I work at Apple in the Apple Care department, but not for the Apple Care yalls moms call for help. This has been happening for literally years and I've spoken about it before but no one really took it seriously but now here we are. We were told that we be in a hiring freeze for the foreseeable future and that hiring and promotions would only happen onsite. If we wanted to be promoted we needed to move to Austin or San Fran, the two most expensive cities in the country with no guarantee of a promotion, on our own dime, knowing we won't make a living wage there. Keep in mind that this meeting was being given to a massive department who's main workforce is and has always been WFH.
This type of crap should be mega illegal. I feel like I see this all the time. I don't know how you would ever prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they are actually "laying people off" tho which I presume means it's unfortunately gonna stick around as a method for companies to avoid severance which sucks.
Also, not for nothing but San Fran and Austin are definitely not two most expensive cities in the country. San Fran is kinda up there. Maybe like top 5 in some lists. I legitimately couldn't find Austin in a single one but I only checked up to like the top 25 or 30 cities.
Hiring freeze? I had an Apple recruiter reach out to me just a couple weeks ago. That's in EU though. They weren't happy that I was not willing to relocate for them.
Don't worry, Texas has importing tech workers since around COVID and it's only a matter of time until they import enough new voters to fundamentally change laws down there...
Guess what, AWS is setting up their second HQ in Texas, so Texas is going to get a lot of people relocating from the west coast once that's all finished. Guess what, they generally like to vote and be involved in local politics.
They are just a small startup they can't afford to pay 121 people on their meager earnings. Hell they can't even afford to update their phone design in 3 years.
Former Apple employee (retail, then corporate). I'm shocked that Tim Cook, an out gay man, would allow such a move. Texas is a hellhole. This is bullshit. Fuck Apple for this one.
I've met multiple out gay people who aren't LGBT friendly (or, more commonly, aren't 'BT' friendly) even without the profit motive of being a piece of shit like Tim Cook has.
Being LGBT certainly makes you more likely to take progressive attitudes, but it far from guarantees it.
A capitalist is a capitalist first, a capitalist second, a capitalist third, and then everything else he is after that. He'd sell the blood of his fellow queers if he thought he could turn a profit.
Tim Cook will never have to live in that fascist state, he only has to donate to watch others suffer from the safety of his Palo Alto home where his rights are respected.
Sadly, most tech companies are doing this, and they're doing it in a way that frames it as you volunteering to leave, resulting in people losing their job and being able to claim unemployment benefits.
Given how shit the job market is for certain roles (recruitment, especially), it's a horrid thing to do.
Is it surprising that Apple, like every giant tech company that is way too big, treats its employees like shit? Do we think Google and Microsoft don't treat employees in a similarly shitty way? Or even any other huge company?
I have no love for Apple, but it seems like OP thinks this is something that makes Apple special. I mean single out Apple for shit like their products being overpriced or their notebooks not having enough RAM for their OS unless you want to pay a premium. This is just (really unfortunately) typical of modern late-stage capitalism.
First, I think it has more to do with OP reacting to the article they linked rather than searching for bad things Apple specifically has done. Second, we can talk about shitty Apple products or policies for ages, but this action in particular isn't like 'Oh no, the first-gen AR/VR goggles I bought for $4,000 aren't making the world literally Ready Player One'. No, this is (one of many) business decision that is directly fucking over their own employees in ways that are threatening to their entire livelihoods; 'Either uproot your lives and move hundreds of miles away to a place statistically less safe for most of you, or you're fired'
If this forces you to quit, would it be an option to start initialing a union to get fired, instead of quitting? Forcing them to pay compensations that might be in your contract. Or would this be a bad idea with regard to the references in your résumé? (I'm not from the US.)
Sadly, there is a HUGE anti-union sentiment in tech, almost to a religious degree. I don't think the tech industry is smart enough to unionise, similarly to the video game industry, who have dealt with equal amounts of shit, yet still plug away in horrible conditions.
