Passenger jet collides with helicopter while landing at Reagan Washington National Airport, FAA says
Passenger jet collides with helicopter while landing at Reagan Washington National Airport, FAA says
A passenger jet has collided with a helicopter while landing at Ronald Reagan National Airport near Washington.
A passenger jet has collided with a helicopter while landing at Ronald Reagan National Airport near Washington.
smashed into a military Blackhawk helicopter
Speaking from DC there's way the fuck too many low-flying helicopters around here. If it's indeed a blackhawk it's probably some military bigwig going to or from the pentagon a mile away.
I'm pretty pissed that an army blackhawk was anywhere near a commercial jet's flightpath. Who do these moron army pilots and pentagon bigwig dickheads think they are? Our government has been a crooked clownshow for a while now but now its the military as well? If everyone on the helicopter wasnt already dead I'd be looking for some jail time for the helicopter people. Heck of a job.
And Vances response is an ask for everyone to "say a prayer?" Is that some sort of joke? What an arsehole.
JBAB and the Marine One hangar are directly across the Potomac from DCA. I'm honestly kind of surprised this is the first time this has happened.
but now its the military as well
Dawg it started there
As others have said, it's far too early to attribute blame. But beyond that, airspace control philosophy is basically that everyone deserves to be in the sky. The collision occured at 400 feet which is a very normal place for a helicopter to be. This occured very near the approach end of a runway, which is more unusual, but doesn't mean they're automatically in the wrong for being "anywhere close to a commercial jet's flight path".
Helicopters have every right to be there too. Even if it’s just a training flight, they need to be familiar with the complexities so they can do their job when they need to.
What we know so far the helicopter was fine, right up until they confirmed they saw the jet and would pass behind it. Sometimes it can be tough to see in the clutter, and I imagine it’s worse at low altitude and night
They have to be. Basically helicopters fly low enough to be out of controlled airspace, below where airplanes should be. They’re slow and maneuverable and may want to go anywhere so control basically doesn’t care as. Long as they stay below controlled airspace. It usually works
In this case they were clearly talking to control, but the tower relied on them to see and follow. Where did that normal procedure go off track? At the surface they said they saw the jet so it’s one them, but it wont be that simple and I’m sure there will be confounding factors
Apparently a training mission. No bigwigs
Just horrible. There are so many safeguards to prevent this from happening. I'm very curious to find out more details on who's to blame.
Knowing a lot of families are going to be affected by this, this a tragedy no matter who or what is to blame. This is scary as hell all things considered, but we (or at least I) have to remember that a vast majority of investigations following crashes like this implicate a series of tiny but compounding errors. Regardless, it will still take time to figure out.
My speculation based on the video that could point to human error: It appears the aircraft were possibly closing in on each other somewhat perpendicularly for an extended amount of time. With their relative speeds/distances to the crash point, the aircraft may have appeared as remaining at the same point in each other's respective windows, with nighttime glare and light pollution effects making scale and distance hard to judge.
However, just from a momentum and maneuverability standpoint, the aircraft with the "right of way" here was almost certainly the jet on course for landing, and it would have been the helicopter's responsibility to establish and maintain visuals.
But who knows at this point. All I know is I'm tired of tragedy in every form.
I mean, ATC would also normally be keeping an eye on traffic? Either one if the aircraft ignored ATC, or they weren't warned.
According to commenters on reddit who listened to the ATC recordings: ATC asked the blackhawk to confirm visual of the passenger aircraft. When the blackhawk confirmed ATC told them to wait and then manoeuvre behind the passenger aircraft.
The military aircraft was therefore responsible for maintaining a visual separation which clearly they failed to do. Possibly they were looking at the wrong aircraft. Therefore it seems likely ATC wasn't responsible.
Obvs this all based on idiots on reddit claiming to have expertise so trust it as much as you would ChatGPT.
Odds that this has anything to do with the government falling apart?
ATC are fed employees, this happened at the worst-named airport in DC ....
Possible but probably not. ATC have been understaffed and overworked for years and this is the inevitable result.
Combine that with a military that has historically always done whatever the fuck it... err, support the troops and thank you for your service. Can I have my salmon tossed under the broiler please?
But yeah. This is less a consequence of trump and more a consequence of our fundamentally broken culture and government that predates him.
