Speak for yourself. Some of us can't do that.
The difference is that the images AIs spit out are, well, real. Imagining someone naked doesn't produce a potentially very convincing actual image that can be shared.
I do think that AI can't really be effectively regulated (my fucking laptop can run Stable Diffusion), but that doesn't mean that there's no need for a debate.
This is not a troll: zoom in on the feet of the yellow dress image. It's hilariously bad.
Oh no, the realism, it's just too much! 🤡
She has the correct amount of toes. Whats the problem?
Indeed, there is surely no demand for unrealistic porn.
Her left hand is looking kind of messed up also. Only 3 fingers... or maybe more than 3 fingers but only 3 knuckles.
People who are into mutant porn are going to love this. No matter what your prompt is, you’re nearly guaranteed to get some horrendous mutant abomination that could be from The Thing.
Oh yeah. At least they got the total amount of toes correct.
I did try out one of those image generators. Wanted a picture of two girls making out in the bathroom. The index finger of one girl was grown together with the collarbone of the other one.
Knees are also too sharp.
So there's a porn segment I've completely overlooked? Unbelievable.
This AI thing may catch on
There are different communities already, just search for /c/aigen
There's plenty of threads on /b/ with them.
What color goat are you looking for?
Cornflower blue
So I checked and nobody has put AI porn of me up for sale, yet. What the fuck, guys? Am I not desirable enough for you!?
I'm working on it
We’re saving the best until last.
Hard to fit that massive member in 1920x1080.
Welcome to the internet
Welcome to the internet
... where all monumental advances in technology are immediately sexualized and used for getting laid or viewing porn.
Pornhub is more trafficked than Amazon and Netflix, and had like 5x more visits than people on the planet last year.
Their IT infrastructure must be absolutely insane
Sexualizing everything is as old as time
Maybe we do live in the best possible world. Wow wouldn't it be great to get rid of this industry so you can consume porn while knowing that there is zero percent chance this wasn't made without their consent?
Isn't the main problem with those models how you can create porn of everyone without their consent with those tools, too?
Yeah so what. It's not as if somebody is "sold on the market" because there's a nude picture of them. Photoshop is not a real threat to society. We gotta stop making moral imaginations more important than physical things.
Ah yes, the porn industry. Paragon of morality and respect.
hmmm sweetie but what about the only fans prostitutes? Racist much?
Ethics of AI porn aside, can we talk about the Pornhub search function and how shit it is?
The trick is finding your preferred channels and just browsing those. I have a handful of channels I will happily browse for myself and a couple of channels for me and my wife to browse together.
Searching hasn't really been worth anything for quite a while. I'm more likely to find something I like by clicking a previous video that was enjoyed and scrolling through the related ones.
I do something similar. When I find a video I like I browse the playlists.
I'll just leave this here:
Automatic1111, depthmap script, image to image, click Left-right stereogram for vr or red-blue if you have old 3d glasses.
How good is the stereoscopic 3d image generation? Do you have some example SFW stereogram images produced with this process?
They are pretty good. Just don't crank the 3D up to max, as it doesn't know what is behind things in 2D images.
Ha, the image description just says "An AI-generated woman found on CivitAI" even though that's clearly the character Power from Chainsaw Man.
It’s clearly Barack Obama from the classical motion picture, Sharknado 4.
It’s like we’re looking at two completely different images.
Like I've been saying for years, AI doesn't need to be sentient to royally fuck society. Just needs to be good enough to mimic you and ruin your life or take your job.
or take your job.
The unemployment line there makes for quite the mental image.
The “Erect Horse Penis - Concept LoRA,” an image generating AI model that instantly produces images of women with erect horse penises as their genitalia, has been downloaded 16,000 times, and has an average score of five out of five stars, despite criticism from users.
Listen it's a niche market
They're also creating a lot of images of maid uniforms wearing human faces making ahegao faces while standing on massive erect penis legs.
They post the eight images that wasn't some body horror fever dream.
There's a lot of human work that goes into (and has gone into) AI art generation. It's just very obscured with just the final product.
Remember creepy people use AI. That's also why a lot of AI stuff is or seems creepy.
They’re also creating a lot of images of maid uniforms wearing human faces making ahegao faces while standing on massive erect penis legs.
Finally there is porn for me
I'm glad you finally found ✨️representation✨️
Brb, firing up stable diffusion and at least 4 LORAs
Ah, a horse collector.
There is porn on the internet! Give them the Pulitzer Prize! Nice research. You can order these on Fiverr and they do not even have NSFW filters.
Who the fuck is buying this lol, also it's considered public domain.
The problem with Public Domain is that it does not exist in most jurisdictions. There is no "Public Domain" in (edit: at least parts of) the EU, for example.
Public domain absolutely exists in the EU.
What you mean is that someone can't passively waive their rights in (most parts of) the EU. When copyright expires, the work is pretty public domain. And the EU recognises public domain from other jurisdiction. It also perfectly allows someone to license a work however they like, while retaining that copyright. Regardless of how a creator allows a work to be used, the work is still their work.
AI bots never had rights to waive. Their work is not their work.
Oh man, these guys are gonna get sued to oblivion one day.
Yeah, reminds me of the early days of limewire.
God damn is there a lot of incel vibes in these comments.
What the fuck!?
