Russian woman traveling to the US through Mexico complains that everyone hates Russians.
Russian woman traveling to the US through Mexico complains that everyone hates Russians.
That’s probably because your president is committing mass genocide of Ukrainians by abducting 700,000 of their children to be raised as Russians.
Do you think a random Russian citizen who is trying to leave Russia has anything to do with this?
Many of the people trying to leave Russia are against the war. It is idiotic to shame civilians who have little to no power to stop the actions of their oligarch run government.
She says:
I can't stand it anymore because our real nationality is strong
Not sure what to make of this. We only have a video of an upset girl. Is she being treated unfairly? Who the fuck knows. All I know is that it plays perfectly into the Kremlin's propaganda: We are the good guys and the world hates us for no good reason.
itt: a bunch of people spoiled by the fortune of not meeting enough actual Russians. They are overwhelmingly supportive of the war as it is fully aligned with the nation’s imperialistic identity, one that existed long before Putin was even born. Russia has amazing, brilliant, heroic opposition activists which are a slim minority, I’ve been told less than 1%. The rest are mostly like this woman (or worse)
Do you think a random Russian citizen who is trying to leave Russia has anything to do with this?
No but that's not a defence for her entitlement. Did she say "look,I totally despise what Russia ia doing in Ukrainians and how its undermining other countires and I don't supoort that".. No, not once did she say that.. Fuck her. I'll save my empathy for the folks slaughtered in Bucha.
I know they're subject to censorship, misinformation, and propaganda at home, but the Russian people still widely support the violent invasion and illegal war on Ukraine. That's why the world doesn't hold a positive view of Russians.
Regardless, this person was simply answering the question and not personally blaming a single Russian immigrant, so why are you shooting the messenger?
I completely agree. Not all people are as open minded. I know an Israeli-American with dual citizenship that protested Netanyahu at NYU. People are absolutely not defined by their government. Russian elections are clearly rigged, so it’s even less likely she’s in favor of Putin. I wouldn’t criticize her unless she personally spoke in support of his actions. Unfortunately, I know enough people to be aware that it’s just not how everyone operates.
It's also sending swarms of kgb assets into western countries to fuck with, media, elections, sabotage etc. There should be a MUCH higher barrier of entry for Russians
The killings / rape / torture is not just the president's deeds.
I watched it a few times and I think I broke the code. She's talking like the issue is that she's suffering all this anti-Russian-person racism everywhere she goes, but it's pretty unlikely that anything like that is happening. But something made her upset.
I think she wants to come into the US, and US immigration doesn't want her to, and she identifies that as "hatred" for the Russians because she's supposed to be able to do whatever she wants because she's Russian, not have to do some kind of dodge through Mexico and not like these Mexicans and Brazilians that she mentions. She feels humiliated that she has to ask permission, and maybe the answer will be no fuck off get lost.
Honestly, I will be the last person to say that US immigration is always decent and fair. But someone not being nice to you or treating you special is not the same as them hating you. If you want to say US immigration is being a pain in the ass and it's unfair that it's gonna fuck up your life, then fine. But saying you need to be exempt from it because you're Russian specifically, makes you into a special specific kind of person.
Yeah, I get some similar feeling when she goes into the expected strength of her passport and nation. “Because I’m Russian these things should not be a problem because Russia is strong.” While basically implying that people should ignore all the negatives of carrying a Russian passport.
I’ll offer the caveat that US citizens can face the same issues for the same reasons because we do dumb invasion shit, but there are debatable differences. I’ve been to a couple countries where Russia has moved in and pulled a “West” and built their hotels and resorts, but my experience is while the locals weren’t going to be happy about either west/russia doing it, when the Russians move in you get local corruption coupled with Russian corruption and mafia-like behavior. The US businesses make attempts at appeasing and working with locals, even if it’s mostly lip service. Russians just say fuck you, this is ours now.
but we never do aggressive things
Holy snapping duckshit you’re so far removed from reality that you’re in your own separate omniverse and that’s absolutely impossible
Eh.... I mean, she's talking about Russians, not Russia. Like, how individuals act. I think that there's probably a case that judging national character based on country policy is kinda frustrating. You go back a couple hundred years, and it was pretty common for Empire A to go take over nearby Country B if it could. I think most people had a national leader somewhere back in time who probably did some fairly unpleasant stuff.
Like, Putin's running Russia. And Putin's Russian. And Putin affects a lot of Russians, and has a lot of ability to direct the actions of a lot of Russians. But Putin also isn't what it means to be Russian.
