Under a toot announcing that firefox now supports CHIPS (Cookies Having Independent Partitioned State)

Yes, that's how it works. If you do bad stuff, people leave. They are no longer around to notice if you do good stuff.

Lemmy sure loves a circlejerk about shitting on Firefox.
- People aren't shitting on Firefox, people are shitting on Mozilla and rightfully so. Mozilla has made many bad decisions, decisions that may call into question the future of Firefox and whether their decisions will compromise it as a privacy friendly browser. After all if Mozilla starts making changes which are harmful towards privacy and hard codes them into the browser, there's no getting around that with user.js tweaks, that requires more work to fix.
  
  Thankfully there are forks of Firefox but since those depend on the upstream from Mozilla the more they change the harder it is to undo those changes. A manifest V3 style change (which isn't happening now but could happen in the future if they get into advertising), would be devastating, because even if Librewolf can undo those changes, it's very likely they would have to implement their own extension distribution system because AMO would very much reject incompatible add-ons in that scenario.
  
  So yeah people do have the right to criticize Mozilla in this regard, this trend has happened before, it will continue to happen in the future. Enshittification is a slow and ugly process, best to catch it in the early stages than to wait it out until you're already boiling (frog boiling analogy).
- I love my Firefox and no amount of downvotes could change that lol
- This post is about how Firefox needs to be loved more and it has over 500 upvotes, I think Firefox still has plenty of circlejerk potential on Lemmy
It takes years to build a good reputation. Moments to ruin it.
- Ask Colin Powell. Credibility is like virginity

A toot?

A toot
A mastodon, like an elephant, has a trunk it can sound like a trumpet.
The mastodon version of a post or, sadly, tweet.

It’s, uh, not the best name.

But maybe, just maybe, it more appropriately attributes correct value to a social media thing. ;)
- Mastodon devs were clearly aware of the quality of text people tend to write online. It’s a very fitting term IMO.
- Most people these days refer to them as posts, toots is older Mastodon linguo.
it's like someone looked at the word tweet and thought "how can i make this infinitely worse?"... i hope it never catches on. I don't know why people want their posts and announcements to sound like farts.
- There is a bigger history on this. Involving the Mastodon developer Gargon and a famous YouTuber Hbomberguy:
  
  https://mastodon.social/@Hbomberguy/146524
  
  Gargon, at that time wasn't aware of the double meaning, as they where non-native English speaker.
  
  It got changed back to "publish" relatively recent.
  
  Personally I liked "toot" it was unique and funny. Many Mastodon-Users still prefer or use "toot".
- Its catchy and funny and everyone remembers it once you tell them. In other words, its perfect.
- It varies from where you're from, where i am nkbody uses it (or even knows it refers to) farting

crazy how as soon as mozilla does good stuff nobody is there

We're all glad to see Mozilla have a win, at least I assume so. But there's been a lot of other much bigger decisions that have gone on recently that make us (at least me) hesitant to celebrate at the first good thing.

On the more technical side of things they are doing excellent work, it's on the bike shedding department that the overpaid management is doing idiotic choices.
- as always on these corporations
Yeah it's like the fucking Goat thing. Mozilla fucked a goat and shocked that that's all people remember.
I dunno, finally getting vertical tabs is not exactly making me hesitant to celebrate, quite the opposite. Someone at Mozilla must have been a portrait-mode desktop monitor user, can't understand the years-long resistance to this otherwise.
I think its very stupid that so many people criticize mozilla for engaging in ai.

Ai is the future.
- AI might be the future but certainly not like we're currently doing it, it's like saying "electric vehicles are the future" when you're only referring to cars.
- I think people fear it being an annoying default they can't switch off, instead of the useful supplement it currently is.

The Mozilla foundation also granted some money to ente a company that offers Google photos replacement with end to end encryption.

Anyone used Ente? How is it?
- Very happy Ente user here! It's a great alternative to Google Photos and Immich (since I think photos are too important to self-host).
  
  They have an easy guide for migrating from Google Photos (basically they can import a Takeout export directly).
  
  https://ente.io/faq/migration/from-google-photos/
  
  I've got it installed on my phone with automatic backups enabled. It had no issues with duplicates from both Takeout and the existing photos on my phone. (I even did the upload twice due to running out of space the first time, and there were no dupes). The app has a pretty similar design to Google Photos, so it feels familiar. It also supports Google's version of "live photos".
  
  You can create links to share albums or individual photos, and you can also add people to your plan.
  
