How you y'all feel about 196?

Very unhappy with the change, I probably won't go to the .world community and expect/hope that someone will just recreate 196 on Blåhaj.

Every interaction I've had with .world mods has rubbed me the wrong way, they don't take criticism well and are way to keen to appeal to centrist bullshit and shitty lib takes. Blåhaj is my favourite space on the internet at the moment because of the way Ada manages things, I feel safe here. That the 196 mods have a problem with that sends a pretty concerning message imo.

yep. the only thing i would add is that theres already too much content on .world. we need to spread content out horizontally instead of just centralizing it on the biggest instance.
- Excellent point
~~I feel like im missing something here; i though 196 was already part of blahaj.zone? Is this more drama from pug?~~

Oh fuck all of this nonsense. They can try to build their own 196 (with blackjack and hookers) elsewhere if they want, why tf are they being allowed to tank the existing 196!?
- All/most of the mods seemed onboard with it, so the community would need to find new mods if it were to remain open. I would be willing to help mod such a com, but I'm not willing to spearhead it. I don't want to stretch myself thin.
  
  My guess is that the 196 mods decided to do this because they have lemmy.world friends who got banned from blahaj.zone. There has been a growing disconnect between some frequent posters of 196, and the rest of the community. They post good stuff and might even contribute a majority of the content on some days, but they also have edgier sensibilities and higher tolerances for bullshit. This situation doesn't seem ideological to the mods because their motivation is personal. However, personal relationships play a larger role in our beliefs than most people think.
  
  The mistake the mods made was assuming the queer culture of 196 would transfer over to .world. I highly doubt this will happen after folks got used to blahaj.zone for over a year. Many queer users won't like the new 196, and as new users join, blahaj.zone users will leave. Given the reactions here, I doubt they can do much now to stop that from happening.

Something about 196 being on a non-queer instance feels wrong. I can't explain it. Maybe it's because there are a lot of queer-positive posts on 196? Not sure. Meh, whatever. I think I have a vague idea of why they're moving away and quite honestly, if they want to bend to people wanting to stir shit, then maybe we're better off without them.

(Iirc the gist of it is that there was a troll who claimed to be "dragon gender" or something (which included that drag's pronouns were "drag"). Drag said a lot of nasty shit, stirred up drama, etc. People decided that was a good excuse to misgender drag and become the arbiters of what a "proper gender" is. People misgendering drag got banned, then got pissy and cried about it. In the meantime, drag was also banned at that point, it was mainly people stirring shit at that point. I'm pretty sure 196 is moving away from blähaj.zone because afaik Ada takes a zero tolerance stance on intentionally misgendering people; regardless of whether or not someone's a troll.)

Quite honestly I'm kinda at the point where I'm considering quitting Lemmy entirely. Between the drama, doomposting, trolls and increase in general dickishness, it's honestly getting really bad for my mental health.

Do what is best for you, but it is my favourite social media. The best of the bad. Apart from random forums, the rest is just so infuriating to me.
Wait, this is over friggen redacted by Cracks???

my head hurts.

Edit: Not sure it's wise or fair to call out the user specifically at this stage, so I removed that. If you read Mossy's comment and have been on 196 for any amount of time, you'll know. And it would be more about reactions to them, anyway.
- Oh the people bent out of shape over it are relentless. They've been beating the wardrums since one of them got a timeout a while ago.
hey there, just weighing in. Neopronouns were not a factor in our decision. In addition, malicious misgendering has always been something that constitutes a removal or ban. this choice was in no way and attempt to reduce the queerness of 196
- Random opinion: It would be wise to edit the post in LBZ 196, or make a new pinned comment, describing the rationale re: differences in moderation approaches more directly (at minimum, see the thread).
  
  People are jumping right to other, less nuanced takes of the situation. I did too before digging deeper - the disagreements are subtler than what folks think they are right now.
  
  I still think you and your team are making a mistake overall, but that's beside the point. As you obviously know, people are pissed and the vague description doesn't help at all.
  
