Driving in Manhattan is for truck deliveries and taxis only.
If you try to drive a car from point to point in Manhattan, you're an asshole.
Car owner.
Public transportation in the USA sucks shit and it should be improved before unleashing a congestion toll.
I take it you've never heard of new york, then?
NYC has one of the biggest public transportation systems ever built
Yeah that's a good point. Also, the congestion pricing could fund improvement to public transport And motivate a change in perspective for the residents.
Wendover productions did an interesting video on this recently.
What I've read says that you aren't charged unless you cross the boundary. If you reside inside the zone and never leave and enter again, you won't be charged a toll.
Even better, he's north of the boundary. It ends at 60th st.
Congestion fees are a very capitalist way of solving it. This law basically exists for everyone except rich people (i,e. Those who can afford to pay fees).
All this is based on a false assumption that money has an objective value. But in reality, 1$ means different things for different classes.
Yes but the money goes 100% to public transit so it benefits the lower income public transport commuters too.
I mean, you are right and the fee should be proportional to wealth, but it is not gonna affect the poor people because they use the public transit. Maybe anywhere else in the US may be true that "even the homeless need/have a car" but NYC would be the exception.
Awww he might have to go on the big scary subway and desk with the poors.. A sad day indeed
Love how this is in the one US city where you need a car the least as far as I know. You've got the subway, the sidewalks, cabs... I mean sure, the latter exists in the form of ride sharing apps basically everywhere now, but NYC had cabs even in old movies. Though I suspect most other cities of any real size had them as well
I dunno about NYC but Chicago has a pretty large and diverse public transit system.
That said the first bus I got onto in Chicago clearly hit a parked car that was too far over the line and the driver just sorta shrugged and kept on truckin'.
There are buses too. Last time I visited NYC I used buses all the time. They were clean, frequent, cheap, and I had great conversations with other passengers. 10/10.
The cabs actually get a surcharge for the congestion pricing but who cares.
His kids live on 79th street and he will have to pay congestion price every time he goes to see them.
So like, what, Christmas and their birthdays?
Just take the 6 like 2 stops you absolute donkey
I looked on the map. That overlooks Central Park.
If your home overlooks Central Park, I'm pretty sure you can afford a congestion charge.
Isn't the point of the congestion fee to relieve congestion? Each person that says "this fee is stupid & I'm not paying" is one less vehicle in the area.
Sounds like a win.
That is indeed the goal, but there is still a PR battle to be had on the issue.
To my knowledge this is the first time that congestion pricing has been implemented in North-America, and how people react to this will decide whether other North-American cities are willing to take the risk and do the same thing. Over the next couple of months there will likely be a lot of opinion pieces and articles that try to make you think that the congestion pricing is a failure and should be reversed.
Edit: typo
I hope they don't react the same way they did when roundabouts (rotaries/traffic circles) were introduced. Another thing that is only a problem in America and works well in many other countries.
The congestion zone starts at 60th Street and heads south, so traveling from 61st - 79th street won't even encounter the congestion pricing. This guy is dumb on so many levels.
EDIT: I just looked it up on a map and 61st is a one way going west towards Central Park, so if you enter 61st from Madison Ave, you're forced to exit at 5th Ave and go south entering the zone, which I guess is this guy's problem?. I also looked up the guy and he's a CEO Real Estate developer, so he's living in a multi-million dollar place right next to Central Park and can't afford to pay $9 because his private parking spot in his building forces him to drive into the congestion pricing zone. Come on!
Wait, it's 9 dollars?
Oh my God. I thought it was cheap. This poor bastard, does he have a GoFundMe I can donate to? This is highway robbery, it's going to drive him straight to the poor house or worse the public transportation system!
Maybe he's a shady CEO scared his shit business practices will get him capped so he avoids all public transit.
Another case of the big bad gubberment hurting the little guy!
I was wondering if there was more to the story. Like, maybe he has a disability and NYC doesn't have an exemption for disabilities. They do, however, have an exemption for disabilities as well as a reduced rate for low income residents. To me it sounds like this guy is just lazy.
