Americans are recognizing we must do more for Palestine and are signaling dissatisfaction with the party, as they did in 2008
What happens in November is up to Biden – it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do? And does it value its voters enough to shift away from an approach to the onslaught in Gaza that a majority of Democratic voters are against?
I’m just tryna vote for the lesser, by far, of two evils. It’s a fucking binary system, you can stomp your feet all you want and still get a genocide and possibly much worse, or you can at least preserve hope for a better future.
Same but in the mean time I'm going to continue to donate and help push for progressives and those who keep fighting to get rid of the bullshit first past the post voting system and electoral college bullshit.
Voting Biden in gives us time to take all this energy we're mustering up and using it to promote broader, more significant changes. We don't stop at the election and instead use the next four years to push toward a better tomorrow.
Too many people are stopping at Trump v. Biden. Too many more are stopping at Them v "The System".
Change takes time. When you vote for Biden, you vote to reset the clock, and then it's time for all of us to get to work.
Exactly. If Trump wins, he will outright BAN the Democratic Party, at worst. We will all either be Republicans, or we will be prisoners. And if that happens, the only group with the means to oppose him and the GOP Fascists is gone. And yes, the DNC absolutely has the means. They have all the tools they need. Now, I will admit that they lack the will to use those tools, but if Trump wins they'll never get the chance to use them.
Can you explain how you expect to push for a better tomorrow after Biden is re-elected?
The reason I am reluctant to vote for Biden is that he is supporting genocide. If Biden continues to give away large quantities of child-exploding bombs, and he is still rewarded with reelection, then what leverage will the anti-genocide movement have left?
It seems like if Biden can ignore the anti-genocide movement and still win, then we can expect Biden to keep ignoring for 4 more years.
Hope for whom? A better future for whom? If personal selfishness outweighs the value of humanity, then we’ve already lost, and the outcome of the election is irrelevant.
Lesser of two evils works when we're talking about blocking universal healthcare or police reform. When you use that bullshit to justify pulling the lever for genocide, you just don't care that much about genocide.
And when you use that justification to enable someone who's going to increase support of that genocide what does that make you? Sure sounds like you're supporting more genocide than a Biden voter is.
You're standing in a room with two levers. If you pull the left one, five people die. If you pull the right one, ten people die. If you don't pull one, it's random, either five or ten people die.
So if you choose not to pull, and ten people die, would you feel guilty for the five additional people? You could have prevented their deaths.
Glad to see the goldfish memory of voters who missed what happened the last 4 times this has happened. I'm sure it'll fix it this time and isn't just a recurring right-wing strategy to alienate voters on the left with propaganda.
it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do?
If you fear him, why would you not assist in preventing his rise?
If you give a shit about Palestine, why would you not support the better candidate for them? You think Trump will do anything to make this situation better?
The logical fallacy at play here is so glaring I can't believe these journalists are willing to put their name to it.
You're out to sea if you think it would be any better under Trump. It would be the same. Palestine is fucked, but we don't have to let Dems get away with genocide with zero consequences.
Are you talking about the time Trump said the genocide is a bad look? Trump might not have a moral conscience, but at least he is has a political self-preservation instinct. Biden is blind-walking over a cliff in his genocidal determination.
But not the people who chose someone supporting genocidal actions instead of the people demanding better.
It’s this simple, if all of y’all who spend your time trying to convince those of us who don’t want to support sending Israel all the weaponry they want, while defending them against the consequences of their own actions, while using our money to do so, and having Israel use $13b a year of our money to do so, would instead work with us, we could actually make a change:
And if at the end of the day that causes us to lose, it means that America is full of people who support this and they should get their way.
At least we find out where we really stand.
You guys spend all day trying to drag us to the side of “ Okay with sending bombs to kill more children.”, maybe you could drag people to the side of “Let’s not send more bombs to kill kids:”
I know which side I am staying on, and if we get outvoted, such is democracy.
People demanding better is not a side, and thus cannot win. The let's not bomb kids side has zero power. Your choice is between bombing kids and bombing more kids. Enabling the bombing more kids side means your fake morals outweigh the sloppy real-world political situation that actually exists.
Your house is on fire. You are standing equidistant from a full petrol can and a bucket of water, and you're deciding not to act because neither is the perfect solution.