  Do with this as you will. Sincerely, best of luck - this is probably a rough time for you folks too, and I know you're just people doing what you think is best.
- Would you perhaps like to expand on that? Right now it appears hot on the tail of the dragon drama, which, considering from what I saw the majority of it revolved around people trying to misgender drag or ridicule drag's identity, leads me to the conclusion that you didn't like how Ada handled it and implies you yourselves believe that it's alright to misgender someone if you believe their gender is just another troll.
- Respectfully, get bent

i left .world because of their shitty admins and the problems they cause smaller instances. the moderation leaves much to be desired, they have shitty takes, they do whatever they feel like and i dont trust them any more than i trust a site like reddit.

as for 196, i liked the memes, i didnt really interact with the space much as it already felt less "blahaj zone" than the rest of the comms i interact with, so with them moving to .world, i doubt it will get better, and i doubt i will ever want to interact with that comm anymore. it was kinda shitty to not include the community whatsoever, but that kind of behavior is the exact kind i expect from .world mods so i guess they will fit right in.

very much agreed. 196 felt like the odd one out on the plaza of popular communities in general, being on comfy cozy blahaj zone.

whatcha think of special version of 196 for blahaj frens? i saw some peeps here suggesting it and i rllli like the idea!

imagine: u look at post and it makes sense and u go "ah yes, this was made be a genuine human, not a possibly selfish, queerphobic capitalist" and then u add emoticons like ["<3", ">v<", "~ ~ ~"] to ur comment to make it extra special.

i like that idea...
- i wont participate in the .world 196, and i feel like i will miss the memes over there, so having something like that here would be cool, but i think we should try to make it somewhat distinct, call it 197 or something idk, i would be willing to help mod if we had a decent team, providing a space for my cool nerdy and cute trans fedi friends is something im all about, and wish i could do more of.

big sad feels ;(

i will not join the 196 on the not blahaj zone! GRRRR >:3

i wan the 196 to be all local and comfy. i wan it to feel like home, with all u cuties and non-cuties-but-still-amazing-peeps in it!

i don wan the 196 to be on generic world instance. will join if there be a local 196 blahaj version!

imagine the COMFY FEELS knowing that U PEEPS made the funi im looking at!! <3

It makes me so sad, and the bottom image is an accurate representation of how I feel about it. It sucks that they made this decision without involving the community at all, and even though they say they're on good terms with Ada, some of the comment chains in the announcement post make me think that there's some bitterness on the mods' part. Ada has always been so nice and patient, even when 196 clogged up Blahaj's entire frontpage, or when it didn't have enough mods to handle a growing community. And if the mods don't like how an instance is run, what gives them the right to just take the entire community and move it somewhere else?

I came to Lemmy when Reddit committed to their API nonsense, and it always had this promise of being better than Reddit. Decentralisation was a big part of that promise. Moving 196 to the largest (I think?) Lemmy instance is the opposite of that. Blahaj feels small, local, cosy, and welcoming, like small concerts in some guy's basement. 196 always had the same vibes, and the move to .world will probably change that. That scares me because I really liked these vibes.

idk, I'm just rambling and none of it makes a whole lot of sense. I think I'll take a break for a few days, wait for whatever is gonna happen next, check out the new 196 on .world in a while, and maybe the old 196 is gonna come back somehow.

I blocked the .world 196 community, safe to say I'm not a fan 🤷‍♀️

I don’t get .world posts in my feed and will miss 196, but my internet quality of life has improved overall.

What happened? I though it was a good place and also I don't .world is fit for 196.

Same here - if anyone has a breakdown of what these 'moderatorial and ideological differences' are that are part of how this is being justified, that would be awesome.

Hell, even just examples of where the clashes were would help me out a lot.