Looking at this on Google Maps, he can get anywhere on 76th St using one bus or subway ride and a 5-10 minute walk.
Zero sympathy.
Wow, I can't believe you'd suggest subjecting this poor man to something as horrible as being forced to use a public bus.
Dude: "I wish traffic in my area wasn't so bad"
Genie: "Ok, people driving in your area will be financially penalized for using their car instead of public transit, therefore alleviating traffic."
Dude: "hey wait, I want an exception made for me! I am special. I am the main character, I should be the only one driving a car!"
Genie: "That was your third wish. Goodbye."
Imagine if we got this sort of coverage whenever someone was inconvenienced by public transit being cut, or a bike lane being blocked, or fares being raised.
But that doesn't manufacture consent for the corporate dictatorship?
Isn't that less than two miles away?
I suppose he could also have to travel down 79th a bit, but Manhattan is only about 2 miles wide anyway, right? So like...worst case scenario, a four mile walk.
Okay. That would be a significant walk. Probably an hour or two. But in NYC, how likely is it that you can get to your car, travel to your destination four miles away, find parking, and then walk to your destination (1) in less than an hour, and (2) for less than $9?
Get a bike, bro. Or hey, I hear New York has this fancy new doohickey called a "subway."
Isn’t that less than two miles away?
I have a coworker who lives less than two kilometers from work and he complained that our workplace doesn't have enough parking spots. There is a bus stop right in front of our building and two bus routes connecting to his neighbourhood, yet he refuses to ever take the bus
It's about a 24 minute walk or a 17 minute journey by bus
For me, a brisk walk is 5.2 km/h (at 8% grade, 135 strides/minute, and I'm totally sweaty after 30 minutes, it would take me about 45 to go 2 miles) because I'm short and 65. With my husband, we would take over an hour because he can only drive his wheelchair so fast before the vibrations make him lose control of his lip-joystick. Add in crappy curbcuts for another 10 minutes. I (or we) would take the bus because I'm not a privileged idiot like him, (and the subway is still not wheelchair accessible) but you should also be aware of your own privilege of youth, stride length, and health.
You expect this man to mingle with the poors? What if he had to talk to someone or got bumped into? Perish the thought of this man interacting with anyone below his socioeconomic status.
Well he says it's 18 blocks so probably a straight shot up 5th. It's a 20 minute walk and he can go through the park if he likes.
Are blocks shorter in new york? Where i live each block is a quarter mile
Blocks are a quarter mile where you are? That's huge!
In Chicago, they are an 8th of a mile, which usually means blocks are 2x2 big buildings downtown.
On average, a city block is 1/20 of a mile. But that can vary greatly depending on direction (N/S vs E/W) and location in the city.
https://streeteasy.com/blog/how-many-nyc-blocks-are-in-one-mile/
I don't live in New York. But it was my understanding that most cities with numbered streets generally adhered to 10 street numbers = one mile. 79 - 61 = 18 = 1.8 miles.
Dude is complaining because even though he just lives out side of the zone he still has to pay the fee even when he travels north to 79th which is also outside zone. That area is all one way streets and if he wants to go north he has to travel south first into the zone and then he can turn around and drive to 79th. Though I have zero sympathy if you can afford to live right next to Central Park you can afford to pay the fee hundreds of times per week.
Yeah he could also walk like 1 block north.
I drove once in NYC. Never again. I'd gladly walk 3x that distance to avoid having to use a car. Or, ya know, use (gasp) public transportation.
Nobody drives in NYC! Too much traffic.
I drove in Kuala Lumpur once, traffic was crazy, super crowded, improvised lanes and bumper to bumper traffic with motorbikes going all over the place. LMAO no are you kidding? I didn't drive, I used their awesome metro system I got a week card for cheap so I could go all around the city without even thinking about it.
it's almost like that's the point of congestion pricing
Also, where the fuck is he finding a place to park on E 79th St. anyway?
See, this is another thing that this congestion pricing will help alleviate: driving around several blocks for an hour, looking for a spot, wasting fuel and polluting.
Property shark CEO inconvencied. Sad trombone.
