Elon Musk publicly supports call for US to exit NATO, UN
Elon Musk publicly supports call for US to exit NATO, UN
Tech billionaire Elon Musk agreed on March 2 with a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, for the U.S. to exit NATO and the U.N.
"I agree," he wrote in response to a post from a right-wing political commentator saying "it's time" for the U.S. to leave NATO and the U.N.
The news comes after several Republican lawmakers submitted a bill on the U.S. exit from the U.N., claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration's "America First" agenda.
The U.S. was among several countries, including Russia, Belarus, Israel, and Hungary, that voted against a U.N. resolution at the end of February condemning Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.
Musk, an unelected official, currently heads the so-called U.S. Department of Government Efficiency, which has cut significant amounts of government spending, including life-saving foreign aid.
U.S. President Donald Trump has repeatedly criticized fellow NATO countries for their perceived lack of contributions to the military alliance and has called for a spending target of 5% of GDP for all members.
Kyiv sees NATO membership as a crucial safeguard against future Russian aggression, but Trump said in February that Ukraine "can forget" about joining the alliance, suggesting its bid was a trigger for the war—an argument echoed by Russian state propaganda.
If the American people had any sense they would cut the heads off their new kings.
If the US leaves the United Nations, does that mean they lose their security council veto power even if they somehow rejoin later?
Seems like something the other former global superpower, Russia, would be very happy to see happen.
I fail to see how this advances America's interests whatsoever. Republicans are huffing glue again.
That's a similar case to UK leaving the EU. They had a lot of provisions just for them - tax exempts etc. If UK decides to rejoin they will have to renegotiate the terms and EU will not want to grant them the same relief as they had in the past.
The US intentionally leaving the organizations they have domination over as a means to exert soft power globally would certainly be good for weakening the US Empire. This seems like a case where the architects of Empire failed to raise successors and as such the ones with the reigns are now "true believers" in the architects' web of lies.
Nato is the only reason we European country bought those ultra expensive F35 paying billions to purchase and operate them.
I wonder what's going to happen to the new Gernan rifles of the US military.
They’ll get expensive.
Perfect, I'd rather they step away and let us remake it into a n EU group.
Leaving the US inside the NATO still gives them veto rights.
This is not going to end well for Elon Musk.
Who gives a shit about him. This is not going to end well for everyone.
I sincerely hope not.
Who?
Leaving NATO would cost the US over $100 billion in arms sales annually, so they won't do it. But to have and eat their cake they just don't need to honour article 5
Idk, Trump already tried it at the end of his last term. These people don't have the USA's best interests in mind.
To be perfectly honest they should probably kick the US out of it
If the US leaves the UN it permanently gives up its seat in the Security Council and its veto.
Russia magically inherited the USSR's security council seat even though they are not the USSR. When the US collapses, which part gets their old seat? (I vote we give it to Canada personally)
It was a good idea to give Russia a seat to balance power. There probably should not be any vetos.
I imagine it would have to be another country with a large nuclear weapons stockpile. India comes to mind.
Good. It's faaaar past time america stops policing the world and having a seat at the big kids table, trump is a child. I do however think it's far past time Europe polices Europe, no one will ever take over the US so we have no need for the UN. We don't need to pay for all those other countries defenses or be involved in theor policies. Let them sort it out.
(talking about governors) "I prefer the bad ones over the dumb ones, because the bad sometimes rest" cit.
Leaving the UN would mean giving up US veto power. This would be one of the stupidest decisions of all time. No wonder Elon wants to do it.
Name one time US veto power was used for good.
For making an argument to appeal to musk, that's besides the point. In fact because the veto power being used for bad it is probably is a more appealing point
Maybe they used it to object to serving English food for lunch once. That's probably the only time it'd be justified
Mostly it's just the USA vetoing anything including the word Palestine, except for this one time in March last year China vetoed something including the word Palestine so the USA didn't even get the chance. Here's a list of Vetoes with links to the documents HERE
warning: some of them can be a little doom-foreboding so maybe don't read it if you enjoy your sanity
Given the only UN Vetoes since 1989 were from USA, Russia, or China they haven't been used for much good in general, but there was this one time in January 1990 that they vetoed a denouncement by Nicaragua over the US invasion of Panama following the military general's takeover and abuse of power to deal in drugs and human trafficking.
Although there is the nuance that he, General Manuel Noriega, and other militant factions had ties to US Intelligence before that.
Although there is the nuance that he murdered those other factions upon taking power.
Although there is the nuance that he and others also had ties to multiple other intelligence agencies around the world.
Although there is the nuance that the only reason Nicaragua had anything to do with any of this is that the USA ended up moving troops through the Nicaraguan Embassy in Panama and beating up Nicaraguan Envoys who tried to stop them.
Although there is the nuance that the heavily armed US Troops in an active war zone showed great restraint in not seriously wounding or killing any of the men during the brawl.
Although there is the nuance that the US Troops supposedly stole a bunch of stuff while they were there.
Although there is the nuance that throughout all of this, the Nicaraguan envoy Ferrey spoke very favorably of Panama's then brutal, newly formed, militarty dictatorship who, as I mentioned before, ran a lot of drugs and human trafficking operations. The military were probably searching for somebody that they didn't find, assuming the Nicaraguan's to be co-conspirators.
Fun fact, the document LINK HERE still lists the full name of the USSR in 1990 lol.
good point, they will be out of UNSC as well.
Will no one rid us of this treasonous billionaire?
Which treasonous billionaire? There's dozens to choose from.