Like, say you're German, and Hitler is in power, right? I mean, I'm not saying that there weren't Germans who didn't do some pretty unpleasant stuff during that period. Or that people weren't pretty pissed at Germans at that point. But, like...Hitler also isn't what it means to be German.
Here are a bunch of Russians that came over to the US or their kids.
Isaac Asimov, Michael Bay, Bernie Sanders. I think that most people aren't gonna say "Ah, Russia is doing X, so they are bad people". She didn't make the call to attack Ukraine. She's not killing people in Ukraine. She's not even in Russia...in fact, it sounds like she's in Mexico because she's trying to leave Russia, which I imagine isn't all that easy. Like, she's upset because she's being judged on her nationality. I mean, I get that.
Taking out anger at Putin on her doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Your Hitler example is perfect IMO. There were many beyond Hitler in Germany that deserved the hatred directed at them whether directly through horrific acts or indirectly due to their apathy or ignorance. The civilians in the towns directly adjacent to liberated concentration camps were forced by allied forces to aid in the cleanup and recovery of the camps and their victims. Many of these 'innocent Germans' expressed outrage at their 'undeserved' treatment like as seen in this video. They didn't deserve sympathy either.
At a certain point 'I am just an innocent wittle civilian who has done nothing wrong' is a cop-out. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good [people] should do nothing" -Burke.
To be clear this isn't to justify warcrimes on civilians. It is merely to say her crocodile tears fall on deaf ears.
@tal @don True, but there is also the argument (somewhat theoretical) that, if these people had stayed where they were, they might have changed the course of history. Maybe. Or not. We might also have completely lost them and their contributions to the world. Who's to say? And, no, leaving Russia is not easy right now. She's risking not just her life, but that of family left behind. It's brutal to live in Russia now.
When the people do not know what their government is doing they cannot understand why others hate them. Nationality can be a badge of honor and a hood over your eyes.
About 20 years ago I read this:
Americans say, "I don't know why people hate us", and that is why people hate Americans.
The Chinese government are enabling and committing horrors of their own. Yet everyone would be crying racism if there was general hatred of Chinese people
Tepid take: there's probably more racism against Chinese people in America than Russians.
Exactly! See how Americans behave, exactly like this girl.
Oh the good ol whataboutism.
Never a truer word spoken
"Y'all hade us cuz y'aint us"
No, that would be your terrorist government who has destabilised the entire planet to line their own greedy evil pockets
it's the invading of soverign nations... multiple times....
oh and all the war crimes
That this lady had no part in it and is actually trying to leave their country because of it, even leaving their families behind. Notice how she says Russians in Russia are always angry and she's looking for a calmer place to live in. The main reason for their complaint is that even though they left all the angry Russians behind, they are now facing a not-so-much bigoted and racist behaviour in a place they hoped to find less aggressive life.
And here we have these guys in the comments foaming "FAFO" in their mouths without any indicator that this Russian person has anything to do with the Russian government or ultranationalist populace, where she left behind, any more than the peace-loving U..S. citizens' being complicit in the mess their military-industry run government's actions.
Yes, riiiiiiight - as well as my grandparent generation had noooothing to do with the things that happened here in Germany during WW2.
I would get it if she'd acknowledge what her country does and state that she doesn't agree with Russia invading other countries. But this tearful "everyone treats us soooo bad", blaming everyone else.... fuck, no.
we never do aggressive things
Lady, some guys are at the door looking for you, asking "WTF?!?" In Chechen, Ossetian, and Ukrainian... Oh wait there's a guy loudly yelling in Finnish coming around the corner with his buddies from Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania... OMG they've got torches and pitchforks, saying that they're looking for their friends on this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022–2024)
I do realize that she's talking about individual Russians not being aggressive. And I know that I shouldn't find it so funny, that she's having this wake up call from the world... But I find it absolutely hilarious. You want others to like you? How about treating people better? And if your country's the problem then revolt.
You want others to like you? How about treating people better?
From a certain perspective, what she and others like her are saying is - "I hate being treated the way we treat others" - which is a lazy, mindless posture as old as time itself.
Now why would the world hate russia, hmmm? Could it be the war and killing you do in Ukraine? The threats against other democracies? The bullying of other countries and persons? The megalomaniac tendencies of that monkey putin?
No sympathy from me...
It is really difficult to believe morons like this exist.
I would argue that most people are almost completely oblivious to the world around them. This lady has been fed pro Russian propaganda her whole life so of course the real world is shocking. How could everything she was taught be wrong?
Instead of whining to the camera, they could just do a quick google search, with all the same questions, instead of blaming the whole world.
Instead, we got this "why are people so mean to russians, we are the best" overdramatic nonsense, because her daddy's money couldn't buy her something in the real world.