It won't be the protest voters fault of Trump is elected but it would be something they could have prevented. Four more years of radical conservative judge appointments would create generations of degradation of women and minority group rights.
If that happens, protest voters could have prevented it, the DNC could have prevented it, Biden himself could have prevented it, all of the state governors and state legislators who didn't fix gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts could have prevented it. You and I could have prevented it if we had gone door-to-door to get more people to the polling places. And so on.
It's easy to say that any one group could have prevented it, but how do you choose who to target when doing so?
I'm voting for Biden. Harm reduction as the article said. But, I have a much better understanding of why people would protest vote after reading the article.
And if Trump wins 2024, we can't put all of the blame on protest voters, when Democrats aren't listening to their base.
US democracy is weak. With first past the post voting, a two party system is inevitable. But not voting Biden because he is "genocidal" is the dumbest excuse ever.
Fight to change the voting system, but don't fight it by getting a literal fascist elected. Because that's what you are responsible for if you don't vote.
What's dumb is putting "genocidal" in scare quotes and acting like genocide is not actually that big of a deal. I won't vote for Biden or Trump because I value my vote too much to give it to an evil scumbag, red or blue. I'll vote for Jill Stein or Cornel West.
With this reality looming, many Democratic party loyalists are panicked about the “leave it blank” movement, in which hundreds of thousands of voters have marked “uncommitted” on their primary ballots to protest against US support of Israel’s war on Gaza.
The protest vote is a moral and strategic position that challenges the establishment, delegitimizes the two-party system, and invalidates the assumption that the party line is the voter’s only consideration.
Last month, in primaries in Michigan, Hawaii, Minnesota and Washington, more than 200,000 voters cast “uncommitted” anti-war protest votes, demanding that Biden call for a ceasefire to the horrifying, US-financed genocide in Gaza and an end to Israeli occupation.
In 2008, for instance, Barack Obama was denied a line on the ballot in the Michigan primaries, making Hillary Clinton the only option for Democratic voters.
That margin signaled trouble for the Clinton establishment, and the fact that a majority of those uncommitted votes were cast by Black and young people suggested a potential upset that would soon materialize: Obama went on to win the primaries and delegate counts that would make him the party’s candidate.
As we scroll social media through endless images of death, starvation, grief and the devastation of critical institutions like hospitals and schools, Americans are recognizing we must do more for Palestine.
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Welcome to Dumbass City, population: everyone itt saying that not voting biden in the primaries will somehow get trump elected xD yall are legit just as stupid as trump supporters, you straight up have no idea how primaries work but you're too proud and too blindly, unshakably loyal to admit it cx vote uncommitted or vote for genocide, those are your options and you've made your opinions very clear on the matter. Have a shit day! Hope you trip and fall into a thorny bush :3
Democrats demand party unity but will unify only to the center while the republicans keep moving the center further to the right. They like to claim that the left is doing purity testing, but democrats are the biggest purity testers, where you have to do things their way or they say you're being unreasonable and unrealistic and they will probably label you a republican in secret or a russian asset for daring to hold a different opinion.
No it's going to be their fault. If we lose Social Security, Medicare, public schooling, basically every social safety net, any regulatory power the government has, and a right to free and fair elections then that will absolutely be on them. They've said that those things don't matter to them in this scenario. If you're for the destruction of all that then fuck you. It's pretty simple.
If you vote blue or left no matter what then you minimize your reach and power. When the elected officials have to work for your vote is when your vote matters. Biden or trump palestine issue isnt gonna change just like foreign policy hasnt changed blue or red. At the very least youd punish biden and set precedence moving forward. We clearly also need reform so we dont end up with two terrible human beings.
It's not a binary issue. Both left wing protest voters and the dems are wrong IMO.
(obvs in some states your vote doesn't make a difference so have at it, protest away)
Anyone who is more willing to work with someone who is ok with supporting the people who killed 10’s of thousands of innocent people, rather than someone who isn’t is a complete fucking moron and deserves whatever we get if trump gets elected.
Anyone against voting uncommitted supports genocide, plain and simple. There's no other explanation, Biden doesn't even lose anything from those votes, it just let's him know that his base is pissed about him supporting genocide. Vote uncommitted or for a less zionist candidate, if you don't or you're against this then your position on Gaza is clear. What other reason would there be to oppose that?