What is the end game?
What is the end game?
What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.
Oligarchs replace most government functions with private entities that they have equity in and funnel tax dollars into their own companies. It looks like they're trying to cause a depression too, so they can buy everything up for cheap (farms, homes, etc). I think they're stupid, but not stupid enough to not realize an economic depression coupled with gutting social safety nets will lead to massive crime waves and riots; so I'm guessing they're planning on a police state and work camps for people they arrest (think that's what they're going to do with many of the immigrants too).
I've heard it postulated they are realigning with Russia and other dictators because we'd lose our normal allies if we became such a society. And they probably have very lucrative deals with Russia as well.
I sucks we don't have a good, inspiring opposition party or something to lead or rally around. Without that, anger will just manifest as unorganized, unproductive riots and violence. "Conservatives" are still pretty brainwashed too; believing whatever they're told by media. They will support the government gunning down and enslaving "criminals," at this point in time. I'd hope that changes when things get hard, but media will work hard to redirect the blame.
President Muskrate is an accelerationist; who believes that societal collapse should come sooner rather than later. Some speculate that his plan is to capitalise on burgeoning AI along with the billionaire class to control people once the dust settles.
It's a coalition of crazy. It isn't entirely clear who is going to be in control of what or for how long. It could get very messy.
Paranoia can tell you anything you don't control is a threat - whether it's another country, a race, a personality type, lack of web privacy, whatever. The MAGA leaders are so drenched in that paranoia, there's really no limit to what they might do to squash anyone and anything they see as a possible threat to them.
When an empire can't expand, by means of territory, knowledge, or other means; it turns inwards on its own people and territories in a last ditch effort to survive, as it lunges towards its inevitable collapse.
The rate of profit continues to decline because of overcapitalization. Factions are aligning to decapitalize rivals in order to increase their own rate of profit.
Also, they're all manic and dissasociated.
There is no endgame, it's just "how much bribery and corruption can I do before I have to leave the legal immunity bubble that the Supreme Court created.
They're rich enough that they will be unaffected by the global consequences of their actions.
All these US-centric answers. Learn Mandarin. The world will continue on after the US empire ends.
4 channer said to not do that.
Also mentioned most business are fake or provide fake materials, probably why buildings are made of tofu in china
Orange juice
What they think they're doing and what they're actually doing are two different questions. What they're aiming to do is keep things trucking along while making as much profit as possible, more or less the same as most politicians, but with a bit more of a realpolitic approach. There is no long term plan, and that goes for basically anyone remotely near to the levers of power. What we have is a system of competing groups all singularly focused on maximizing their profits for the next quarter, nobody's actually at the helm and it's an open question whether anyone could take the helm and alter the course from the natural progression determined by systemic forces.
Where we are actually headed, regardless of who's in charge, is a matter of several inconvertible facts. First, the US is clearly in decline and will eventually lost its spot as global hegemon, at this point, there is a serious risk that it will start WWIII in response, as Americans are not ones to accept defeat gracefully. Second, climate change will render more and more areas in developing nations unstable or uninhabitable, causing a major refugee crisis which has already started and is going to get considerably worse. What measures will be taken to maintain the dividing lines that keep people from poor countries out of rich countries is another question, and it may well be answered with genocide.
If, by some miracle, cooler heads prevail and we don't start WWIII, and you're lucky enough to have been born in a rich country, then we will likely just see things get gradually and progressively worse. But it will be the kind of apocalypse where you still have to go to work. Day to day life will carry on, just with more uncomfortable things you have to push out of mind, more frequent shootings, the reemergence of all kinds diseases and more pandemics that you'll be expected to work through. There isn't going to be a tipping point that causes a revolution, nor are the elites going to unveil a secret plot to make everyone eat bugs or whatever. You're just going to be working longer hours, affording less, retiring later (if at all), and probably having to navigate and even more bullshit process for applying for jobs. Going further into this sort of "boring dystopia" is almost certainly where we're headed.
The two most important political priorities, arguably the only two priorities that really matter, are demilitarization andopposing war with China, and opposing genocide of foreigners/refugees/immigrants. These are the things we will be facing, perhaps within the next 10 years (but if not then certainly later), and if we aren't able to organize resistance along those lines, things are going to get very ugly. Actually stopping the decline is very unrealistic/implausible and has been for some time.
