What kinds of things from reddit would you like to see Lemmy avoid as the user base grows?
Personally I think not having karma limits is nice currently! I understand why they were used but grinding karma as a lurker on reddit was frustrating.
Personally I am commenting and posting much more now than ever on reddit. I want to transition to lemmy and see it grow as I refuse to use the Android reddit app.
I am not typing/imagining a comment and then not posting it here either like many people do on reddit. It seems like a good time to become less of a lurker.
This is what I wanted to post in here. Any version of the like "this" "to the top with you" "have my upvote" etc etc
Like it's a conversation board, I don't care about one person's personal opinion of a comment that actively takes away from the conversation and clutters the replies when there's an entire feature around giving your opinion on a comment.
They main instances have taken strong stances against nazi shit. The Lemmy developers are leftwing communists even, and they run lemmy.ml, so I don't think defederating from servers who'll platform nazis is unlikely.
Reddit has a longstanding reputation for being a hive of scum and villainy (like hosting the_donald for years, or kotakuinaction, etc). I really hope that Lemmy keeps with the general left-leaning vibes of the fediverse overall, hopefully being a good space for queer people, women, people of colour, etc.
I think you do have to be careful here though. If you're too permissive you allow bigotry, but if you're too restrictive you cut off honest, good faith debate and create echo chamber silos where beliefs are never challenged.
Bigotry should never be accepted but that means non-discriminatory opinions, especially ones you disagree with, should be allowed.
Good faith is the key here. I'm all for disagreements leading to lengthy discussions and even some controversy as long as everyone is arguing in good faith.
I can't stand trolling, outright bigotry, and the normalization of literal fascist opinions as a mere "disagreement". If a "disagreement" (you know which ones I mean) will lead to people dying if enabled, I'm pretty happy keeping those ideas out.
/r/jailbait needed a spotlight in the national news from Anderson Cooper to get dealt with.
But (allowing for the fact that I'm still learning) by its nature I'm not sure the fediverse can stop these things in total, but the particular instances you subscribe to can. I'm unclear if INDIVIDUALS can ban instances (as far as I can tell they cannot) which I think might be a good addition. But instances can ban other instances, and eventually the fediverse will figure out which instances to put in the time-out corner for the rest of us, I think. But it will take time and might be a bit of wack-a-mole.
I think this is the big thing that Fediverse platforms are missing right now. If you want to be able to ban instances yourself, you have to run your own.
That would be nice but these platforms with "instances" look like it's a Reddit on steroids. I don't see how a community could be shut down with the way it's setup currently. I'm a complete newbie though so don't rely on my unprofessional observations.
Your instance can ban the offending instances, so they won't show up for you or your fellow users, and vice versa. It provides a good way to exile the offending community.
Communities can't be shut down, but they can be shut out. This is also just true in life in general.
If The_Donald were to set up shop on Lemmy.ml, they could ban the instance and the members, but they could just turn around and join another instance.
So, what do you do then? Site admins can ban the remote instance, and they can put pressure on the hosting site admins by threatening to defederate.
Let's say the new hosting site's admin gives into defederation pressure and also bans the instance and its members. We'll, then those people can set up their own server. Now, the admin won ban them.
But none of the major servers will federated with them. They'll be alone on their low population fashy instance (or not so low population - Truth Social is suppsoey the biggest Mastodon instance), effectively quarantined.
That's the best anyone can do. That's true with or without Lemmy.
Yes! Many sumbreddits that actually had a point and were dare-I-say educational quickly became just twitter sceencap platitudes, on repeat.
I get it, easy to read and agree with and upboat, but ultimately just dumbing the place down to the lowest common denominator and burying anything with effort or insight.
Getting banned in one subreddit you never participated in for daring to have a comment (regardless of the content of that comment) in another subreddit.
As far as I can see, the real number is already on top of the post. And then you have the split of up/downvotes near the arrows. So the "algorithm" is just basic addidion and subtraction. Someone correct me if I saw something wrong...