My friend is an ATC and I saw him last week. From my conversations with him they haven't been hit with Trump shenanigans...yet
Looks like an American Airlines passenger jet with 60 passengers and additional crew collided with an Army Blackhawk Helicopter when attempting to land at Reagan Washington National Airport, causing the AA plane to crash into the Potomac River. This is very very not good.
PSA Airlines, doing business as American Eagle.
Do Black Hawks come with TCAS?
I just find it so unbelievable, not in a conspiratorial way, that such a thing could happen with all the safe guards in place.
From information on flightradar24's article, the collision happened at around 300-400 ft. Those altitudes are too low for TCAS to issue alerts. The Black Hawk had a transponder broadcasting with mode S, so it would be visible to TCAS and the tower, but it was not broadcasting ADS-B, which would let you see it on most flight tracking websites.
The jet would have received an audible TCAS alert if this happened at a higher altitude.
Not only is it too low for things to work effectively but now you have city lights to contend with. It’s all too possibly the helicopter lost sight of the jet amidst all the lights.
There must have been a reason why the jet was told to switch runways. Was there another jet that could have been confused for that one? At night it’s tough to see distances and types of jet, so it’s possible the helicopter was looking at the wrong jet.
The jet was told to switch runways. They adjusted but were they where they were supposed to be? Airports have a complex layout of traffic patterns and controlled airspace. When it works well, traffic is nicely separated and predictable, but when everything changes it’s easy to not be where you’re supposed to be
I always assumed military aircraft didn't have TCAS or any other such technology that could give away the position of the aircraft. But thinking about it, why not? They do have transporders, they just have an off switch for them.
So I don't know. Maybe they don't have TCAS, maybe they forgot to turn it on. Either way, TCAS probably wouldn't work at low altitude during a landing.
We will probably have to wait for the accident report.
Watching the video, it's also very weird the helicopter didn't seem to try and avoid the collision at all.
So I look into it and TCAS seems to be available in an upgrade package.
Navy variants of the Blackhawk do not have TCAS. I can only assume the army is similarly lacking that function.
Too low for TCAS probably
This is a failure of communication. Why wasn't air traffic control made awhere of the military aircraft? This was a 100% avoidable incident. People need to be put on trial for incompetence, negligence, I bet their is a protocol to follow to avoid such incidents, I bet it wasn't followed under Trump's america. Tragic to the magnitude of maximum. This was 100% avoidable.
RIP to all on those flights.
VASAviation has the raw ATC audio. If you're not used to listening to ATC, read the comments for interpretation. Lots of experienced folk there.
In general, the aviation industry doesn't assign individual "fault" the way many do. It's taken as a collective responsibility. It seems at this stage that there's a lot of responsibility on the helo pilot, but there's also some communication ambiguity. Let's let the pros do their work and not jump to conclusions.
they were aware and made several attempts. the failure is with the military ignoring the tower.
ATC had contact with the helicopter. They advised it of the regional jet and asked them to confirm they could see it. The helicopter replied that they had it in sight and asked for permission to maintain visual separation, which was granted, and they were advised to fly behind it. Essentially that means the helicopter advised they could see it, and would ensure they avoided it. About 5 seconds later they flew into it.
Before anyone says that it was crazy for the aircraft to just be told to avoid the other one, that is absolutely normal ATC operation, for aircraft in relatively close proximity to be told to be aware of each other and to maintain visual separation. If there was a failing, or room for improvement here, it was that ATC didn't tell the regional jet about the helicopter (they were on two different frequencies - quite normal for helicopters to be on a different one)
In my keyboard-expert opinion, the pilot of the helicopter identified something he thought was the regional jet and moved to avoid it, and the angles that the two aircraft were approaching each other from would have made it very difficult for either of them to see each other, especially at night.
Read the article. The person you want to put on trial is dead. And all of trumps "changes" have hardly taken effect yet. Unless the helo piolot was a transgender pilot that was intentionally committing suicide, this one isn't on trump. But don't worry, there will be no shortage of things to blame on trump for at least the next decade.
your kidding me right? what did musk do to the FAA chairman? pushed him out and made him resign because he was giving spacex fines. on January 20th he resigned. the trump administration replaced him with a yes man who ended up being an incompetent person unable to avoid this disaster this was 100% avoidable.
Alternative headline:
U.S. Army kills Russian elites Evia Shova and Andim Naov with Black Hawk helicopter — Trump reduces security
These are victim or war. Cut the military budget to 0.
t. Ivan Ivanovich