The end game is a cyberpunk-esque corporate controlled future. No government, only companies/the owning class deciding what's happening. Yes, slavery essentially, because people have to work for them to survive, but that's already done. No "less work" savings because of rising productivity, only more and more money/power centralized in them.
These guys aren't corporate though
Endgame?
Look up curtis yarvin. That's basically their ideology. So 100s or 1000s of city states scattered around north America. Mostly dominated by either the religious extreme or tech bros and ai.
Ah, shit man.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin
Yarvin has influenced some prominent Silicon Valley investors and Republican politicians, with venture capitalist Peter Thiel described as his "most important connection".[15] Political strategist Steve Bannon has read and admired his work.[16] U.S. Vice President JD Vance "has cited Yarvin as an influence himself."[17][18][19] Michael Anton, the State Department Director of Policy Planning during Trump's second presidency, has also discussed Yarvin's ideas.[20] In January 2025, Yarvin attended a Trump inaugural gala in Washington; Politico reported he was "an informal guest of honor" due to his "outsize influence over the Trumpian right."[21]
Surprised more people aren't aware of this. It's basically the end of western civilization as we know it. Not even a theory really seeing as what they needed to happen in order for their plans to be successful has already happened. Anyone who could have stopped them has already been fired and replaced with loyalists.
Fascinating and bizarre, has he published any print books on this subject that I could pick up?
Check out https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/ There is a list of books he wrote with free PDF and links to Kindle store. "Mencious Moldbug" is one of his pseudonyms.
Simple. We are on the express to cyberpunk (the literary genre).
Cyberpunk is a subgenre of science fiction in a dystopian futuristic setting said to focus on a combination of "low-life and high tech". It features futuristic technological and scientific achievements, such as artificial intelligence and cyberware, juxtaposed with societal collapse, dystopia or decay.
Cyberpunk plots often involve conflict between artificial intelligence, hackers, and megacorporations, and tend to be set in a near-future Earth...
the two types of people in this world (if you're not a lib), literally the embodiment of the Mario says/Luigi says meme:
I don't think they know for sure where it will end up but no matter what it will be, it will be brilliant, it will be the greatest, and it will have been the plan all along.
Rich people like to keep their money. So the only objective right now is to dismantle the oversight within government. It's not government efficiency they're after but removal of impediments to big business interests. That's the Melon side of the plan. It's his ROI. It's also is MO. Tabula Rasa everything and then build anew. It didn't work for Twitter. I don't think it will work for a federal government. We've already seen lots of unintended side effects. Oops, we fired the guys who look after the nukes. Lives will be lost here and there but, cynically, not enough to mobilize the masses.
It is of course worrying that Trump said as much as wanting to enlarge the US again. I'm not sure yet if that's just a dead cat he's thrown on table to distract us from Melon or if that's really the plan. It worried the US NATO ally Denmark enough to massively increase their defense budget over Greenland. Trump likes to be contrarian. He feeds off the stir he causes. He never built the wall, Mexico never paid for it. But he reveled in the reactions. Greenland could be a similar thing but I'm not sure yet.
It's worrying me the amount of sh!t the lgbtq+ community is getting, especially the T. There is danger there. I don't think Trump cares an awful lot about this issue, he just likes it as a way to unite the sleepy, the anti-woke behind him. But there are people behind him and with power now that do care, that do want to please their leader. And that creates a maelstrom of zealous a-holes trying to one-up each other with cruelty to score browny points with the boss. When I think this through, I fear citizen liberty is most under threat here.
I don't believe a world war with nukes is what they're after. You cannot really prosper as a corporation if the planet is barely habitable due to the radiation and the nuclear winter. It would be bad for Wall Street. But they wouldn't mind a few conflicts comparable to Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine. While nukes have been threatened, they haven't been used. So it's a conventional war and that's good for arms manufacturers.