That's not what they mean, they're referring to "score fuzzing", a tactic Reddit used to combat vote manipulation. The number you see on a post or comment isn't the actual number, it's been fudged a little.
The forced 'inside jokes' that filled so many threads, so many times you would see a post and be able to predict the top comment and its replies. Hoping that the lack of account karma helps with that.
I feel conflicted between downvoting this as these are the exact types of comments that ended up grinding my gears, or to upvote you because that's precisely why you wrote them.
You mean you don't like reading the same witty one-liners on every third post? I'm looking forward to actual discussion with less farming for fake internet points.
Definitely a problem that comes with reddit and the unique subreddit names I'd say. I feel like that may not be avoided here since moving many subscribers from a large->small community is so difficult. Maybe the federation style will be successful though, I can't say I have enough experience to predict that well.
To be honest, I don't think that's entirely just a Reddit thing. Power tripping mods have been around as long as Internet forums have in general. It's a tough one to combat for sure.
The Fediverse already has these, there are lots of echo chamber instances that automatically block other instances for simply federating with the "wrong" instance (equivalent to those AutoMod bans on Reddit for posting in a certain subreddit). Since instance admins pay for their instances out of pocket, they are more restrictive with their instance's allowed content than social media websites that want to cast the widest net. Eventually, there will be a massive split between communities, like how conservative and progressive Mastodon instances all block each other. Centrists can just have an account on each side of the wall.
As a new community we need to identify and stamp out bad actors immediately and thoroughly (spammers, selfservers, ads disguised as posts, brigading, illegal content, racism, you get the idea).
We can't control if they create their own instances, but we can isolate them.
this seems to be a good place to mention avoiding groupthink and trendy opinions. more fresh diverisity and bold independent thinkers.
a flood of general americans would be worse than cultivating a niche counterculture initial userbase.
Bullshit moderation.
Reddit was so full of hateful shit. Reddit's AEO (Anti Evil Operations, basically the admins personal "mod team", probably outsourced to some country with lacking English skills) would continue to tell me that the most blatant hateful comments do not violate Reddit's ToS. Meanwhile, you get (perma) banned for the most ridiculous & mundane things at times, like saying that a fascist Italy should get kicked out of the EU & NATO. Apparently this is considered "spreading hate" and they even denied my appeal, explaining that both institutions require the members to be democratic. Meanwhile all the racism on subs like /r/europe would go unpunished. I also tried to report similar comments to mine as hate, but containing less popular countries like Turkey, and unsurprisingly they also didn't see it as hate.
Getting harassed by other users that reply on all your comments & follow you around? Nope, no violation.
Questioning the title & picture relation of a governmental account? Apparently harassment / bullying worth a 7 day ban.
Calling out dehumanization? Perma ban in a sub.
Perma ban in a sub? Perma ban in another sub for complaining about it, for "ban evasion".
Speaking out against predatory monetization methods & FOMO tactics in modern video games? Getting attacked & insulted by users and consequently perma banned for being "an asshole troll" - none of the attacks & insults were removed, let alone punished.
What isn't a violation? Racism, transphobia, homophobia, calls for violence, etc.
In regards to big hate subs it is also mostly the case that Reddit only goes and does something against them when there's some sort of media attention around it. When it directly affects their potential income. Maybe if advertisers start to complain about it.
The enforcement of the rules is so random at this point that I don't even know what one is allowed to say, or why I even should care about accounts and the platform as a whole. I understand that moderation of big platforms is not an easy task, but one surely can do better than whatever the hell Reddit is doing nowadays.
In regards to specifically Lemmy I would say they aren't up to a good start with the controversial admin team and their extremist views.
The nice thing about federation is that you can always go somewhere else if you disagree with a particular instance.
Lemmy's devs have questionable politics at best. IMO, I don't care as long as it doesn't impact how they run the site - people have a right to their own opinions, as long as those opinions don't harass or hurt others directly.
But let's say they changed one day. Maybe one day they added something to the code forcing everyone to praise the CCP or else.
