Bernie Sanders Is Right: Democrats Have Abandoned the Working Class
Bernie Sanders Is Right: Democrats Have Abandoned the Working Class
The party chased former Republicans and rich donors, while alienating the working-class majority.
IMO this is why the Democrats need to start work on the next election candidate yesterday.
When I say Democrats, I say those that want a progressive leader rather than another "safe" career politician. Find a candidate that is willing to stand, create a section of the Democrats (or back the Democratic Socialists of America), and do everything to empower this person towards running.
I know that many will say "buh actually there won't be more elections because Trump evil". Trump isn't lasting a third term, nor is he actually going to follow through on half of the shit he says he'll do. He's a loose cannon, and he's already doing shit that's pissing off the GOP that want Project 2025. Like with the last Trump presidency, the GOP think they control the White House, but in reality it's demantia-ridden Trump.
Focus on getting someone in that can spend eight years after fixing what Trump has done.
pedons don't decide who is running on the national ticket... see bernie 2016
Right as always. Too bad he'll never be prez...
The hypocrisy I see as an outsider. American left demanding old white men get out of politics, yet wanting Bernie, an old white man. Why is it that only YOUR dinosaur should rule? Bernie doesn't even have a protoge, he should! Not having one shows he's not interested in ceding power or influence and doesn't want a young person around
Edit: the down votes prove my point on the hypocrisy. If you guys actually cared about what Bernie says you would have all voted Harris
Wtf? A protege? Ceding power? We don’t want a king, you fucking shitwit. The person who follows him needs to put in the work, same as he did. They’re supposed to be serving us, not the other way around, you twatwaffle.
They were never with us
You're not working class if you're a software developer. If you think you know their world, you're also delusional or larping.
"Working class" refers to people whose main source of income is a salary earned on exchange for labour, in a free contract between them and an employer.
"Capitalist class" refers to the ones purchasing the labour power of others in order to have them work capital that the former own.
You're confusing "working class" with "lower class". The concepts of low, middle and upper class are quite diffuse, mostly based on income, and used to draw artificial barriers between workers who at the end of the day have more common interests than different ones.
I don't know the person you're responding to but I have to say that not all software developers earn lots of money like the folks in silicon valley. I earnt less than the median wage in my country for a long time. Also if you're renter in a country with a rental crisis you're be losing most of your wages to that, and getting kicked out every 12 months, losing your savings to moving costs. I'm more stressed than I was working as a manual labourer in 2009.
They did decades ago too. But they still are actively refusing to acknowledge the American working class exists and are struggling.
Whoever told Kamala to brag about the economy to anyone that isn't a millionaire needs to be the first person to never work in politics again, but most of the DNC leadership clearly are either intentionally blowing elections because that's what their donors won't, or are completely and totally inept.
We need a popular vote of registered Dem voters to determine DNC leadership and party platform If we keep giving leadership to whoever gets the most donations, they'll keep ignoring the working class because it's easier to get money from the wealthy.
But they still are actively refusing to acknowledge the American working class exists and are struggling.
The Bern is smart and usually right about these kind of things.
That said, I'd argue that even in the campaign this year some steps were taken in the right direction, e.g.
We have not even brought forth legislation to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, despite the fact that some 20 million people in this country are working for less than $15 an hour
But then, https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/23/politics/federal-minimum-wage-harris-trump/index.html
Whoever told Kamala to brag about the economy to anyone that isn’t a millionaire needs to be the first person to never work in politics again
I can see this as being a calculated risk - take credit for something that sounds good - but yeah they forgot the maxim "it's the economy, stupid!"
We need a popular vote of registered Dem voters to determine DNC leadership and party platform
Better yet, a reformed system so that a third party who implements this has a legitimate shot at the highest offices.
If we keep giving leadership to whoever gets the most donations, they’ll keep ignoring the working class because it’s easier to get money from the wealthy.
Perhaps I defeated myself here - I came here to justify the Dems but if I'm saying we have a better shot at reforming the US constitution than we do at reforming the internals of the Dem party, then I've really done the opposite.
I understand that online this inaccurate sentiment is in the 24-hour news cycle so you'll see a lot of inaccurate articles today, but in real life, Biden has proven himself with direct legislative and personal action to be the most pro-union pro-working class president in decades.