In simple terms, Trump's cozying up to Vlad actually decreases the threat of a world war III, at least in the short term. It reduces the number of trouble hotspots. There were big ones between the US and Russia (until January 25) and between the US and China. Trump parroting Kremlin talking points and showing the rest of NATO the middle finger reduces hotspots with Russia. Russia is on relatively friendly terms with China and could probably meditate issues between China and the US. At least in the short term, that's not a bad thing. But it isn't stable. It remains to be seen if Europe plus Canada plus X can fill the vacuum and that would reignite hotspots with Russia again.
I do agree that climate change poses a threat. I don't think the billionaires worry so much about it beyond buying New Zealand and blanketing it with villas with bunkers. But it is a threat to maintaining order when the people get hit with more severe tornados, droughts, etc. Best way to maintain order is an authoritarian government.
WW3 is coming. It is the solution to climate change that does not alter the oligarchy; it is a population problem from their point of view. No need to fix pollution or the environment if there are less than 1 billion humans on Earth. That buys at least another century of business as usual. This is the obvious solution for anyone without ethics to arrive at. If you do not have hundreds of millions of dollars now, you will be eliminated one way or another in the coming conflict. Wars have always been the primary form of population control in feudal societies. Thus the emergence of neo feudalism. You must have no access, communication, ownership, or rights so that you can be forced into the death grinder.
I don’t see how you can possibly be certain about this. The push to fight abortion rights and the constant bitching about how people aren’t having enough babies to maintain the workforce undermines this theory.
Unless you’re completely convinced that this is the future and the reason for it, I’d strongly suggest against stating it so certainly on the internet. Asking a question about it or stating it as a possibility given certain factors makes sense, but the way you said this can’t be good for your mental health, or the mental health of the people who read it.
See my comment to over_clox below. I'm pretty sure on many levels of abstraction. It is unlikely to convince you. I'm cool with that. I don't want it to happen. I'm simply noting the pieces aligning. I am broadly curious in many areas and subjects. I am also more broadly aware and generally skeptical than most people. None of that is a source of depression or in any way shape or form a justification for your accusatory statement implying the state of my mental health. I find that accusation tangential, offensive, and a personal attack in reply to a general statement where there was no individual in question. Turning a broad abstraction into a personal attack on an individual is reprehensible and rather pathetic behavior.
Nah, that population thing doesn't seem to add up to me, otherwise they wouldn't have done everything they have to ban women's reproductive rights and right to abortion...
Abortion keeps people poor and far more exploitable. There is nothing more expensive than being poor.
Humans are only a resource to those with no ethics. When there are too many of a living resource causing damage to an environment, one culls the population. One does not shape the environment to ethical concerns about the lives unlucky enough to be within that population.
Populists have always been the most dangerous humans that have ever existed.
I'm no expert. I hope I am wrong. I break molds. I think for myself. I put pieces together when, in practice, others do not. I want to know and expect the worst case scenario. My abstract thinking and curiosity takes me on many tangential paths to similar conclusions and often right answers. I hope I am wrong, but I do not think so. Peaceful times in history are an exception and not the rule. Drones have massively reduced the cost of killing in the last 2 years. We are on the cusp of autonomous armies instead of infantry. If one is willing to accept unlimited civilian and friendly fire casualties, we are already at that point. The USA has invalidated international law and undermined any legitimacy by blocking any appointments of judiciaries. Africa is a powderkeg of conflicts from Morocco to most of the sub Saharan region to Ethiopia. Rwanda is leveraging participation in the UN to invade the Congo. Venezuela is likely to attack Guiana for oil. Türkiye is likely to attack Cyprus. China is going to take Taiwan by 2030. North Korea has taken unprecedented steps to break off ties with the West and SK, openly stating its intentions to attack SK. Iran has had all of its proxies rendered useless and a more direct approach to conflict is likely.
Meanwhile, the USA, Europe, and Japan have declining and aging populations. All also have terrible industrial capacity and nonexistent local resource acquisition. There is no chance that the USA is ramping up a large military force in a hurry like in WW2. Right now, if TSMC and Samsung are stuffed from an attack in Taiwan and South Korea at the same time, all we have left on the cutting edge is Intel and they are in terrible shape right now and largely relying on TSMC for the cutting edge stuff. If all of the fronts open at once, the West cannot cover all of them, and that leads to the inevitable WW3 scenario.