Because the software is open-source - people could fork it before the change. It's out there already. People can totally make their own little variants of Lemmy with added features, if that's something they wanted to do. You can modify the code yourself and then self-host the modified version. No matter what Lemmy's devs do... they have no power on your instance. A fork means you own the code.
I've seen the sentiment tossed around that it's unethical to use Lemmy because if you donate to the project (or contribute to donations towards the project) you are financing people who have bad politics. That's your prerogative. I personally disagree - again, as long as your politics aren't actively contributing to harassment/harm you shouldn't be punished for them - but I understand the sentiment.
To that, I say - well, there's other options. That's the beauty of the Fediverse - you don't have any Musk or Spez that comes along to ruin everything. I'm on Kbin, which I like a lot. The dev is a great guy, and I really like how it combines the best of Lemmy and Mastodon.
Even if you want to stay on Lemmy, there are wonderful communities on Lemmy that disagree with the direction of the devs. Beehaw is a great place with a fantastic mod team, for example. You can donate to Beehaw's devs and know it's going to keep Beehaw running, and it's not the same as supporting Lemmy directly.
Because the software is open-source - people could fork it before the change. It’s out there already. People can totally make their own little variants of Lemmy with added features, if that’s something they wanted to do. You can modify the code yourself and then self-host the modified version. No matter what Lemmy’s devs do… they have no power on your instance. A fork means you own the code.
People are already doing so, right now. AFAIK Lemmy by default doesn't have the ability to disable downvoting, yet Beehaw and the instance I'm on (among others, probably) do have downvoting disabled.
Wow, thank you for this post. Doing some reading on Lemmy's devs' attitude toward human rights, and... I think I'll check out Kbin. Thanks again, I had no idea!
I got a warning for saying the words "kill yourself" in the context of a video game discussion where someone killed their own character to kill a streamer's character in the perma death mode. The method used was an ability that links 2 characters together and if one of them dies, they both die. There was some change made to prevent this in the future so i said something along the lines of "you could still kill yourself trough other means, i don't see how this solves the issue" and got a site wide warning with no way to appeal
I've been on lemmy for about three years and the admins have been phenomenal. The interactions I've had and seen with them have been well-reasoned and positive.
Yeah I've seen a few mentions here and there about concerning political ideologies from them, but I'm not even 100% sure who 'the lemmy admins' refers to given the decentralized nature of the platform.
I assume all those different communities are eventually going to be assimilated into 1 or 2 communities. Those that lack subscribers will eventually die out organically.
Flair would be nice, but I think Lemmy should do it its own way with hashtags. It would be cool to search for hashtags within specific communities, subscribed communities, entire instances, and all instances.
I hate hashtags, have always hated them and could never use them on my favor. They are not consistent AT ALL. For me, it is much easier to simply search for keywords.
Sounds like what you want is better search. What do hashtags have to do with that?
I was just thinking that the hashtag functionality is probably under the hood somewhere and it could be used to identify and sort certain types of posts.
Agreed that flair would be nice. Over in the baseball subreddit, it's helpful to see people's favorite team when reading their comment for context. It helps determine if the commenter is making a dumb joke ripping on their own team or if they're a fan of a rival team salty about a loss or something.
Realized another - the awards that reddit created were out of control. I didn't mind avatars too much since customization can be fun and it was optional, but the awards are spammed and shown on most reddit clients.
Yeah that’s a really good point. Maybe a portion of the award funds for a given post could go to that post’s creator’s server and a portion to a pooled fund for all servers/servers reaching capacity?
Of course this and any other ideas re monitising should be carefully thought out re perverse incentives 😬
Awards were fine when there was only three of them: gold, silver, platinum. Once they added twenty billion, all meaning the awards once had were lost, especially since many of them were given to users for free when they were once paid only.
The original use case for Shadow banning was bots I think. To them it looks like they're comments are still being posted, but everyone else it's invisible.
It's not about making the user leave, because of they know they are banned they'll try to evade. Shadow banning gives the desired effect while not tipping off the user. So they post away, to nobody.