If you're unaware of the legislative actions he's dedicated to the working class during his presidency alone(higher wages, union rights, employee rights and so on), you can check out this list:
He literally shut down a strike and threatened to send the workers to jail if there were any work stoppages. If that’s the “most pro-union” the democrats have got, then the working class needs to abandon you entirely next election and form a third party, because you’re our enemies.
as i mentioned, you are quoting the same single misunderstood instance of perceived anti-union activity and are ignoring his entire administration's commitment to the working class, workers rights and increased wages, and unions.
give the article a read, it's a good article with plenty of supported facts.
Biden has proven himself with direct legislative and personal action to be the most pro-union pro-middle class president in decades.
The problem is that the bar is so low that this is true
The qualifier isn't even necessary.
bar notwithstanding, even by the measures of a progressive presidency, the legislation biden has dedicated to and enacted for the working class is very impressive.
That can't be said about the measures taken by any other president in at least half a century.
the most pro-union pro-middle class president in decades
So you agree with Bernie that he wasn’t helping the working class?
middle class
noun
- The socioeconomic class between the working class and the upper class, usually including professionals, highly skilled laborers, and lower and middle management.
- A social and economic class lying above the working class and below the upper class
nope, if you read the rest of the comment detailing unions, employee rights and wages, you may be able to work out that "middle" is clearly a typo and the context is obviously the working class.
I wrote "working" class in the next sentence the second time I referenced biden's policies in the same comment.
The link in the same comment also mentions "working" people.
but at least you were super obnoxious about a typo for no reason!
Don't hurt yourself patting your own back.
Working class was abandoned right after fall of USSR if not out right during demented Raygoon
it took us 40 years to figure this out tho... gonna need to do better here peasants.
Yep, the USSR's existence as a competing superpower forced the American ruling class to focus on preventing a similar revolution domestically. Now with the fall of the USSR, the PRC is the next in line, and relations have soured since the 90s and 2000s when it looked like the PRC was going down a similar path as the USSR's liberalization and eventual collapse, but this turned out to not be the case as the PRC has started increasing public ownership and planning under Xi.
The Democrats are overly centralized for their diverse coalition, and can't please all of the ethnic groups, working class, indistinguishable middle class, and billionaire donors.
Can we have viable 3rd parties please?
And please don't start with a presidential election, just get on local city and town councils, school boards and build from there.
I vote 3p straight ticket until 1) something changes OR 2) i am dead.
I am done feeding regime whores my votes and to provide this clown set up any legitimacy.
As side note, when you vote 3P, look up your local rules to ensure that your vote is actually counted! you must do this otherwise, it is the same as not voting and many states won't count your vote unless you do it right.
Disgusting 2 party system is there to preserve owner class grip on power.
Thats no excuse not to vote and enable fascism. That lead to there never being free elections again so 0 chance to improve things.
Fascism is Capitalism in decay, it can't be stopped at the ballot box. I highly recommend reading theory, it can help make sense of our modern world. I made an intro to Marxism reading list that you can check out, the second work listed Blackshirts and Reds goes over the historical causes, aims, and reasons for fascism in the first chapter.
Our elections were never going to change things. Losing electoralism isn't great don't get me wrong but when the only people you can reasonably get elected are presented to you by the owning class it isn't a free election.
There is a reason we call so many problems "systemic"
If Bernie Bros actually cared about what Bernie says, they would have voted Harris
And they did. Liberals just can't admit they are, and have been since Reagan, the problem.
The only time Bernie Sanders is right, is when he's apologizing and walking back the last time he was wrong.
It's amusing how this comment manages to be so non-specific and vague while also flamebaiting.
Bring an actual contribution to the thread or fuck off.
They have a point. Bernie was supporting Kamala until election day, and using language such as "the conflict in Israel and Gaza" in order to try and placate more progressive voters and get them to hold their nose strong enough to vote for Kamala. Now that the strategy failed, instead of owning it and apologising, now that Bernie is opposition again instead of belonging to the establishment through the party in government, he can appeal to progressives
Stop blaming the democrats. It's the people who voted for the weirdos party. Conservatives care about the working class less than democrats. Would You prefer democrats to bullshit people just so they can win? Trump's win is the fault of Americans being the stupidest people on earth.
The Democrats campaigned to the right rather than appeal to the Working Class, and failed to garner the support required to win. Their loss is their fault.