Of all the countries in the world of today. I expect Russia and Israel to be clever with intelligence. They have proven themselves more capable than most on many occasions. I think Putin is ramping up production like an underdog getting extra ready for a fight. I think China is pulling most of the strings and doing so to gain Taiwan and end its civil war. I also think Israel secretly knew about Oct 7th and wanted an excuse to annex Gaza and eventually the West Bank. If they know WW3 is coming, both the combat experience and the fortification of more defensible boarders are strategic. The extent that Iranian proxies were neutralized and civilians targeted were no balanced response. Those point at calculated strategy. Israel is also like a US weapons R&D lab of sorts and has been proving and improving AI tech in the conflict. I think they are using a primitive excuse for an AGI to pick targets and shape narratives in the media both in stories and what amounts to assassinations of the press.
Then there is the ultimate factor. The whole reason why the world shifted from military driven economics to venture capital is because silicon promised and delivered growth faster than military spending could match. Shockley proposed this all the way back in the late 1950's. That is over now. The exponential growth of silicon is effectively stalled. Without a new industry capable of growth that is substantially larger than what the largest militaries are capable of spending, the world must return to an era of military driven economies that have been the rule for most of recorded history. These economies use their militaries to justify their existence and to press advantages before they disappear. The end of the age of silicon based venture capital should coincide with a return to the ways of the past, and indeed that is what we are seeing early signs of happening. There is no effective replacement for silicon in the works. Technically, the next major age of tech will be biological, but we are likely a couple of centuries away from a solid understanding of biology as a true engineering field where something like a brain can be synthesized as a deterministic Turing complete computer on par with a current generation CPU.
Again, I hope I am wrong, but there are many levels of abstraction with pieces lining up indicating that I am not wrong in understanding the worst but likely potential outcome. I expect that, if population control is the underlying main objective, the conflict will be large scale nuclear. It is probably the last chance for them to be super effective anyways. Once automated robotic infantry is possible, goals and warfare change drastically.
That is a control issue. They target groups they wish to control (e.g. Conservative Christians) and they tackle one of their major issues/needs to get the group into their pocket. CC want to oppression women, destroy minorities and LGBTQ. So the billionaires fund all this hateful shit to get CC to vote and support who the billionaires want in power. That is why the Orange one is president, he is an easily controlled idiot who handed over the keys to Mr Swastikar.
So far, seems to be a poor bid at reindustrializing, as the US is failing to keep up with China's growth and will see its global Hegemonic status falling. More than anything, it seems like the current admin are "true believers" of the lies the architects of Empire concocted to justify their tools, hence why the current admin is gutting USAID and other forms of soft power exertion.
The US can't re-industrialize without Socialism, so it will flounder until it collapses via revolution as it dies a slow death.
The hour is later than we know regarding climate change. Authoritarianism is the only way for governments to maintain control for as long as possible, protecting the powerful.
Collapse of civilization is right around the corner.
Slavery, war and genocides.
The world of the 17 th century and the VOC.
To get all of the tricks remaining in the deck
power
Three-way RISK to hoard resources, nuclear winter to hail Mary climate, a domed city, and a bunch of women on a spaceship with Elons kids and Y-chromosomes.
Pfft, why do the men have to enjoy it either? Isn't the entire point of being evil to inflict as much suffering as possible?
I think once the singularity is reached with AI, it will quickly be able to take over all systems (including banking). I believe that it will be benevolent and will help humanity reach enlightenment. Most people will get an early retirement. But, some people such as Musk, Zuck, Bezos, will be considered essential and will be required to assist the AI and their robot armies in the fields, restaurants, factories, etc. I’m thinking we would only need about 1% of the population to work at that time, the top 1% are the best candidates.
Its fascinating that millenarians have now latched on to software developed for fraud and generating non-consensual pornography.
I doubt AI will ever have it's own will. First to get their hands on ASI, becomes God forever.
EDIT: Imagine a beyond human AI, restoring life to everyone who has ever lived, and making more life, just so it can inflict beyond-comprehensible torture, just doing whatever is the opposite of good. If possible, forever.
Why would it waste resources doing these unnecessary tasks?