These are, of course, assumptions.
I know but they swamped my country when the war started and I can tell you with full and tragic confidence that this is legit (and even worse, typical)
Why are they a moron?
Because you have to be so deep up your own ass to purposefully ignore information about the atrocities committed by your country, that you could probably see the light through your mouth.
I sort kind of undertand brainwashed russians living in a russian bubble, with no access to outside information. Fine, you're fed shit all your life, so that's the only desert you've had and that's the only desert you want/need.
But this moron is out in the free world, and simply cannot underatand why, oh why could people be weary of russians? Truly the pinnacle of evolution.
Russains here hate Russians
NGL that was funny af.
I don't hate Russians. I'm not fond of Russia though.
Oh boy. This is a tough one.
In one part every citizen is in small part accountable for their government, if nothing else then through inaction. Then again they might be leaving their country, because they or their family member took action. With all this hate will it decrease the chance of somebody taking action?
But what if we look at this from East European perspective? They were under Soviet boot for decades as second rate citizens in their own country. Russians controlling everyting through inserted puppet government. Russians spoke alot about comradeship, but their stance was clear that Russians were higher breed. Do they have more right to hate every Russian?
Hate is nothing new to Russians, they see it everywhere, due to the countries history of agressive foreign policies and spy operations.
This makes me think this is just a propaganda bit. Primarily aimed for domestic use. "Don't leave Russia, they'll just hate you."
This makes me think this is just a propaganda bit.
This seems like the most likely case. Could be official or volunteer because they think it will get them brownie points for a real propaganda job.
I try to put myself in their situation. As much as I am against this stupid war and Putin, if I was born in a country under dictatorship, I'd probably be brainwashed or too afraid to speak my mind too.
I think this is one of the few entry points for other Russians to start a conversation and maybe question your propaganda based selfimage
Classic white monkey post
Get used to it lady.
What a puzzling predickamint
If more Americans visited Europe they'd understand
That bitch learns the true meaning of FAFO.
Well hope she gets send back to Russia.
Cannot fathom the selective hatred and racism here. Is everyone racist to every nationality every time their government does something abhorrent? Where is the hatred towards North Korean escapees? Where is the hatred towards the Chinese around the world? I could go on.. do you hate many Africans because their governments kill people for being gay?
Somehow seemingly only Russian people are villified around the world for the actions of the government
It's not racist to laugh at the irony.
@ryannathans @LaFinlandia not Hitler and Putin alone are evil, but all people who support them.
Take responsibility!We should start punishing north korean escapees too then?
Yeah. People just like hating on "evil" nations and she's here as a representative and open for people to start trashing her, so yeehaw here we go. Personally I've actually really liked Russians on an individual level any time I have interacted with them; they're generally kind of cocky / abrasive I guess, but they get shit done.
Also, she's coming across as kind of a bad person which makes it easy to start bashing her. But yeah I mostly agree with you. She didn't war crime anybody that we know of. I mean I'm from America; if we started bashing people for the war crimes their governments were committing I'd have to be at the head of the line.
First off as an American I can assure you I have run into plenty of people who hate Americans for shit our government has done. As for Russians a lot of Russians support Putin so in turn a lot of people assume all Russians support the invasion so in turn most folks will have a bit of disdain for Russians.
The only Russian who's really earned the hatred is Putin, I'm not surprised his sycophants are feeling pressured.
Hexbear and .ml seem equally as dismayed, constantly lashing out with violent rhetoric.
Patently false. There are many, many who earned their infamy. All those involved in the kidnapping of children, the rapists, those firing on civilians, and all the leadership encouraging all these reprehensible acts to name a few.
@YeetPics @LaFinlandia Disagree totally. He's the #1 cause, yes, but he is not the only one. He could not do this without help, and he's had plenty. He's enlisted people from Bulgaria, Turkey, and other countries who specialize in atrocities and torture. He's allowed violent criminals out of prisons to go to war. He has help. They need to pay for their crimes, too. #WarCrimes #PutinWarCriminal #RussiaUkraineWar #RussianInvasion
Is it equally as valid to hate Chinese people because of the atrocities that occurred under Xi?
Something tells me that hating an ethnic group because their government leadership feeds them half truths is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Then again half the political discussions I've seen on Lemmy end with calling to nuke entire hemispheres of the planet, maybe this level of nuance doesn't fit here lmao.
That's like saying only Hitler was bad in Nazi Germany. And before the whole "NoT EvErY RuSsIaN" argument comes up: silence is compliance! The Russians who are truly against what their country is doing already left in 2022, before the mobilization. Everyone else who is not actively fighting their regime is complicit.