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And medical debt.
In my country that isn't a thing. Everybody has to have private insurance and if they can't afford it, the State subsidizes it.
And if somehow you get something done that isn't covered by the insurance, they can't pursue you for that debt and it doesn't show up when doing things like getting a lease.
It's not perfect (insurance costs a ton and keeps rising) but at least it's not some dystopian nightmare where people can't afford to get care in one of the World's top economies.
I got talked into bankruptcy (by a bankruptcy lawyer, surprise surprise). It cleared $12k of credit cards and bank fees but not the then-$50k of student loans and the spending habits that were the real problem. Now I learned my lesson. No credit cards. Save up and pay. Have an emergency fund that can cover your expenses for months and months in the event you lose your job, or your most expensive unplanned repair. That's the real life saver.
Credit cards are fine for people who can control their spending. I never pay interest, so I get my rewards for free and am building my credit. If you cannot control your spending habits, you might consider a card with a low limit.
I used to feel this way with 2% cash back, but I don’t think it’s worth the privacy loss of giving a for-profit corporation all of my spending data. Where I live now, almost no one accepts credit cards in person & if they do, there’s a high minimum payment & you will be paying the transaction fee. After getting used to carrying cash again, I can confidently say I prefer the anonymity. What weirder in hindsight is many other places either not accepting cash or baking the credit fees into the prices so it’s cash payers getting screwed—meanwhile the credit companies get to skim fixed costs while providing minimal value.
In France after high school you pay 170€ the first 3 years the 243€ the next two, 100€ more each year if you don't have aides from the government. Some engineering schools (~600€) or private schools are more expensive.
That's a total of 1496€ for a 5y curriculum at most, if you don't have any aides. (810€ for a shorter 3y one)
For reference the monthly minimum wage is 1398.69€ (without tax).
So if you work two months at McDonald's you can literally pay your entire education with enough room to spare if you didn't pass some years.
(Engineering schools is more but it isn't crazy either)
That's without any help, but we have some cheap apartment specifically for students, help to pay the rent. And in addition to this you can get a sizable amount depending on the income of the parents, sometimes enough to live on.
So why in the hell would you pay 50k. That's 33 times as much, guys just come to France, or the EU and your set lol
Everything you've said only stands for public university (which is better than private schools however). In the private world, you're looking at ~10000€ a year.
So why in the hell would you pay 50k. That's 33 times as much, guys just come to France
I believe it's more expensive for foreigners to study in France now. You're looking at ~3000€ per year IIRC.
How has bankruptcy affected you when you've gone to apply for things? Has there been any real long term effects when you apply for like a house or car loan?
I was able to get a car loan a few years after the bankruptcy. It was dumb, I hadn't fully figured out my money situation yet. Bankruptcy didn't fix that spending habit. But that was the tipping point. When my minimum expenses between the car, student loans, and living expenses exactly equaled my salary, I started trying to beat my way out of the mess. The car I currently own, I paid for up front. By the time I bought a house, the bankruptcy had disappeared off my report. Now the plan is pay off the mortgage and never have a credit score again.
After 7 years the bankruptcy disappears from your credit report. After that it's like it didn't happen.
Bankruptcies fall off your credit report after 7 years. I think the only thing you are blacklisted from after that 7 year period is the bank that credited you and lost money.
Imagine being inside a month😵💫
July is hot, what's your problem?
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We're inside the month filling the bankruptcy
Nice Try Rudy. Pay your debts.
Nice try, but Rudy isn't filing for cc debt.
filling for bankruptcy
inside a month
Go back to school
"I declare BANKRUPTCY!!!!"
Most individuals still have to work out a debt repayment plan. I know some credit cards and loans still have to be repayed even in bankruptcy. Chapter 11 bankruptcy is only available if you're a corporation or a kajillionaire.
This is just not true.
Which part is untrue? Didn't they change the rules of bankruptcy like a decade ago or something?
It used to be that you could get all your loans discharged and in essence just end up with a really bad credit score. I thought they changed it so people still had to pay their debts off even if they declared bankruptcy.
Unsure if it applied to corporations though.
Bankruptcy debt settlement are usually for a fraction of the stated amount. I've heard of families who have discharged over 100k of cc debt and only had to pay about 10k. Usually you will lose bigger assets like vehicles, but keep your home.
You can and will lose your home in many many states (non homestead states primarily). If the person you aren’t paying is your mortgage holder, you’re definitely going to lose your home You will also almost always lose non-primary residences provided they need to be liquidated to settle your debts. You will be given any excess money from the liquidations after your debts are settled.
If you’re settling debts you’re probably doing chapter 11 not 7.
Chapter 11 requires your lenders to play ball, but if they think they can make more money by extending terms of offering a discount than if they force you into chapter 7, they will.