IP banning is such an annoyance if you are unlucky enough to only be able to deal with ISPs that do not use fixed IP addresses.
"Can't post today, because another random person got my IP 'du jour' banned in the past" is a pretty terrible user experience.
And the pro troll uses Tor or a VPN and only needs to reconnect his client to receive a fresh IP address. I consider IP banning to be a very mediocre tool at best.
People taking the voting system so seriously. On Reddit people got offended by being downvoted. Sometimes people downvote just because it’s sitting at a low number.
The karma system on Reddit is tied to a lot of things so it's understandable for them to care about it. If an account has low karma, they're more likely to be shadowbanned or suspended. Even when not shadowbanned, their posts and comments will need manual mod approval to be shown to other users.
Here admin has even more power, except it is limited to their own instance. So it is more on the user to be prepared. You don't want to be too attached to your data on a single instance. The instance might be abandoned, down, gone; the admin might go crazy. And the solution isn't to have the admin be more reasonable. The solution is to hedge your bets on multiple instances and multiple communities.
i literally got a dm saying "i'm horny" like 30 seconds ago.... and there's a pun like 6 comments below yours, and meta humor like 5 comments above yours.
what i mean is, lmao, if that's what you think you're getting away from, i'm sorry to inform you that you have failed :)
I really dislike replies to questions that aren't really lengthy or offer any discourse. I always found people to reply just with the title of a film when someone would ask "whats your favourite movie and why?" on askreddit. Too often people would just write the name of the film and that was it, made the whole experience redundant. I feel like this got worse after years of being on the site.
Reddit gold.
Annoying clickbait titles on posts making you click to see wtf they were talking about - EG: "Can we take a second to thank this character in Game of Thrones"
God yes, this annoyed me so much in AskReddit threads. I've always been tempted to make one of those snarky AskReddit threads which would be like: "Why do you never explain why something is good/bad, and only drop the name of it?"
Yeah honestly I stopped browsing AskReddit because of that. And I don't think it was necessarily entirely the commenters' fault, I think it was that the questions have gotten worse over time.
Lol I think over my 11 years on reddit I only had 1.6k karma.. And while I love internet points as much as the next guy it's much healthier not to even see an overall count on here. Makes me hope that they don't add it so I don't have to be constantly worrying about what my overall score is.
TBH karma + post/comment history is helpful is picking out trolls though. For me it’s a way of finding out if the person is an argumentative twat or just someone who’s views are different to my own.
Completely agree. I think it’ll be very important from the perspective of identifying truly bad actors and defederating from some servers (as a last resort). Perhaps a compromise would be it being visible only over a certain threshold? Not sure.
Total user karma is useless to gauge the quality of the poster.
Upvotes and downvotes are good in the moment, in the thread, for the community to promote good posts and bury bad ones.
Exactly. I say this as someone who had nearly a million accumulated on the other site: karma points should only exist in the context of the current discussion, not as an overall tally for the user. Sure, it helps people quickly spot obvious trolls, but the downside is you end up with power-users (Gallowboob anyone?) who only repost content to watch the funny number go up. None of that here, for the love of god.
I actually used uBlock Origin to hide my karma in the top right corner from myself when it was shown by default. I found commenting less stressful that way.
The comment bots got thicker than mosquitoes in a swamp over the past couple of years. You couldn't go into a comment section without half the comments being bots reposting them from other similar threads.
A relatively small thing: the 500-comment viewing limit for normal accounts. So many times on Reddit I've been put off engaging with posts with 500+ comments knowing that nobody would see it. It's stupid because comments are just text and unless the software design is absolutely terrible then simple text comments shouldn't take up bandwidth at all.
the 500 comment limit made the concept of daily threads replacing common questions a killer on subs like r/fitness. "Has this question been asked before? Well, instead of being able to pull up several threads about this topic, I have to go through the daily threads of hundreds of days and search the comments for keywords - after increasing the number of comments visible from 200 to 500, and then still not being able to search all the comments on the 1000+ comment threads." Just genuinely became unusable.
step 2. remove discomfort at the small price of $3.99 / month at a 30% discount for new users NOW at your nearest Walmart and 35% discount for senior citizens, members of the LGBTQIA+ community, supporters of the R or D party at the local youth center and old members of the Jean Baptiste Church down the corner because they're cool and they rent our DVDs sometimes.