With that being said, while I think unions should exist in tech, I truly believe that the likes of Apple and co would gladly kill off 100k jobs and delay launches, if it means killing off union efforts. For it to be effective, it would need to be internationally recognised, have a large enough number of people to make mass firings near impossible without significant business harm, and be solely tied to minimum income equity.
I truly believe that the likes of Apple and co would gladly kill off 100k jobs and delay launches, if it means killing off union efforts.
I've been pondering this and I honestly am not sure... because I can see them being that scared of unionizing, but there's also the modern capitalist notion, especially in the tech sector, of endless growth. So would they delay launches when it could cost them revenue? I honestly do not know the answer here.
Obviously, I want the tech sector unionized. I just don't know what exactly Apple and the others would to to stop it. They would do something, and something very nasty. I'm just not sure about mass layoffs and delayed product launches.
Sadly, there is a HUGE anti-union sentiment in tech, almost to a religious degree. I don't think the tech industry is smart enough to unionise, similarly to the video game industry, who have dealt with equal amounts of shit, yet still plug away in horrible conditions.
The fact that the pro-union people won't even try to hide their contempt for the people they claim to represent certainly isn't helping matters. Unionization involves a lot of trust and union organizers seem unwilling to lift a finger to earn that trust, instead jumping immediately to insults whenever someone doesn't instantly toe the line.
I can't decide which overused quote to put here so I'm just going to use them both:
"Why did you sting me knowing that we shall both now drown?"
"And then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me."
Did these people ever think Apple cared about them? Did they think their years of hard loyalty would serve as some bargaining chip the second that their precious green arrow was on the line?
I couldnt imagine having ~80 natural years on this earth and dedicating years of my labor to one of the most destructive companies in history and then acting shocked when all of the sudden I was in the line of fire.
Just so we all know who we're talking about, Apple is the company that installed suicide nets on their factories because it was the cheapest way to prevent their workers from killing themselves which was a frequent enough problem on its own to warrant a solution.
I think it's more complicated than that, my friend.
Not many people have the luxury of choosing an occupation that aligns with their ideals. A person may have taken a job at Apple out of necessity because it's all that was offered, or perhaps to maintain their legal status in the country (H-1B visa), or because they have burgeoning student debts, or maybe they were as yet unaware of the corporate trend towards employee exploitation.
Anyway, putting on the blame on the one's being laid off instead of on the one's laying off is not helping anyone except the C-suite of Apple.
Yes exactly, you can't blame the people being laid off, they are just trying to live and I imagine a job at a company like Apple was a dream. I mean you can't blame anyone who takes that opportunity, the salary, the credentials. The US workers really need to get the union situation sorted out in a major way.
I mean, people can work at a large company like Apple just for the salary. It's pretty naive to assume any or all of those laid off worked at Apple long-term and were loyal to their employer because of the marketing prestige.
People are just trying to make the best of this situation we have to experience called life. I used to work for smaller companies and they have pros and cons just like large companies. Then I was laid off and the only place that would hire me and not give me a pay cut was a large corporation. So here I am now. Let me be clear, I do not want to work for this company. But what they provide me for the time being, is stability where other companies are laying people off left and right. They hired me as a remote employee and then a few months later said everyone had to return to the office a few times a week. I don't trust this company and I never did, but until the economy stabilizes and I can find another solid job, I'm stuck. I can't just not work, and I refuse to go back to being poor and struggling to stay afloat. So I feel for these people. You don't always have a reasonable choice in employment when things aren't stable but you also have to think about supporting yourself or maybe kids.
TLDR: It's not always so cut and dry of a situation as "don't work for a shitty company". All I'm trying to say, is that you should really step back and try to think about these situations from others' perspectives sometimes.
Do I upvote because you're correct, or downvote because you worded it like a dick and don't care about the other members of the 99% getting fucked over.
Fuck Apple, but come on. It's not an oil company. It's not clear cutting forests. It's not making its revenue from chattel slavery and stealing land. Apple is fucking awful, but it's not exactly the East India Company.