If you make $5k/mo and your living expenses are $3k/mo and you have $3k/mo of debt for the next 30 months, reasonable lenders would look at that and say I’d rather have $1.5k for 60 months and I believe you can pay it rather than rolling the dice in chapter 7 on what assets you have or don’t have and what they’re worth when they finally get liquidated.
Useless endeavor if the individual in question doesn’t change their spending habits. Be right back fucked again in a few years.
Can you declare bankruptcy again?
Pretty sure Trump has done it 4 or 5 times. Those were company bankruptcies by a nepo baby, though, so probably not the same rules as regular people 🤷
Given the effect it has on credit score, it will perhaps be more difficult to accumulate debt --- it will be harder to take out large credit card, mortgage, or other loans. Probably not applicable to medical and whatnot.
In theory I think it makes sense: loans should be a privilege not a right, or something like that. But in reality, loans are essentially required for modern life, at least in the US. So the people who can least afford it end up with loans with ridiculous interest rates (even if the total loan amount is smaller than it would be pre-bankruptcy).
I am fortunate enough to be able to pay off my credit card every month, so the interest rate doesn't really matter. It's a great, but dystopian, example of positive feedback: those who can afford pay less (no interest), and those who can't afford pay more (interest).
7 year cool down, and unless you are Trump and can afford extremely expensive legal representation, your odds of actually getting a full discharge of debt go down.
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If only. Most people who need bankruptcy can't afford the lawyer required to do it.
Why don't you just not buy a credit card? Or do you need it to have a credit score?
well at this point he's 50 years old and he's paying off a bunch of credit cards. I think you're supposed to be giving that advice to 18-year-old him. Not 50-year-old him.
The idiotic catch-22 of credit, you need to use credit you don't need in order to prove that you can pay back credit you do need.
Eg good luck getting a car loan or a mortgage at a reasonable rate if you don't have credit history.
Ironically OP could probably absolutely qualify for a loan despite barely being able to pay off debts, because lenders want to make money off of you more than they want you to pay back their loans on time. Late fees and interest 🤑
Filing for bankruptcy is offloading your responsibility to others who then have to pay with their money for your faults.
It's a cheap way out for people that do not act responsibly.
Bankruptcy? Okay, but then lose all saying in your money spending because you just proved you can't handle it yourself.
you do realize that bankruptcy does have consequences, right? for one, it's nearly impossible to find a new place to live if you've ever declared bankruptcy. If you work in certain sectors, you can lose your job. if you're a government worker, you'd lose your security clearance or probably even a public trust. If you lose your job, new companies that might hire you would likely do a credit check for some reason and find you unqualified because of that bankruptcy.
So it's double-triple bad to have debt? Then manage the finances, assess the risks, cut unrealistic expectations that will toss you into the debt spiral, because it's triple-bad. Who is to blame?
Poor banks :( The irresponsible poors need to do things the right way, and lobby congress to bail them out.
The average credit card interest rate is 25%. Yes people shouldn't borrow money they can't pay back. However that doesn't change the fact that interest rates on credit cards are wildly high and entrap people in a loop of only paying the interest off. Bankruptcy is their only hope of escape from that debt cycle.
Can you please explain briefly plz bro. I know pretty much nothing about bankruptcy.
People "spend irresponsibly" for a ton of reasons like medical expenses, paying for a funeral, having mental illnesses that they don't even know about, etc. Life happens.
They received money from a rich guy or corporation who knows of the risk of their money going "poof." Creditors aren't mom-and-pop shops, and they will survive if an investment doesn't go well. The same cannot be said for the person in deep credit card debt. Oftentimes, the lenders are the ones who have predatory practices and purposefully make it easier for peoples' debt to spiral out of control, and you shouldn't feel bad for those lenders.
About these unexpected costs:
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medical insurance is a must, otherwise you are gambling and the chances to lose this bet are quite high.
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funerals happen unexpected - when they actually absolutely do not. Everybody can be sure to die, so plan accordingly.
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being "in deep credit card debt" is too late. One should never have swam out this far. Being "a tiny little bit in debt" should have the alarm bells blasting as financing is not self sustaining, "a tiny litte bit" is already much too late already because you've entered the spiral
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student debts - well, not everybody has to study. If you can't afford it reflect on it, if you really must. And if yes, seek alternatives like leaving the country tht is hell-bent to enslave you in debt if you want to study, find sponsors, arrange it with your expectations about a longer time horizon, etc. You are not able to pay for it? Do not do it! Seek solutions.
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It's irresponsible for banks to loan money, they pay many people salaries for risk assessment before loaning it. Also their loan is insured so even if you don't pay it back they write the loss off.
Indeed. But they want to make money, so they rise the interest rate to make even more money and cut losses on failed debt repayments.
They solely exist to make money by extorting the people in debt. Who would have guessed?
So? Never have debts.
"Consumer" debts should ethically not exist as consumers just consume the money and are therefore not able to pay it back as it is not an "investment" debt, which has the chance to succeed.