These days on Reddit no one will read the linked posts and the comments are very circlejerky and lower quality. On the other hand Hacker News has mods (mostly just dang lol) vigilantly enforcing their guidelines to maintain somewhat quality discussions.
Another thing is a lot of reposting, bots, and excessive cross posting resulting in a lot of recycled garbage throughout. I miss the days where social media sites ripped off Reddit content, not the other way around.
It's true, though. I am very guilty of it. I have gotten better at it but 100% of the time I'd click the comments first no matter what. If it seemed worthy of my attention I'd click the link. If it seemed too far-fetched I'd click the link.
I'm realizing now that it's mostly because I don't want to wait the 0.5 seconds for another page to load (ridiculous on my part) and possibly deal with paywalls.
Censorship. All the major subreddits became political echo-chambers. Reddit was founded on free speech and open discourse, especially when it was really uncomfortable. I'd love to see the same for Lemmy. Over the years I've seen authoritarianism creep into the moderation policies of most major subreddits. Today, even posting on the wrong subreddit is grounds for being banned from dozens of major subreddits. Even having a polite disagreement about, for example, anything to do with "trans," is grounds for being banned.
It also sucks when you're not American, like Reddit auto-banned a load of Irish and Brits discussing stopping smoking due to the colloquial term there.
Unfortunately all these American-based websites really force the American views and positions on everyone.
Well that explains it. I'm not American either and I really feel like I'm being forced into their weird social war. I just want to talk about cool gadgets without some culture warrior banning me everywhere because I didn't show the requisite fealty to whatever the current thing is.
Even having a polite disagreement about, for example, anything to do with “trans,” is grounds for being banned.
A subreddit I moderate, /r/moderatepolitics, has had to do a delicate balancing act around this. There are site-wide rules banning many statements around trans people, and the red lines are not well defined. Reddit's "Anti-Evil Operations" (site-wide moderation team) frequently swoops in and deletes comments that are offensive to trans people, but well within current political discourse in the US. That has undermined our mission of being a forum for diverse voices to hold productive but difficult discussions. At a certain point, we entirely banned the discussion of trans issues because one side was able to speak freely and the other side was walking on egg shells. I'm solidly pro-trans, but that's no way to have a conversation.
This likely was done to try to keep Reddit from becoming a cesspool like the "free speech" sites like Gab, but it has turned out to be a lazy way that short circuits necessary conversations.
There is only one necessary converation around trans people, in which trans people say, Let us exist without being harassed or persecuted, and everyone else says, OK. Anything else is just allowing bigots a platform.
I think some people did take it too far, which seems to be a problem with a lot of social justice oriented communities, in particular people who are not part of a marginalized group making decisions to ban or otherwise censure your people on behalf of that group (I've seen it on both Reddit and Facebook in relation to trans and autistic people specifically).
That said, a lot of "polite disagreements" on Reddit really are/were transphobic, and even many questions were just bait to set the stage for anti-trans rhetoric, so I can see why it was easier for mods to come down heavy-handed.
The whole trend of "You are autobanned from subreddit X because you replied to a front page post from subreddit Y" did get extremely annoying though.
No matter how politely stated your disagreement is, if it boils down to "I don't think I should have to respect trans people's identity"/"I don't think trans people should have rights" then it's transphobic and I'm 1000% fine with that being bannable
Turns out when people complain about being censored and "free speech" it's because they got in trouble for not being able to call people the N word or becasue they want to "politely discuss" why certain people shouldn't be allowed to exist.
