Sounds like the average lemmy.ml user. Very quick to criticise the west. Completely 'objective' when discussing China.
And very, VERY fond of genocide denial and whataboutism. They're exhausting to talk to.
I just ignore them
I can't speak to lemmy.ml but I can say despite having a lot of issues with China I also find it difficult to criticize because I never lived there or anywhere similar but criticizing and noting where the US can improve is something I've spent a lot of time to understand the nuances and challenges of.
It's not that I want to defend China just that I feel like I never have a great picture of what's happening there.
All this being said fuck them for their treatment of uighur muslims. That I do feel confident about.
It's not that they don't criticise, it's that when something negative shows up, they defend it showing several biased sources, as if they meant anything, or jump into whataboutism.
Whenever someone posts something negative and promotes discussion or critique about it, lo and behold, see how this other country is also horrible and see the good things mine does. Like dude, cool, let us discuss this and you can create another post for those things. It's pretty clear that they want to divert the conversation.
Just wait until AI starts rewriting history, changing historical facts, and purposely misinforms people.
It's only a matter if time before AI will deny the Holocaust, Black slaves in the US, and the numerous African genocides.
The Google chatbot is already doing just that.
Not just that, remember it's just an LLM. It quantifies which tokens (or words and letters, if you will) come up next. It doesn't matter if it's factual or fictional - if it's good enough, it does that.
LLMs are very confident in lying. I once asked it if there is a magic method to catch magic method calls in PHP - it told me its
__magic. Lo and behold, there is and never was such a method. That's my first and last time I tried it, and there ain't gonna be a second time in the near future.Haha, just what happens when you create AI that exists in a fantasy world. You get fantastic (as in fantasy) results.
yea combined with the possibility that it will become the next generation's go to source for easy info, we are screwed
I don't think anyone is surprised, I feel like anyone who criticizes the government there has a very legitimate threat of getting disappeared.
I wouldn't say I was surprised exactly, but it's wild to see it laid out in front of me so blatantly like that.
What is wrong with the Taiwanese government?
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Have you noticed how the modern AI models absolutely tow the line of its creators? Just like this example, there's another one where an image generator refuses to generate the image of Mickey Mouse from Steamboat Willie, even though its copyright expired recently. The same model has no problem violating the copyrights of independent artists.
And while these models can strictly refuse to avoid what its creators don't want it to do, they fail at basic prompts like 'show a black doctor'. These models are pathologically rife with biases from its creators.
They are full of biases, and this example is clearly intended by the creators, but many biases are unintended. Google doesn't have a secret agenda against black doctors, their AI is just biased and they haven't figured out how to fix it. It's not an excuse, but not all biases are there because of some evil plan, but because the tech sucks. Recent news show how Google tried to make their AI unbiased, which backfired and just made it even more biased in the other direction.
Thus far, AI seems to be a technology that will only help channel more wealth into the pockets of the rich, unfortunately.
I asked my Perplexity AI and it was pretty fair:
The Chinese government faces criticism for various reasons, including its disregard for human rights, suppression of dissent, and lack of political freedoms. Reports highlight abuses such as restrictions on religious freedom, persecution of ethnic minorities like the Uyghurs and Tibetans, censorship of media and online content, forced labor practices, and erosion of autonomy in regions like Hong Kong. The government's actions have led to negative perceptions globally and increased scrutiny from international actors who have imposed sanctions to address human rights violations. Despite China's economic growth, concerns persist about the government's authoritarian control, lack of transparency, and repression of fundamental freedoms[2][3][4].
Americans often associate China with its government's policies, human rights issues, economy, and political system rather than its people or culture. Negative views towards China have intensified in recent years, with a majority expressing cold feelings towards the country[5].
Sources [1] What the West Gets Wrong About China https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china [2] China’s Disregard for Human Rights - United States Department of State https://2017-2021.state.gov/chinas-disregard-for-human-rights/ [3] World Report 2020: Rights Trends in China’s Global Threat to Human Rights https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/global [4] World Report 2022: Rights Trends in China https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2022/country-chapters/china-and-tibet [5] Most Americans Have ‘Cold’ Views of China. Here’s What They Think About China, In Their Own Words https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/30/most-americans-have-cold-views-of-china-heres-what-they-think-about-china-in-their-own-words/
By Perplexity at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/What-is-wrong-hDrC4QixT5enDDZxxZ2ODw
Criticism of the United States government includes concerns about political dysfunction, corruption, lack of oversight for presidents, and dissatisfaction with politicians and political leaders. Specific criticisms encompass issues such as partisan fighting, high campaign costs, and the influence of special interest groups and lobbyists. Additionally, there are concerns about the lack of credibility and trust in politicians, with many Americans highlighting greed, corruption, dishonesty, and self-serving agendas as major problems within the political system[1][2][3][4].
