Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia With Long-Range U.S. Missiles
Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia With Long-Range U.S. Missiles
With two months left in office, the president for the first time authorized the Ukrainian military to use the system known as ATACMS to help defend its forces in the Kursk region of Russia.
wow. kudos for being the "now that it's too late to have an impact, i'm going to do the thing i should have done many months ago" president
Long range missiles can have a lot of impact in a short time.
Especially when they can be equipped with nuclear warheads and your enemy needs to decide what to do about that before they hit their targets
Plus who knows, 😜, maybe I don't have to work tomorrow!
I mean, if I was mangled into 30753 pieces mixed in with the neighbors dog and Misses Jane's tits on someone's windshield which is also in 1000 pieces and on fire tomorrow, then I don't have to go work.
But all good 👍 if we can possibly get sadam putin in a bag and toss him into the ocean with honors. Or just in to a bag. Tomorrow or this coming week would be a good time for that.
At the start of the invasion Russia was claiming they finally had hypersonic nuclear missles. Meaning they could get nukes past defense systems. That is the reason the US was hesitant to let things escalate.
Since then we’ve found out that Russias hypersonic missles had some misfires and still didn’t have the ability to steer at hypersonic speeds if I remember right.
That plus the fact that Trump is months away from helping Russia changes the strategy.
Sounds like your average president
Lame-duck presidency in a nutshell.
Now give them a thousand tomahawks and the location of every single Putin palace.
Unfortunately, only allowed in Kursk
Lame
This is actually great news. No reason to have a nuclear strike on US or its naval/military assets globally as a response.
Kursk was by far the stupidest Ukrainian move in the war, and they are losing badly there now. If Ukraine hits the nuclear plant or gas terminal though (not a defensive move outside their area of combat), US better immidiately cut off aid/support or get nuked.
This has the potential to be mostly nothing, and get Ukraine to negotiate withdrawal from Kursk to keep some of its last Ukrainians.
1000 black tomahawks of FREEDOM
I believe NYT makes you login, even on a gift link. Here is a TLDR:
President Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to strike Russian and North Korean forces in Russia, a significant shift in U.S. policy. This decision comes in response to Russia’s introduction of North Korean troops into the conflict and their anticipated assault on Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region.
The move reflects growing concerns over Ukraine’s ability to withstand simultaneous assaults while defending territory. The authorization aims to bolster Ukraine’s defense, target high-value military assets, and deter North Korean involvement. However, it has sparked debate among U.S. officials over escalation risks, as Russia might retaliate against the U.S. or its allies.
President-elect Donald Trump, who has vowed to reduce U.S. support for Ukraine, is set to take office in two months, adding urgency to the decision. The Ukrainian strategy may include using captured Russian territory in Kursk as leverage in potential future negotiations. Meanwhile, the risk of Russian countermeasures remains a central concern for Biden’s administration and its allies.
My take: I’ve been waiting on this since the US election. It’s sound strategy of we believe Putin won’t want to escalate with NATO before Trump takes office.
Better late than never, I guess.
While they won't be able to reach Moscow with these, even from within Kursk, I am willing to bet the authorization was withheld on intelligence grounds. A lot of things in the war make sense if you look at it from the perspective that arms support can't be guaranteed.
Instead of letting Ukraine just burn through weapons, the US and allies have waited until they have the full operational capability to deploy the weapons with extreme effectiveness. They've had ATACMS for a while, so I suspect they held off deep strikes until the most effective targets had been identified and the likelihood of effective strike was near certain.
That's giving everyone involved a lot of credit. To be honest, I sort of doubt these decisions were quite that rational.
Blindly stumbling along then trying to pretend it was 4D chess all along sounds much more like us
Credit where credit is due though, the US and NATO know a few things about blowing shit up
Kremlin. Go for Kremlin.
About time
Too little, too late. Just allowing it in kursk.
At least uk and france gave ukraine the green for using their weaponry in russia.
Yes, there should have never been these ridiculous restrictions.
Biden is such a prick for doing this.
He only did it out of spite to fuck up Trump settlement.
Too late.
Americans chose to abandon Ukraine when they elected Donald Trump and his Republican enablers.
Russia will win, there will be one less democratic nation on the planet, Russia will expand their borders, and Europe/NATO will be threatened.
Thanks conservatives, 3rd party voters, single issue voters, and non-voters. You really thought this one through.
They failed long before the Trumpanzee was voted in. This is just last moment desperation after they not only failed to support Ukraine, but failed to stop the Russian propaganda and bribery machine in the US.