Edit: To those seeing this comment who are also out of the loop, recommend starting here: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/12464713

I don't see why folks can't make their own 196 on each instance. (Maybe there is some reason for not specifically using "196" as the name, but a "196 themed" community.) Even back in Reddit you'd have subreddits that were things like "blah2" or "blah_casual" made by folks unsatisfied with the mods of the previous community. People can use either one or both if they'd like.

The original subreddit was 195 or 194, so you aren't wrong. I hope it happens, but people need to step up if they want that. I would be willing to help, but I couldn't do it alone.

Wow. This is sad. I didn't even know 196 was going to migrate before this. I'd probably see it on All once in a while but I don't think I'd join the community.

I unfollowed every .world community I was previously following, then blocked .world entirely during the pre-backtrack period of their "we wanna do what Facebook is doing" announcement. I did unblock it later, but I'm not following anything on that instance, including 196. I don't believe what Moss and all them said about their talk with the lemmy world admins, I think eventually when they try again with the moderation change, they'll enforce it on 196 anyway, despite promising to let them moderate with their own rules. I also don't like that instance having the most content, which is just going to balloon up even more with 196's memes, since it starts going against the whole point of the fediverse, the decentralization aspect. If people start saying "well Lemmy world has the 'best admins' and the most communities so why make this community on another instance?", that's gonna have an effect, you know?

I just feel disheartened.

Also yes, I was a rule breaker, basically never posted there despite seeing it every day, but like half the memes I just downloaded and sent to my friends' dms. So 196 did account for a big chunk of my Lemmy activity.

I noticed they were somewhat unwilling to/incapable of removing comments that were mildly transphobic a while ago so while I'm disappointed that they are gutting 196 instead of new mods being introduced I'm not surprised.

like u said on another comment, Id also be willing to mod a new 196 but not spearhead it :3 (and thanks for teaching me a new word X3) and I think a new 196 on blahaj is the best option, either that or the old 196 comes back along with the old mods (which doesnt seem like they will anyway) and I already didnt like them but now I dont trust them at all, maybe it could be called 197 like back in Reddit X3 or just '196 Blahaj' to differentiate it from other 196s in other instances

The X3s are confusing. Is that a person, times 3, or an emoticon I don’t recognize???
- yeh its just 'XD' but with the ':3' kitty mouth, which people stopped using in like 2012 but Im still obsessed with it X3

Will you continue to use 196 on lemmy.world?

Probably not, and if I do it will be mostly lurking.

If they had involved the community from the start, I would've been fine with it (tho I heavy dislike .world). Then again, it would not have happened, had they put it to a poll.

The way it happened now, they've lost most of my trust and all of my goodwill. I'll not move. I hope we get the local 196 unlocked under new management, or otherwise we might have to create a new one.

Already blocked lemmy.world's 196. Sad to see Moss make 196 jump ship, but if what's important to Moss is visibility to as many instances as possible at the expense of user experience, then I don't think we need that community here anyway. We can always revive ours, or make a new one c:

[email protected]

I do not get the rational behind it, i get what they said, but it doesn’t clear anything up because it’s so vague.

I’m not convinced of the necessity of the move and I’m not really attached in anyway to the mod team, not saying I don’t appreciate the work they’ve done, I just have no strong attachment to them being in charge of moderation, so why would I pick up and fallow them? There’s another 196 on here now so no reason to go fallow them to .world.

Also, I’m hesitant to see large communities get concentrated on .world, it’s already large and making it larger seems risky, like putting too many eggs in one basket. If something happens to it and a lot of important communities are based there, then that kind of puts a huge gaping hole in lemmy as a whole. Better to have things distributed more evenly across other instances for the sake of resiliency.

I am in the process of switching my account from world to blahaj. So I'm not particularly happy about this change.

I'll use the new 196 as a passive viewer, but I'm unlikely to post or comment after this change.

i’ll continue to browse the one here, and i’ll refuse to put foot on l.w. That’s an incredibly wrong move.