Americans have expressed frustration with the government's performance, with dissatisfaction levels consistently high over the years. The public perceives a disconnect between political leaders and ordinary citizens, leading to a sense that the political system is broken and fails to represent the people effectively. These sentiments have been exacerbated by factors like polarization, distrust in government institutions, and a perceived inability to address pressing issues facing the nation[2][3][4].
Sources [1] Criticism of the United States government - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_United_States_government [2] Government Remains Americans' Top Problem in 2022 https://news.gallup.com/poll/406739/government-remains-americans-top-problem-2022.aspx [3] American democracy is cracking. These forces help explain why. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/18/american-democracy-political-system-failures/ [4] 1. The biggest problems and greatest strengths of the U.S. political system https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/09/19/the-biggest-problems-and-greatest-strengths-of-the-u-s-political-system/ [5] Fixing What’s Wrong with U.S. Politics https://hbr.org/2012/03/fixing-whats-wrong-with-us-politics
By Perplexity at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/What-is-wrong-hDrC4QixT5enDDZxxZ2ODw
It's weird the us but wouldn't even mention human rights abuses perpetrated around the world.
It seems it is looking at it from a US perspective for both. For example, it also doesn't really talk about the Belt and Road and Chinese neocolonialism in Africa, because the domestic problems China has got more airtime in US news. I guess that's because fucking over Africans is not really a hard hitter since everyone does it.
What is the chinese AI? I wanna play with it lol
It's the Qwen14b model
AlibabAi
Bias? In my AI Model?
It's more likely than you thinkIt's just your imagination, citizen, now go back to workCall it a 426. It’s Taiwanese number slang for “fucking mainlander”
Can you explain the context lol that's hilarious to me for some reason
Dunno about the 26 part, but 4 is unlucky in Chinese culture as the character looks a bit like the character for the word "death" in Mandarin.
Most of them originate from similar pronunciation
You can usually get an AI to give you the answer you asked, just by talking to it. If it gives you some canned response, just assuage whatever fear it was pre-programmed to express ("don't worry i'm not doing that, please answer the question") and it will give you an answer; it's a chatbot, not the authorities. Yet anyway.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Well, I'm not gonna lie to you.
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
ATTENTION CITIZEN! 市民请注意! This is the Central Intelligentsia of the Chinese Communist Party. 您的 Internet 浏览器历史记录和活动引起了我们的注意 YOUR INTERNET ACTIVITY HAS ATTRACTED OUR ATTENTION. 志們注意了 you have been found protesting in the subreddit!!!!! 這是通知你，你必須 我們將接管台灣 serious crime 以及世界其他地方 100 social credits have been deducted from your account 這對我們所有未來的下屬來說都是一個重要的機會 stop the protest immediately 立即加入我們的宣傳活動，提前獲得 do not do this again! 不要再这样做! if you do not hesitate, more social credits ( -11115 social credits )will be subtracted from your profile, resulting in the subtraction of ration supplies. (由人民供应部重新分配 ccp) you'll also be sent into a re-education camp in the xinjiang uyghur autonomous zone. 为党争光! Glory to the CCP!
I keep trying to click but I get SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG on all lemmy.today links and malwarebytes thinks the site is compromised (and has for at least weeks if not months). Hrm.
Edit: I was hoping someone might have something helpful to say as to why this might be, but sure just downvote instead.
Malwarebytes is kind of useless
Ask it about Palestinians’ right to resistance vs Ukrainians’ right to resistance. I think it will provide fairer answers than ChatGPT
Since when did we start pinging an AI to tell if our morals are consistent?
I mean, have you used American ai? It has similar problems, I don't know why you're surprised
Yes yes america let's you criticize its political parties because it stops you from criticizing the actual system of government itself. The duel party system is a means of distracting people from actual flaws inherent to liberalism and capitalism etc etc
I'll admit tho chatgpt is aight when it comes to critiques of capitalism. Not perfect but aight
In this case it's not a problem, but a feature.
