Former President Trump urged Republicans to dig in as a shutdown looms over Washington, arguing Sunday that President Biden will take the blame if the federal government closes. Congress faces a Se…
Former President Trump urged Republicans to dig in as a shutdown looms over Washington, arguing Sunday that President Biden will take the blame if the federal government closes. Congress faces a Se…
It's hard to know... are we talking about crafty and conniving Joe Biden? If so, it's a whole console. Or are we talking about Sleepy Joe with dementia? In which case, it's just one button and someone has to move his hand over it so he can press it.
IANAL, and that crime might be in the sedition/ treason category of crimes. And we have most of a specific political party that has been and continues to engage in this category of crimes.
Most of the public will blame the Republicans, but Trump and the Republicans don't care about "most of the public." They only care about their base.
Their base will definitely believe that the government shutdown is not the fault of the Republicans who refuse to accept any deal, but instead is the fault of the Democrats/Biden for just giving the Republicans 100% of what they demand.
At the same time, they'll believe that the Republicans caused the shutdown, but that it's a good thing that they did. Yes, it's contradictory. No, they don't care.
The base that will blame biden is in on the lie though. You can ask pointed questions like "so you believe biden vetoed it" or "why cant the house gop vote on a spending bill". The ones that actually follow politics know enough not to sound stupid. They will keep side stepping the issue until the subject changes. They are disciplined.
They are counting on the low-info types to believe the bothsiderist narrative the feeble "liberal media" is bound to give on this, and either not vote, or vote for t****.
He is right, average joe republicans will blame Biden for this, because they have to to protect their identities as republicans, that requires blind loyalty.
Maybe if republicans actually passed a stop gap or something, even if it's bat shit insane. As of right now, it's all Republican infighting. The question right now is whether it's McCarthy or Matt Gaetz fault. Biden isn't even in the picture right now, it's not like Republicans can say Biden isn't giving into their demands or whatever. There are no demands, it's just Republican on Republican bickering.
It's weird how they tacitly admit their own policy of shutting down the government on the regular is actually something most people realize is a bad, and hope it is blamed on others.
Demonstrating yet again that most Americans are not really down with the radical conservative agenda, despite the claim that this is a "center-right" country.
I think McConnell and McCarthy have learned that voters blame Republicans for this instead of Democrats, and the debt ceiling standoff around May just hammered that in further. The plurality believed Republicans were at fault for the whole thing.
It's likely savvy of Republican leadership to avoid another self inflicted crisis like this, especially since House Republicans can't even pass a 100% Republican bill for starting negotiations.
And as usual, Trump felt left out, and now he's advocating they take the worst option and insisting that Dems will be blamed instead. I suspect enough House Republicans know he's full of shit to take this as confirmation they're going to be the ones who get the blame.
I don't bother with the right-wing propaganda networks so I don't know, but I can't imagine how they might spin this to blame Biden when his administration hasn't even been involved in the process.
The whole thing hinges on a purely internal conflict not just within Congress, but in the House specifically. How does that even colorably come to be blamed on an entirely separate branch?
I don't doubt that the propaganda outlets and the grifters will simply lie, and conjure up some entirely different account of things that won't match up at all with the plain objective reality of the whole thing stalling because a group of hard right House members are demanding concessions and refusing to vote in favor of a budget that doesn't include them, but I can't even imagine what it will be, since it will have to be essentially completely false, from start to finish.
Unfortunately, I also don't doubt that some significant part of the Republican base will believe whatever it is, since they've been so thoroughly indoctrinated and made so subject to their emotions that they literally can no longer distinguish between reality and fantasy.
Still though, even with as confused and misled and blinded by emotion as much of the Republican base is, and as brazenly dishonest as the propagandists and grifters that are profiting off of them are, I can't imagine how it might be the case that Biden will get the blame for this. It's not just that it's not narrowly true, but that there isn't even a colorable basis, as far as I can see, to even pretend that it is.
