I don’t think anyone is saying he’s good. They’re just saying “holy shit, even this this insane guy who is so bad is anti-Trump”
He's evil af but intelligent and informed enough to know that his own personal well-being is better served by perpetuating the current system rather than forcing the nation into some dystopian MAGA authoritarian hell hole.
The thing is it legitimizes them.
This isn't a new or unique problem.
I think Israel's government sucks, I say it a lot. Sometimes a Nazi agrees with me. I don't say "even Nazis hate Israel".
I tell the Nazi to shut the fuck up, and that were not on the same team.
Before Biden dropped out, sometimes I'd criticize him and a trumper would show up and agree with me. I never said "even trump supporters think Biden is a shitty candidate".
I told them to fuck off and we weren't on the same team.
So when Dick Cheney shows up to say Kamala's right and trump is bad...
I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum. Ideally she could actually hold him accountable for some of his war crimes.
I dont want to see everyone talk about how things were better when Republicans were like Dick Cheney. Because shit was fucked up even back before Reagan was in office.
I don't see it as legitimizing anything. MAGA pundits are even now calling Cheney of all people a RINO. Don't interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake. If this pushes some Republicans to vote for Harris, wonderful. If it discourages some moderates from voting for Trump by not voting (WHY would they still be voting for him as moderate...but that's a different topic), then that still helps. She should just not acknowledge his endorsement, let it fall where it will. Any attention is going to hurt someone's feelings, and there's already the problem of people on the left who can't have their perfect utopia with Harris and somehow think her not winning will help their cause.
The mental gymnastics are real, careful you don't hurt yourself.
This is a trash analogy because everyone knows Nazis hate Israel, it's part of their ideology.
A former republican vice president endorsing a democratic president candidate is note worthy because it's goes faint their ideology.
That you choose to reach for Nazis to make your argument is the clearest Godwin Law I've witnessed in a long time.
You're gonna have to try harder 🤡
I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum
Are we talking about the same Kamala Harris who defined John McCain a "war hero", a "true patriot" and a "conscience of the Senate"?
So when Dick Cheney shows up to say Kamala’s right and trump is bad…
I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum
I wonder if Dems always choke in Presidential races because they have people like you as their chief strategists, where vague concepts of noble virtue and ideological purity supersede pragmatism at the most crucial moment.
I can't possibly imagine being so privileged that I could get an endorsement from a former Republican VP during an incredibly close race and my response to him would be "fuck off".
Cheney is not a fascist.
Cheney is not a white supremacist.
Cheney respects the constitution.
Cheney is not a good guy.
Cheney is a ruthless piece of shit.
Cheney is a war criminal.
Cheney shot his friend.All of the above are true statements.
Not super sure about the constitution one, but fairly on point.
Yeah, I'd argue that being a war criminal is kind of against the spirit of almost every constitution.
Agreed on all fronts except the third, more like:
Cheney realized as VP, he doesn’t have much oversight so doesn’t need to break the constitution.
who TF said he was good now, he's just jumping the ship before it fucking explodes.
Not even jumping ship, ship left without them.
All aboard on the ghost ship of cannibal rats
It’s possible to hate Dick Cheney’s politics but also to agree with him that Trump is an autocrat who attempted a coup, and that’s dangerous.
We also probably agree that a post-coffee morning shit is satisfying.
People forget conservative politics are deeply personal. Dick Cheney being anti trump has everything to do with Liz Cheney being canceled by MAGA and is largely probably not a principled stance
Endorsing Harris: +10
Everything else he's done: -999999Missed a few 999999
Cheney is a demon sent from hell to torment people on earth.
If he's on the kamala train I'm off it
So the friend of your enemy is your enemy?
Literally nobody is saying this. You're full of shit.
I hate the NPC Wojack meme with an intense passion. It's such a strawman trap. All it does is reduce the opposition to unthinking robots so they can attacked on their credibility rather than the merits of their actual arguments.
In this case, the media isn't saying Dick Cheney is a good guy now because he endorsed Harris. They're saying it's a surprising stance to take for the former VP of a Republican administration. It would be like having Al Gore come out and endorse Trump for President.
OP is 100% full of shit and more like an NPC than any of these media outlets.
Return2ozma ;)
It's like the shit-source these days.
Nobody literally says everything in Trump or GOP memes either. Semantic debatelords only show up when the meme is negative against Democrats.
Conservatives are pretending they were always against Cheney. It's weird.
Conservatives are trying whatever they can to make people not vote for their opponents
I think the real take away is that even Dick Cheney and Bernie Sanders agree Kamala Harris is the better candidate.
That's a big F'ng tent.
can we get an actual quote of these sources supposedly saying he's a good guy? or are we supposed to just believe it cause someone photoshopped a speech bubble on a bunch of logos?
The rehabilitation of wealthy and powerful people with a disgusting past happens, not with fanfares and explicit exposition, but with gradual normalisation.
They are given platforms on respected media. Their opinion is sought on the current bête noire. They are given all this oxygen without ever having to account for their sins. All they have to do is play nice and rigidly follow the establishment consensus. Soon enough, once a commensurate (to the sins) amount of news cycles passes they'll be dignitaries again.