Since Nazis took over a Bluey Memes (children's cartoon) Facebook page, I realized the only way to be rid of them is to have a zero tolerance for Nazis policy. Anything community purports "free speech" should be considered an immediate dog whistle for fascist creep.
I agree with you. I hope karma is not implemented on Lemmy. The up/downvote system is fine the way it is now. I will say also coins and awards. I don't really think those are necessary. I'm aware that was something characteristic to reddit (correct me if I'm wrong) but I prefer all that to not come back.
From what I could gather in my short time here, Karma exists on Lemmy as well, it's just not a public stat and that's great because it completely eliminates the reason for karma whoring.
Sure you could try to add up all the upvotes and deduct your downvotes, but why bother? People trying to raise their karma (or those weirdos who were trying to farm downvotes) were always annoying at best and conversation killers at worst.
If karma becomes visible on Lemmy, I think it will start having the same problem of karma farm bots like reddit, people reposting to receive positive karma, trolls saying controversial things to receive negative karma, lots of spam, you know. . .
Reddit had a lot of subreddits where the users seemed to hate each other and I'm hoping that can be avoided with Lemmy. I guess with the way Lemmy works, two communities that hate each other don't have to complain about sharing the same website the way they did on Reddit.
That's already built-in by being able to block instances. For example, you can't see my comment right now because your instance blocked mine, presumably because you didn't want to be brigaded by communists!
As a reddit convert who just started on kbin, where can I read a bit about all this communists thing? I'm left leaning enough to call myself communist between friends and family so I'd like to observe where the political tendencies of these various instances lie. If it's too much of a hassle, never mind. I'll probably figure it out soon enough.
A concentrated effort by one online group to manipulate another. (e.g. by mass commenting)
When people from one group, organization, fandom, forum, server, etc. aggressively infiltrates, usually spontaneously, a rival forum, server, or stream; negative criticism is usually given to the victim of a brigade (the event itself sometimes being called a raid), with insults and counter-signaling common. Usually used in the past participle ("brigaded"). Brigades can be done in good humor, but are usually antagonistic in nature.
Brigading is an online harassment tactic where a group of people rally against an individual (or occasionally against a small group of people) in a coordinated, sustained and organized way.
Zero tolerance for fascists, and zero tolerance for state propagandists.
The fact that Lemmy is federated means you don't need to be tolerant of anyone and if they want to keep spewing bigotry and lies. If you make it impossible for them to exist in an instance they'll have to either give up or spool up their own instance that we can isolate.
Because running an instance requires some organization, maintenance, and money, anything that becomes too isolated from the rest of the fediverse will eventually die out.
Yeah, sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. At times, it's easy to identify a sarcastic comment, and sometimes it's not clear. I have myself interpreted comments on differently before seeing the /s at the end. Changes the entire perspectives sometimes.
Agreed. I can't tell you how many times in business I've seen a matter of fact text or email set someone off thinking the sender was some sort of monster. Try to add any humor and it can be 100% worse when it comes to interpreting.
I never had an issue with the /s used. Yes, I could read it as sarcasm 90% of the time before it appeared. But to me the written word should always add clarity. If the one commenting felt it should be used then so be it.
Poe's law mate. Without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views.
Writing and reading sarcasm on screenplays work, though. So why not on any Internet social platforms? This buffles a lot of Redditors. They really take the post/replies too serious.
i love sarcasm, it's the best hahahah there's nothing better than sarcasm, i wish all of lemmy was sarcasm, just pure sarcasm, nothing else, that'd be so awesome
maybe Elon musk will save the children /YET I SPEAK FALSLY FOR HUMOROUS EFFECT AS MUSK WILL IN FACT NOT SAVE ANY CHILDREN
You're stepping on the joke, once by mentioning it, and again by ripping out the best thing about low-key sarcasm: that some people don't get the joke.
This is a good point, and it lead me to a realization: on reddit, there are two crowds that don't get the joke. The first is the people the sarcasm makes fun of. The second is people on your side that just really love correcting people. Treating you like you're serious is a chance to correct you and gain community approval for how "right" they are. They miss the sarcasm because they're so excited to correct someone and gain community approval for it.