It’s hard to believe this is real. Who would try a car for a trip like that? It would be so inconvenient
I don't it's real? But there are definitely some annoying yuppies over there in that area.
You underestimate how car-brained Americans are. If a destination is more than a few blocks away, most people will hop in their car without a second thought.
They may take our lives, but they will never take our DRIVING 18 BLOCKS TO SEE OUR CHILDREN
Can somebody share a better measurement than "18 blocks" for the rest of the world?
A block can vary, but in a city like NY a safe estimate is 0.1 mile per block. So 18 blocks is something like 1.8 miles or 2-3 km.
It's you-shoud-probaby-walk-this-distance-for-your-health walking distance.
He's less than a block from the N R W line too. Such an inconvenience.
A "block" is not a fixed measurement, it is the distance between cross streets in a grid. They have blocks in Europe and people definitely understand the concept in my experience.
I understand the concept of a block (even if they don't really exist in my city), but that doesn't really give me an idea of the actual distance, so it's a pretty useless information to me. Using proper standard metrics makes much more sense.
Its also significantly worse for Manhattan because depending on if you turn 90 degrees its like 4.5 times the distance.
North South blocks in Manhattan are fairly uniform, and a standard measurement there. Just hard to get across to someone that doesn't know
It bugs me when screenshots are posted by themselves.
Here's 10 min of work getting all sources in the screenshot.
Reddit - r/NewYorkCity
X - ScooterCasterNY
Youtube - FredomNews.TVIn the video clip, the guy explains he's not paying to go 18 blocks. He's paying because the one-way streets force him to go south one block, charging the $9, before he can go anywhere north. That is understandably annoying.
It is annoying and expensive, but owning and regularly using a car in the densest part of the densest city in the country should be annoying and expensive. If he likes driving so much he should move somewhere else or pay the cost of his driving to the city, and considering he lives on the upper east side he can probably afford it.
Yes but he's a multimillionaire so that makes his complaint irrelevant.
He chooses to pay a congestion fee to travel because he's wealthy.
He's mad because he's a CEO and probably believes from the bottom of his heart that he shouldn't have to pay that fee the way everyone else does.
To quote Immortal Technique "only little people pay all these taxes fees."
There are some issues with the way they've implemented congestion pricing, in my infrequently-visits-NYC mind, but this complaint is outside of them.
He could walk, but I can also see why he might not want to. It's more than I would probably want to walk.
Biking is also an option, although maybe biking is uncomfortable or inconvenient for him for some reason. Also, I don't know what the biking infrastructure is like in that area. Maybe it's not ideal. I don't know if e-bikes are allowed in bike lanes, but if they are, that might be an option.
He could take the subway. That's probably what I would do, although I've never been on the New York subway. I only know about it through its portrayals in various media, which is often negative. I've heard it described as "a public toilet in rails." I can't personally speak to how accurate that is, that's just what I've heard.
I think making better cities requires a holistic approach. It's not just about having more bike lanes, or public transportation, it's about designing cities for maximum efficiency and convenience, and for the promotion of maximum health and well being. I think cars are a symptom of our skewed priorities, not necessarily the root cause of the problem themselves. I think we need to change our priorities, first and foremost.
This is right next to Central Park. He could ride his bike (or his e-bike) through what is widely considered one of the most beautiful urban parks in the world without having to worry about cars or red lights.
The subway is also fine. It's by no means a public toilet on rails. The platforms are a bit grungy, but inside the cars it's comparable to London or Paris.
In addition to the subway, there are no less than 4 bus routes along Madison & 5th Avenues.
If that's true then it sounds like this man has a lot of options, and hopefully he will recognize the benefits to availing himself of one or more of these options.
Why is a person with a scooter emoji next to their name and the word "scooter" in their handle going to bat for fucking cars
I thought the congestion pricing starts at 60th down to the south of Manhattan. Why would he have tolls to go north, away from the congestion pricing zone? I just plugged the corner of 61st and fifth into Google with directions to 79th and told it to avoid tolls, and it plotted a direct route north with an 8 minute drive.
An I confused on the boundary of the zone?