No source on the quotes about him being a good guy, but I assume this is in response to the story that he's planning to vote for Harris, according to his daughter.
i know but whoever says this makes him a good guy
It's like when The Joker realized Red Skull was an actual Nazi and Defected.
I mean... The Joker is regularly portrayed as being a fan of eugenics and other fascist philosophies.
Their tropes are a bit different. Joker's MO is to try and convince people that they're just as fucked up as he is right before he eggs them on to do some kind of Saw Movie tier horror, while Red Skull likes to think he's simply better than everyone else and entitled to pull the trigger himself. But they're both sociopaths and serial killers. You don't get bonus points for being Antideutsche while giggling your way through a massacre.
Can I see a clip of BET praising Dick Cheney?
They let him drop some bars on 106 & Park's freestyle friday
Just because someone aligns with any viewpoint does not make him a good guy.
See Stalin and soviets.
What does this mean though?
Fighting alongside allied forces in WWII, soviets were not the good guys.
Dick Cheney will not be absolved of his sins by recommending Harris either.
The strategy of prominent Republicans flipping to vote for Harris is specifically designed to help Republicans win Congress.
If Republican voters are demoralized by the prospect of Trump, a lot are going to just stay home and not vote at all. That would lead to a Democratic electoral sweep.
Cheney and other Republican ghouls’ best option to avoid this is to give permission to their voting base to toss their Presidential vote to Harris, but also get them into the polls so they can be reliable Republican voters down the ticket and try to keep the House and take the Senate.
FFS, quit giving the enemy oxygen.
Think of it as seeing rats abandoning a sinking vessel.
Obligatory reminder that Dick Cheney literally does not have a heart or pulse: his heart was replaced by a continuous flow pump.
Kind of ableist but it is funny
Its only ableist because he is still alive.
They've been saying it indirectly for several years with their fawning over his daughter who has near-identical policy positions.
Including with regards to torture and the Iraq war, which she's still calling necessary and beneficial.
right media also switched him from bad to good now? doubt
Every president is a war criminal 😎
But some definitely more than others
William Henry Harrison wasn't a war criminal. At least not while he was president.
🎵 Every broke motherfucker finna form a gang
And when we come we taking everything 🎵
I don't think Fox News is saying anything about him voting for Harris and if they are, it's not positive.
I think Cheney and most pre-Gingrich Republicans have a commitment to the preservation of the Constitution and the Republic. Once Gingrich the philanderer came in and switched the Republican Party into all partisanship mode, things changed and people who don't put the Constitution first started seeping into the party.
Cheney was an establishment in the party long before that, so he still has those values.
But a commitment to preserve and defend the Constitution is probably the only thing I have in common with him. I welcome him insofar as that. Harris will do that. Trump will not.
For example, I don't think it's cool to shoot your friends in the face with a shotgun. Also I'm not a big fan of wars for oil.
Source?
Return2ozma
Ie made up garbage-tier agitprop.
No one is saying that "now he's a good guy".
Quite the opposite from what I've seen. They've been all saying "If Dick Cheney...one of the most divisive republicans of modern times, says that Trump is a threat...we should probably fucking listen."
It's like The Joker teaming up with Batman because even HE thinks The Riddler is "a bit much"
Not at all happening, he's just correct once
If anything this shows that trump isn’t just evil, he is just bad, as in incompetent bad, or like, your idiot AND evil cousin Donny bad.
No.
I think he's just less weird than most of his friends. I don't think we need to call him a good guy.
The bar just fell that far.
Maybe he’ll take up painting, too.
lol you fucking idiots loved him when he was actually committing war crimes. That said, I have yet to see anyone praise him.
That said, I have yet to see anyone praise him.
As someone who lived through 9/11, I remember quite a few folks praising and fawning over him. He was a chronic guest of the Sunday Morning politics talk shows at least until the big GOP defeat in 2006. And he kept getting interviewed on fairly favorable terms, as a critic of Obama's relatively dovish foreign policy, well into Obama's first term. FOX News anchors practically tripped over each other lauding him well into 2016.
He never got the proper "honorable man" / "he kept us safe" retconning that Bush Jr received. Nobody is doing 30 minute segments sitting with Cheney and talking to him about his passion for water colors of feet. But until Trump took the Presidency and really turned the neoconservative movement upside down, it was easy enough to find friendly coverage of the former VP.
I meant to say 8 have nor heard any democrats praising him.
The DNC is now the party of the neocons. Maybe Trump is so bad it's "necessary" but arguably in a two party duopoly that's effectively a sealed system, you're just swapping voters with the GOP to wind up still relatively 50/50, and I'm skeptical there's a geographical advantage to upper-crust, legitimately evil former republicans, who don't care for Trump's uncouth antics, as presumably most of those voters live in districts that are already blue-ish. You're literally giving up pro-peace voters in random districts across the country, potentially in tightly contested congressional districts, to run up your VA margin of victory.
No, he's maybe not a good guy. But he can make least-worse decisions at times.
Unlike the republicans, a person's worth doesn't coincide with their congruence but their congruence coincides with their worth.
Seems like they are concerned that if Dementia DonOLD wins they're going to be put on his hit list. It's a valid concern.