But, Americans aren't wrong that they also failed long before this. They failed to support the people in favor of corporate interests. They failed to deal stop the Republicans from stacking the courts.
They failed because time and time again, they would rather try to appeal to Republican voters who will NEVER switch sides or change that minds in any significant number, while ignoring the issues that have decimated support with their own base and claiming to have the moral high ground.
Thks isn't just on the people that didn't show up to vote, but also the people in government that let it get to this point by continually failing to act.
Americans didn't. Only 1/3 of eligible voters voted for the rapist conman.
Those over 18 who don't vote, don't count.
What's the issue you have with a non democratic country?
I genuinely think most people (I used to just think most Americans) don't understand the alternatives.
Democracy has been proven not to work, and those involved in it will tell you that they agree, but there's no better option. -
Which if you think about it, isn't really an answer.
It's like saying: Democracy doesn't work, mathematically or otherwise. Try something that doesn't breed corruption. They all do, democracy is just the best corruption.
Which is bullshit. Mixing it up is the best way to stop the corruption.
We need a lot of anarchy in the world right now, otherwise we're just the fertilizer for power families. Our grandkids are fucked in general, except for the few that get a break.
Ah yes, one more country being puppeted by Russia, a country infamous for it's corruption, will decrease corruption. /s
Good move by Biden.
They only have 300 km range. They are very nice but still. Pretty sure Ukraine has struck further inland with drones.
Ah. Some fireworks before the show is over.
I’m seeing a lot of comments taking this literally or saying why didn’t he do this before –
You all realise this is a very powerful symbolic gesture, right? This is a diplomatic move, not a literal one. The president of the US would never strike at this time in this kind of proxy war, and this is the closest ‘fuck you’ he can issue at Russia (which, again, would not be said aloud).
There’s nothing the US president could do to poke the Russian bear –other than escalate it to a hot war – other than this. This is an outgoing diplomatic move, and that is all.
Kill those Russians. Target the North Korean troops.
Burn Moscow to the ground
Generally they do it themselves, and then you loose
There's obviously no logic whatsoever in allowing Russia to attack Ukraine freely from within its own borders while Ukraine is allowed to only defend inside its own borders. And Russia even thinks Crimea is part of Russia by some fucked up kindergarten bully logic.
No war ever in the history of mankind has followed such logic and neither does this one. If Russia threatens the use of nuclear weapons, then it is doing that without any sensible reason and it might have just as well done that without any war going on anywhere.
something about this seems kind of fucky. the time to do this was years ago. what is brandon's calculation? that russia won't do shit because their bitch is taking over? or is he finally convinced, somehow, that russia could never do shit in the first place?
I think north Korea entering the fight likely has a lot to do with it.
Plus now trump will have to actively take this permission away as opposed to not giving it.
it just seems like something outside of brandon's ability, doing something strategic to fuck trump. the north korea angle i agree with.
Lame-duck presidency.
Doing it before can affect the election. He didn't know Kamala was gonna lose anyways.
I feel like I'm alone in perceiving this as a bad thing. Ukraine will never win this war because Russia will just throw warm biddies in the front lines like they always have. And if something like this does end up making an impact they can fall back on nuclear weapons and then we're all dead.
What am I missing here?
uh, MAD? russia isn't going to use strategic nuclear weapons.
There is alternative to MAD. Nuking US ships and foreign military bases, is not missiles headed to US, and doesn't trigger 6000 missiles back. It is only launching 1000+ ICBMs that triggers MAD response, and US destroyed, btw.
So... just always give Putin whatever he wants anytime he wants without limit?
Nobody said that. But hurling towards making that his only option isn't wise either.
Why would exactly this change lead to a nuclear war???? The 45 other times, it did not either.
Russia isn't gonna nuke us. At most he'll nuke Ukraine. Nuking Ukraine will not lead to western countries nuking Russia, but if russia nukes a nato country, they're dead too.
Nuking Ukraine would cause a world war.
Perhaps you're missing the end result of applying your logic everywhere. For instance, in place of Europe, there would be Nazi Germany, still existing, and looking forward to actually being a thousand-year reich.
I don't see any way this logic could work without the world turning into fascist hellholes.
The rational move by Russia would be to withdraw from Ukraine before launching nukes. Nobody wants to conquer irradiated land, and the Ukranians would agree to a ceasefire.
He's supposed to be calming shit down before Trump takes office, not setting the stage for WW3. Fucking maniac
Yeah no, putin is the one wanting ww3 not biden
Yeah, Biden need to set the stage for Trump to try to force Ukraine into surrendering its land to a murderous dictator so that the dictator can further his plans to take more land later gah.