This isn't a problem in real life: you know who you're around, and you make sarcastic jokes when everyone around you knows your stance already. I can see why /s became a sort of necessary protection on reddit. We can hope to not have to protect ourselves from people like that here, and not need /s as a result.
I like the anonymity of Reddit (I had multiple accounts there too) but it would be great if we could use our own domains as a handle as a way of being “verified”. I know this is possible on the AT Protocol with BlueSky, might even be possible here, but I thought it would help with giving some authority/authenticity to users who want or need it.
That's a good thing about Fediverse. Anyone can create their own instance and recreate the board/community/magazine there. Nobody needs to be under the thumb of some sore mod.
We just need a well maintained core and installer so anyone, anywhere can get an instance going.
That's how I understand it anyway, please correct me if I'm wrong.
The original idea of so called "reddiquette" where people don't down vote because they disagree, they vote based on whether it contributes to the discussion or not. But obviously that's not easy to enforce in any way
One thing that I think would be interesting would be a small change to the upvote downvote system. Instead of just showing the total upvote -downvote, you could instead have a percentage, say as a pie chart. That way a user could visually see how agreeable/disagreeable a controversial topic is, instead of just + and - karma.
@gronapa
I wish there was multidimensional voting, and a way to filter out downvotes from people you don't align with. Minority opinions matter, but then getting downvoted to oblivion because the majority doesn't agree is damaging. It tends to lead to lowest common denominator content or proven reposts.
I've read it as a way to counteract echo chambers.
Assuming votes influence what opinions people voice, minority opinions have a hard time. Which can lead to them being underrepresented, and the vicious circle towards echo chamber has started.
If the minority opinion poster can make themselves more comfortable, how would that (also) lead to echo chambers?
Yeah I proposed that on one of the GitHub feature requests for Lemmy, per-instance configurable multi dimensional voting. The default implementation to be "relevant/irrelevant" and "agree/disagree"
Seems like that's a lost hope points to trans athlete comments above. Mastodon was essentially a leftist space upon creation as well, wasn't it? I'm new here, but I am hoping that once people catch on to how the fediverse works, they will sort themselves into their "appropriate" instances, or just leave altogether. I do not care about the echo chamber argument, I want my online space to be relatively cozy and not filled with "WeLl AcKtUaLlY" smug centrists.
What is the connection between communism and the transgender movement? Is it as simple as there being significant overlap as marginalized groups fighting against the status quo? The interviews for the Marxist instances pointedly asked how I felt about LGBTQ, and now you're intimating that discussing Trans athletes is indicative of someone being a liberal as opposed to a leftist. I don't see how someone's opinion about Trans athletes has anything to do with their opinion about the optimal socioeconomic structure of society.
yes, i would much rather be among people who don't actively support the pillaging of the global south and the american war machine, i don't like being among people who treat my identity as a trans woman as something that should be subject to debate over whether i should be allowed to get gender affirming care. I dont want every second of being online to be focused around debate bro liberals asking me to justify my beliefs to them, if they want to learn i'm willing to talk, if they want to try to do an epic own in the free market place of ideas i don't really care enough to engage that much, except maybe to mock them.
i think the redditor influx to lemmy is a good thing, its created an active space for liberals to be taught some class consciousness by committed communists from lemmygrad and hexbear in a space that is controlled by other open marxist leninists. it doesnt mean i have to like the liberals though.
I support a critical view of western media, which has shown itself time and again to grossly exaggerate claims about the actions of the Chinese state's actions.
Is there enough there for me to be concerned about what is happening in Xinjiang? Sure, but I have been burned enough to not accept the most extreme version of events without a degree of skepticism.
Knowing a few things about the history of China over the last 200 years and relations with the west over that time period would bring a degree of nuance to the conversation I'd really appreciate.
There are probably things on China that I'm gonna strongly disagree with you on, yet some things that we'll probably find common ground on. Hope we'll have a healthy exchange of ideas when the topic comes up