Will no one rid me of these meddlesome billionaires, comrade
Public supports calls for Elon Musk to leave US, and Earth
No please wait until after the US left those groups. They have been blocking so much important stuff for decades, i cant wait for the UN to get rid of the US. Then you can guillotine him.
FUCK THIS GUY SO HARD. I swear to god this lunatic needs to be stopped.
This lunatic is a danger for the world. He is an unelected unaccountable person with the power of the presidency. It’s terrifying.
Preferably a bullet
Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.
claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration
Checks out.
It's kinda like Brexit
Except even the UK at it's most anti-EU still understood that NATO and the UN helped them more than it cost them.
The strength of the US as a power and economy would be devastated if they forfeited their standing in those organizations. Particularly the UN hardly demands anything of the US but broadly caters to US sentiment. It's a super cheap channel to exercise US soft power.
Basically destroy all things that made the US a world leader.
Note how he did not say that it doesn't align with the US.
I publicly support ejecting this unelected scumbag from our country.
To once again prove how much of an utter dumbfuck both of these guys are.
The United States (along with UK) were the first two members of NATO. Making them the founders, so the United States is a founder. If Trump cared about there being an "America First", this should have been no concern of him because it was after-all part of an American idea.
The United States (along with other countries) was the original founding member that started the United Nations. If Trump cared about there again being an "America First" agenda, this also should never have been a concern since this was an American idea.
America apparently is not a priority when you consider these facts. It's more like "Trump First" than "America First".
America First was the slogan of the isolationist/anti-interventionist/pro-Hitler forces of the US in the 1930’s and the 1940’s. History never repeats itself, but it rhymes. I think many Americans are not aware that there is a substantial segment of the population that agrees with Hitler’s original thesis and just feel that he executed the war poorly. The Nazi rhetoric and holocaust denials are very deliberate and the destruction of the liberal world order that formed in the aftermath of World War II is the ultimate goal. I’ve strongly felt that the Ukraine war was the single most important issue in the 2024 election and the common goal of destroying the western led world order is what the project 2025 team, Trump, Putin, and Tucker Carlson all have in common.
The USA have never been so weak and so alone. Seems like a good time to exit NATO
Lol who could even come close to taking over the US? The whole of Europe would have a near impossible time.
... which has cut significant amounts of government spending...
Has it, though? I mean, even its own over-inflated "receipts" are barely a microscopic percentage of a drop of the overall budget.
Yes, please. Removing the US from NATO has the advantage that countries like Ukraine and Georgia can sooner join NATO. Since Russia is hostile to them, Trump (who is a Russian asset) would never let them join NATO. Getting the US out of NATO removes Trump's vote.
The US can no longer be expected to fulfill its obligations to NATO anyway, so removing the US doesn't decrease NATO's total defensive power. Trump has said he would refuse to help unless other NATO countries increase spending (which is happening slowly, but not yet). Trump would never deploy the military to defend against any attack by Putin. He may even deploy the military to assist Putin.
Trump has said he would refuse to help unless other NATO countries increase spending (which is happening slowly, but not yet).
the u.s. itself doesn't even spend what the fucktard wants other nato countries to spend on defence (five percent gdp). and some proposed cuts would actually put u.s. defence spending below even the current nato target of two percent gdp.
It's terrifying to see these madmen ruining organizations created solely for peacekeeping and conflict aversion.
I hope this won't come to fruition. No, let me rectify... THIS CANNOT COME TO FRUITION. In contrast to what many Americans think, the distance between Russia and the U.S is 55 miles away. 55 miles between Alaska and Russia. Why would one think that Russia won't stop after they completed the checkmarks in knocks on wood Alexandr Dughin's "The Basis of Geopolitics(1997)" thesis?
Considering they broke several ceasefires and agreements/treaties/memorandums, why would one think they wouldn't have pretenses of annexing Alaska back, hence reverting the purchase by force from the U.S? (View the Alaska Purchase 1867 sale)
Let that sink in and meditate upon the requirement of an organization meant to halt The Russian Federation expansion.
Trump will find a way to give Russia Alaska back. If and when Trump needs more money for legal fees, he'll willingly sell Alaska for a few million.
Musk is a moron, instead of the US leaving NATO, why not just move. He can just go to Mars as far as I'm concerned.
He never wanted Mars or any scientific endeavors, he just wanted public adoration, that's all he's ever wanted. He paid hundreds of billions just to get to a place where he can try to influence as many people as possible into liking him.
B/c if he can make the US like Russia, he can achieve his obvious goal of becoming the world's first trillionaire w/in the next 3.5 years. At that point, he will probably just become a shadow king... I mean more-so that he already is.
FWIW, I think it's funny that the macOS dictionary doesn't recognize "trillionaire" as a legit word. Of course, it shouldn't be, but we all know it's inevitable.
Isolationism won't make America safer, just lonelier on the global stage.
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Wait until the US dives deeper into the fuck around part and countries start putting sanctions on them.
Russia isn't going to be buying a pile of Musk's shitty Cyberlemons.
Why the fuck should we care what he says?!
Because he has unchecked power in our government. It's important to pay close attention to what he says and does, so we can figure out the best ways to remove him.
I publicly support deporting this laminated-faced welfare queen.
May as well. At least then the cowards can't block Ukraine from joining NATO because they're scared shitless of Putin.
He’s such a clown. Who is a citizen.
He is a citizen. Now, there is some evidence he may have obtained that citizenship under false pretenses, but as of now he is legally a US citizen.
NATO I can understand, but why UN? Un would be a mistake