That was Reddit aah behavior by mods.

the whole thing was bizarre and unnecessary! kind of casted a lot of doubt on the integrity mod team for me. the onehundredninetysix community has been pretty cool and I'll keep sending posts their way

I guess the positive side to this is I will be much more productive at work without 196.

all in all it doesn't really matter, I don't think. Nothing much will change. I just really loved that fact that there was a popular community not on .world. I liked it being spread out.

I feel like less might've changed if it had been another instance AND the community was given a heads up. It does seem like the mods really are willing to tolerate more than Ada, which would change things more gradually.

Having only found out about it from this thread i feel i can give a perfectly authoritative and unwaveringly confident answer: eh. But seriously, I'm cool if they just want to leave blahaj, but going to world? Just why? To to literally anywhere else.

The .world MUST grow! /j

If the community stays the same, I don't see the harm. The community of 196 has always been a mix of folks from various instances, I don't think its host instance matters all that much comparatively.

I wish it didn't have to come to this, but I can't fault the mods for using the fediverse for what it was made for.

I do wish it was a different instance. Having all the big communities in one instance is concerning. I guess they weren't willing to put in the effort to go anywhere else.

On top of that, lemmy.world has a bit of a reputation as less queer friendly, as it tries to accommodate for more conservative techies. I've personally run into an awful lot of respectability centrists who refuse to listen to the concerns of minorities. They think we're overreacting, and that's very upsetting because it comes off as gaslighting. Many of them are just in denial about the state of the world; unwilling to challenge their own perception of the world as a just place.
- Way too many people subscribe to the idea of "if I don't hear about it then it isn't happening." No, bitch, it's happening, and it's a hell of a lot worse than you think. It's the only way I can imagine that people truly, unironically believe that LGBT people, especially trans people, are just "overreacting".
  
  Or to put it another way, they're the kinda people who'd unironically believe that a tree doesn't make a sound when it falls in the forest, and then get pissed off when a physicist tells them that the tree makes a sound no matter what.
- yesyesyes, that is not a very decentralized move on their part. at this point we are making just another reddit but open. which is better, but not as cool as it could be.
  
  :o
  
  imagine how cool it'd be if all major instances have their own comfy cool popular communities and they just like - interact with one another!!! :ooooo
  
  literally the goal behind fediverse kinda <3
- On top of that, lemmy.world has a bit of a reputation as less queer friendly, as it tries to accommodate for more conservative techies. I've personally run into an awful lot of respectability centrists who refuse to listen to the concerns of minorities. They think we're overreacting, and that's very upsetting because it comes off as gaslighting. Many of them are just in denial about the state of the world; unwilling to challenge their own perception of the world as a just place.
  
  1000% my experience

196 moderation is just so dramatic. some creature likes to fuck dragons, a different user hates dragon fuckers, the whole sub goes on defense about why fucking dragons is or isn't acceptable, and now that's the content for a solid week.

but yeah, i get it: it's a special place and special places require care to keep them special. still, any time there's the slightest drama i have to mute that whole sub for a week if i don't want to be dragged into it. i wish i didn't have to: i wish we could magically have the special place without the drama.

anyway no: i'm not going to lemmy.world. migrating instances is largely orthogonal to my (minor) qualms with that community, and 50% of my interactions with lemmy.world have resulted in me blocking one of their users: there's just way too much toxicity over there. i'll hang around the new [email protected] for a bit and just spend more time in whichever of the two has better vibes.

Tbh this just led to me instance blocking .world and .ml. Thinking about how the move made realize how pretty much every bad interaction I've had on the fediverse was in those two instances.

The issue is that there are still a lot of blahaj.zone regulars with .world accounts. I only switched over recently. There are also good communities like [email protected] and [email protected]
- Still see users from those instances on ones I don't have filtered, afaik

Hey y'all @[email protected] here.

Lmao.

user doesn't exist :3 ?
- Old mod before me
- I deleted my account a few months ago because of 196, as well as trolls using neopronouns to stir shit up on blahaj.