You're thinking too logically. Biden is "in charge." That is enough for Fox News to blanket multiple news cycles with. "Biden ineffectual at preventing shutdown," "Biden embarrassed as shutdown enters second week," "Biden nowhere to be found as Congress deadlocks on shutdown reopening plan" and so on. They're just going to say "Biden" and "shutdown" in the same sentence until a viewer believes - without ever having arrived at the conclusion - that Biden owns the shutdown.
Low-information right-wing viewers have no conception of, or interest in learning, how this all actually works.
All the GOP has to do it keep on blaming Biden for it and Fox News will repeat that narrative endlessly.
What's worse is that other media outlets will as well since Democrats will, as usual, remain quiet and have no marketing behind their message. Democrats will just go ahead and allow Republicans to place all the blame onto Biden because god forbid they ever try to defend themselves.
Yeah, but there is so much tone policing to be done, as well as the decorum and respect for the norms. Meaning, the Democratic Party is supposed to be a punching bag and not pipe up too much about all the gaslighting and the craziness from the hard right. The Democrats are held to a higher standard, at all times, even if they miss a comma somewhere, while the Republicans are held to none whatsoever, and expected to be awful.
Who are we kidding? Their base is so delusional it doesn't matter what happens - they will never vote anything but Rethuglican. One moment Trump is the shadow president actually running the show, the next it's Biden's fault but he's also a clone. It's amazing they remember to breath on a regular basis.
It isn't the base that we need to flip. No party can win with ONLY it's base. It is the roughly 1/3 of Americans who are independents that need to be convinced and increasingly they are rather sick and tired of the social nonsense they see from Democrats. They are sick of the identity politics BS and even if they might otherwise lean Democrat, they might not in the upcoming election.
Historically the public has blamed Republicans for shutting down the government when Republicans shut down the government. The divide in the caucus is between those Republicans in safe districts who have to be extremist in order to avoid getting primaried and those Republicans in competitive districts who might lose their seat in the general if the public blames the GOP for the shutdown. The Democrats mostly just have to message that they will take a reasonable deal to avoid the shutdown and let the rest be McCarthy's problem.
Eh, it didn't work out for them the last two times they tried. Despite the conservatives decades long war against "the government", their local economies are just as reliant on government spending as anyone else.
A shut down always hits red states harder, they're for the most part more dependent on federal funding for their social care. They typically also have more military bases, government agencies, and defense contractors as well.
So while you typically see more conservative cohesion, even with policy the majority of conservative politicians may not agree with..... the one thing you still can't do as a conservative is fuck with the bag. Conservatives = keep the money flowing, and the easiest way to do that is by capturing increased government spending, not shutting off the tap.
their local economies are just as reliant on government spending as anyone else.
Do you actually think they understand that? I know ex-military who get a monthly pension who can't stop bad-mouthing the big bad gob'ment. Or ones who work for government contractors - literally their job is directly dependent on government money - and they are always complaining on how much money the gob'ment wastes on "useless" programs.
What kills me is that Democrats typically let people like these slide by lessening the hurt that they would otherwise feel if something happened to that gob'ment they hate so much. If I am not mistaken, last time, Dems were quick to propose that military members continued to get paid even when the government was shut down. All that does is soften the blow. It actually makes it easier for Republicans to force a shut down because they won't be harassed as much by their military members since they will still get paid. If you're not feeling the pain from a shut down, then you are more likely to support it.
I just love how Republicans have dropped all pretebxi to care and talk directly about sabotaging their country and government and then blame " the other side"
At this point I'd argue that This group is closer to a terrorist organization than a political party
I think it's reasonable to blame them, even charge them for the crimes they have done (people have suffered previously), and continue to do. Seriously.
How are we constantly out of money? This seems to happen every few months. Rather than trying to borrow our way out of debt we need to learn to live within our means. Our government is a total mess.
As far as I'm aware, every time the GOP has shut down the government, it's backfired on them. It seems to be the one thing that voters are able to reliably correctly lay blame for, so yeah, I'd say he's wrong.
Honestly, I kinda wonder why that is? Like, why is this the one thing they cannot reliably deflect the blame for? They manage it for just about all their other bullshit.