  I enabled the local machine learning analysis and, while it's not perfect, it does make for a pretty nice searching experience.
- i downloaded it after the news the other day. Presently uploading >200gb of pictures.
  
  Android App has a few quirks, not very snappy, but it looks pretty polished.
  
  The on device ML seems to be pretty accurate once you start tagging people.
  
  We'll see how it handles me throwing the 200gb at it because it was already stuttering a bit when scrolling through ~15gb of pics.
  
  I havent had the chance to spin up an immich instance yet to compare the two.
  
  All in all, we might need to wait for a longer term user to chime in, but as of now to me it seems good enough.
- Pretty good, very responsive to feedback on Matrix/discord. Great features, love it
We already have Immich though
- Okay and? Immich is good but alternatives are always good.
- More options is good.
- Which isn't a gold standard, Ente is much more stable and featurefull. Also, options are always good.

Isn't this the same as "Total Cookie Protection" that was released a while ago?

Yes and no, total cookie protection prevents cookies from loading from other sites, CHIPS is a new standard that makes it so that that is impossible* to begin with. (simpifying here but thats the idea)

*unless the browser allows it

Perhaps if they made decisions like this more often in recent times there would be more people there when they do good stuff.

Edit: Cool to see someone botting this thread as well. I have now watched on three separate occasions someone vote up on mine and others comments only for a vote down to be applied within 10 seconds - 5 minutes in lockstep each time. This was in the first 15 minutes of the comment being posted.

2nd Edit. I've watched it happen 8 times now actually. I wonder what the odds are that over the course of ~2 hours there is exactly 8 people who agree and exactly 8 who don't who keep showing up within moments of one another.

You mean like isolating cookies?

Like integration state partitioning for the entire browser context, user-controllable?

Like adding vertical tabs?

Like background wallpaper options for new tab independent of themes?

Like site translations?

Like working on tab groups?

Like working on tablet UI options?

Like .. okay I'll stop.

Like with red traffic lights vs green traffic lights, always keep in mind that your brain does not want to actively notice/recall things going well. It's when things are annoying/interrupting that you remember.
- No, not like that! JUST LET ME BE HATEFUL FFS
- Vertical tabs? I've been using an extension for that so I didn't even notice. Is that already on the main release or still on the nightlies?
  
  Sorry for asking here but a DDG search just turns out a bunch of pages telling you how to get them with extensions, which I already do.
- All I intend to say is that if I left when Mozilla thought it was a good idea to have an advertising company become involved in the development of their products and started tracking users without their consent (even if less invasively than cookies) with PPA, then surely I am not the only one who left.
  
  This is a company that has previously sideloaded an extension into the browser without user permissions because of a marketing deal they made with a television show. As a result, I'm afraid im less concerned with the not-yet implemented features they may be working on or the features they have in place when there are a litany of other browsers available which don't fuck around with user permissions and privacy for advertising deals.
  
  If I wanted a browser for tab grouping and UI stuff, I'd move to vivaldi, but at the moment firefox just doesn't seem to have the best UI or the best security and both of those are directly related to Mozilla's choices.
  
  You are certainly entitled to your opinion and it is valid, but I think that my criticisms are also valid and are not baseless.
No clue. I doubt it's a conspiracy, though. Just seems like a controversial take.
- Certainly possible but I'm sure the odds are astronomically low. After I saw this happen 3 times I started refreshing every minute and each time there was a change, both counts had increased, and this happened 8 times in a row. I could see a distribution happening of something like a vote up at minute 2, vote down at minute 3 vote up at minute 12, vote down at minute 20, etc, but this was - vote up and vote down at minute 5, same thing at minute 11, same thing at minute 16, etc, 8 times concurrently (the minutes listed here are an example, I wasn't tracking exact time between events).

Meanwhile me with my Freezed Firefox version...

"So what crazy stuff is going to be discussed in arkenfoxe's Github repo this time?"

This useless feature for what ? They implemented this because Google forcing them to do so I guess.

crazy how as soon as mozilla does good stuff nobody is there

One good thing will not outweigh ten bad ones.

Also, is this post on Mastodon? How's Mozilla's instance doing? I hope well. /s

One good thing doesn't even outweigh one bad one. What do you call someone who tells 99 truths and one lie?

A liar.

It's the same here; there's an asymmetry between doing what's right and betraying someone's trust. When Mozilla can demonstrate consistent integrity, maybe I'll stop using a fork.
- How did they betray you or their mission?