A few more days. Please, just gotta hold off a week and a half. After that, I can shift gears from "Fuck's sake please just support the non-fascist candidate against the literal fascist" to "These are the problems in this fucking country and they need to be addressed, and fuck Harris if she doesn't"
Just spare us an immediate future of fascism. Buy yourselves, and ourselves, more time to work. Even if you think this is ONLY buying time, buy it. Because things are NOT going to be easier to organize under a fascist regime - and the idea that the more people suffer, the more they're inclined towards your, specific, political views, is just not borne out by reality.
Third parties have some valid ideas and I don’t oppose voting them in down ballot to create an alternative to the two main parties.
But voting for them as presidential candidates right now means that I’m effectively voting against my ideals.
I do think it depends on where you live. In about half of states, your vote for president is meaningless. Mississippi isn't going blue and Massachusetts isn't going red. In those cases, voting third party has the chance to effect future federal election funding.
But yeah, if you're in a state with literally any chance at all of being a toss up, don't vote 3rd party.
It's selection bias on their part, they'll point to the fall of the Tsar and say "see, see, revolution comes from oppression!", and ignore what happened to the communists in Germany, lol.
They really have a hard-on for violent revolution, when peaceful revolution may still be an option...
For anyone who honestly believes in third party stuff: try supporting ranked voting at the local and state level. Once we have more ranked voting at local and state levels, it will be easier to push that at the federal level, which is the best way to solve strategic voting problems in presidential elections.
Nobody would support ranked voting for presidential elections if that's the first time they hear about it. But if people use it already in local elections, and see that it works better, then extending it to presidential elections is a logic choice.
Ranked choice baybeeee!
Ranked is better than our current system, but it still has a lot of flaws. Approval and STAR are better systems.
I’m not AmericanI’ve seen this meme shared going back to “3 months before the election”. When people have been protesting for way longer than that, and not only have they been ignored, but silenced, I’m not surprised when they turn to more drastic measures to be heard.
EDIT: well, this makes sense, it was you who posted the previous memes lol
They haven’t built any third party to anything meaningful yet.
They haven’t built any third party to anything meaningful yet.
Sure "they" have! The Russians have built a third party that manufactures fake outrage and sows chaos that attempts to drive a wedge between left and far left opinions.
The fun won't end after the election, and (won't be) until Putin and his FSB are buried under the Kremlin.
Lemmy.ml is all about this right now. The idiots... They claim to want things to lean more left, then they help the right with their narrative.
Ever since coming here (Lemmy) I've started to develop a solid bias against the far left. They are defeating their own goals when they do this shit.
For the record, I'm independent but I vote blue because the GOP is insane.
ngl, feels like holding in the worst fart. Can't wait to start complaining again!
Bruh. Jill Stein isn’t even on the ballot in my state. She’s got no chance.
Despite my earlier organizing, there are no independents on anything down ballot.
I live in a swing state so, sorry De la Cruz, I can’t vote for ya.
Funny you should choose this meme picture of a Pakistani cricket fan when their third party actually succeeded because people didn't fall for the usual two party propaganda of "they'll never succeed until we first fix X problem"
Were they polling at 3% a week before election day? In a FPTP system? Without ballot access in enough areas to actually win the election they claimed to be running in?
Beautifully informative, thank you!
Hi, I’m bloodfart. You may remember me from such posts as:
“I voted for party for socialism and liberation and you can too!”
And:
“They’re running Claudia de la Cruz on a platform of Palestinian statehood and an end to arms shipments to Israel”.
But today I’m here to talk to you about how psl is eligible for enough electoral votes to win a landslide victory.
You see, people working on behalf of one of the two major parties often deploy the argument that a third party can’t win, so you shouldn’t vote for them. Due to the tireless work of politically active, committed anti genocide Americans just like yourself, psl can get 474 electoral votes this November!
So get out there and vote psl! She can win if you vote for her!
She can win if you vote for her!
What the literal fuck are you smoking
There was some dem candidate for whomst people said “she can win if you vote for her”.
It’s nice to bring out the ol’ throw back lines from time to time.
I see the bad faith actors making a final push.
And look! Here’s one now!
The PSL is a trash option. It has a barely above zero chance to successfully scratch its own ass let alone become a viable candidate. And in the event that they accidentally manage to get themselves elected, all their batshit promises they’ve made will never see the light of day because they don’t actually work when pressed against reality.
And reality is where we live.
DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO SPOIL THE ELECTION.
They are not here in good faith.
One batshit promise that a president de la Cruz could make good on is not supplying weapons to israel by executive order, conditioning non military aid on a ceasefire and halting aid approved by congress due to its illegality under international and domestic law using the power of the justice department.
Harris could make good on that too, but Harris is in favor of the genocide so she won’t.
People have been talking about third parties for months, but there's always an excuse
You answered the prescient question - "months." They need to work a base down ballot first so they can actually get anything done in Congress. No one wants to do the groundwork and thinks if we just elect a 3rd party candidate in the highest office everything else will follow.
Wat a pipe dream.
Every election there is some excuse as to why we can not pivot to third parties. To me the bad-faith actors are all these clowns who say oh lets not bring it up til we think its appropriate. Like when is it gonna be appropriate? Some of us were for the likes of Perot and Nader, its been literally 3 decades of people saying hush up third parties. Like at this point, you can only assume these people love the status quo, and they are willing to fight any deviation from it.
Seriously though. Liberals should focus their energy on turning rightoids onto their side as opposed to trying to shame leftists if they actually cared about things like genocide or the environment. They won’t because they’re cowards and would rather shame the left endlessly and claim to not understand why every election the left doesn’t see why “ThIs TiMe ItS dIfFeReNt” every election for like 70 years is annoying to leftists.
bad faith "anarchist" actors on lemmy?, gwon
Most of them claim to be MLs or 'non-sectarian' leftists, not anarchists.
They don't claim to be russian-funded trolls based out of other countries?
Weird.
Honest question. What do you do for someone who's sole issue right now is to stop the genocide? There's only one candidate going for that afaik, and it's not Harris or Trump.
Under FPÐP, if it isn't eiðer of ðose candidates, ðen ðere is no candidate.
You're just voting to be complicit to ð degree everyone else chooses be it less or more.
