Texas secessionists have not considered the ramifications of becoming a hostile force sitting on top of oil that the US regards as its own.
If there's two things you don't get between, it's a mama and her cub, and the US and oil.
The amount of Texans who support seceding are an extreme minority.
Most of us think they're just as dumb as you do.
This would be so much fun to watch. They wouldn't be able to take the US army with them, US army bases would be dismantled, nukes would be removed, Mexico would be like "fuck no" and have no trade with them, and the US, being their former Union, would also give them the finger. Thousands, plug not millions of people would cross borders there to either leave or join the shit hole (because fuck the liberal US government!) causing a huge outflux of knowledge and competence and a huge influx of rednecks.
Let me be clear though: this will never happen, because the politicians calling for this know damn well that they'd be fucked. They're just riling their base with dumb but popular rhetoric.
If I was in texas, and I was forced to make the choice of whether to uproot everything and leave because of politics, or stay in a shithole...
well, damn, I'd fight back pretty hard against any government that would put me in the position where I would have to make that choice. Abbot and his ilk are going to be screwed from every direction if they keep pushing this poison.
Just seeing Alberta Canadian born Ted Cruz gone from the USA is more than enough for most of us
His real name is Rafael Cruz and I think it's time we start using it.
He's more American than Canadian. You broke it you bought it.
Fun fact, there are 3 major power grids in the lower 48 united states': the Eastern Interconnection, Western Interconnection, and Texas.
Another fun fact: The failure of one of those grids resulted in over 200 people freezing to death. Guess which one!
Yeah that's the irony, Texas wouldn't even need to secede to fuck up its power grid.
What if Texas just does a Texit (akin to Brexit)? Or is that not possible?
I don't know if it's legally possible, but even if it was, it would never actually work. Texas is propped up with federal funding, our electric grid is slowly failing, and most people who wanted to stay a citizen of the United States would leave if they were able, which would completely fuck the job market, and leave mostly people who want to be Texans rather than Americans, and those people can't run shit (hence the economicand infrastructure problems we already have). Or maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, idk. That's my opinion as somebody who lives in Texas against their will.
Nope, it's not possible. The only way it wouldn't be treason is if all states agree, or if they start a revolution and are successful; every other attempt would simply be treason. Hence, one nation indivisible. I'm sure they know that; they just want to push as far as they can to make the political situation even more absurd in America. They want to widen the gap between the people. I don't know who exactly profits from this situation, but it's not the American people.
Here's a video that explains it quite well: [Legal Egal] (https://youtu.be/1dhvry6E0jA?si=H62qIoiHzaLdJHQF)
Not sure if US law has a provision for this. Brexit was relatively orderly because the EU made sure there's a process for it.
Absolutely positive the US does NOT have a provision for this. We fought a little war about it once.
The south tried to secede and we fought a war about it, so no, pretty sure it's not possible.
I think the only two ways this can happen are is the federal government agrees to the succession or succession by force (aka civil war).
This is correct. Unless of course the Supreme Court overturns the decisions by previous Supreme Courts.
Has anyone checked on Harlan Crow's opinion on this?
I think if Texas pulled the trigger on secession, there’d be a few states that joined up with them, I don’t know that it’d be the entire US against just one state. If they seriously went for it, it’d probably be because they thought they had enough strength in numbers.
Unfortunately for them though, Republican-leaning states tend to have lower populations and wouldn’t really be able to provide much help. Florida I guess has a big population too, but not sure how helpful they’d be either with their demographics.
On the plus side though, we could potentially clear out alot of these MAGA idiots in office, assuming we actually started punishing people for insurrection.
The larger the state, the more internal resistance there will be. Not everyone in Texas or Florida will want to secede, and everybody can buy a gun. It's one thing to gather some pride boys and meal team six larpers in the town square and march around for a bit, but it's an entirely other thing to defend territory when you're outnumbered, outgunned, and half the population is against you.
Oklahoma and Arkansas might be up for it, but there's no way secessionists hold Miami or Austin.
2 issues there: the food and fuel for those cities move through the traitor parts of the state. Supply lines will be a major issue in the early weeks of any major event. In addition to that, those blue cities aren't homogeneous just like their states aren't, so there will be further subdivision past the metro line.
Not just that, but the economic powerhouses are almost exclusively cities run by Democrats. Even deep red states have Democrats as mayors of their big cities. Texas would have a hard time funding a war if they were trying to do it on the backs of porcupines.
And you have a hitbox that is quite a bit larger than normal, and various health style related illnesses dependent on the free flow of medicine
Nah, as someone who lives in Oklahoma, about half the younger generation has a functioning nervous system that would prevent that from happening. If we seriously tried to go any more red, there would be violence in the streets.
It’s just political posturing.
- They don’t have a military. The National Guard units would come under the command of the President of the US, and any units in rebellion would know they’re facing courts martial for crimes that would be career limiting in that the penalties could include anything from life in prison to execution. It’s literally treason by the legal definition.
- Even if any significant number of troops were to choose to violate the law, modern war isn’t about riflemen. There’s a massive infrastructure required to keep tanks and planes running, not to mention things like carrier battle groups. Northrop and Raytheon aren’t going to be forfeiting USG contracts to sell missile systems to Ohio.
- Only the president has the nuclear codes, so nuclear blackmail can’t work either.
There isn’t going to be another civil war. Too much has changed between then and now in terms of military and economic organization. This is just Texas whacking off yet again, as they did under Obama and Bill Clinton.
The very real risks we’re facing are the election of Donald Trump - this is the biggest threat - and far right domestic terrorism. The former is an existential threat to the United States and should be treated as such. The latter is a law enforcement issue and should be treated as such. I suspect the Proud Boys are infiltrated all to hell as are the other major organizations, but there’s the potential for a significant amount of harm being done on a larger than 9/11 scale, although it’d be drawn out.
modern war isn’t about riflemen. There’s a massive infrastructure required to keep tanks and planes running, not to mention things like carrier battle groups.
The problem is that they don't need to 'win' to get what they want; they just need to be enough of a nuisance to get concessions from the government. And both Ukraine and Gaza are showing us how effectively a bunch of people with rifles, drones and RPGs can frustrate an army. Sure, a lot of them will die, but I worry that it might be a sacrifice their leaders are willing to make if that means they get to hurt a lot of innocent people.
All their national guards will be federalized and fall in line the second they are told their lifelong benefits will be revoked if they disobey an order to remain in place.
Most of them are under 25s that joined for free healthcare and education they couldnt afford on their own. A fraction of a percentage are willing to fight and die in the name of a state, let alone one they dont live in 😂
Hi, I was an under 25 that needed Healthcare, and wanted a formal education.
I personally am of the belief that one has a duty to disobey any illegal order, and since this fits the bill,a sizeable number would disobey on that premise alone.
But I also know that's not likely what does it, but benefits and pay.
I personally know several people who honestly think that "THREE PERCENT!" of the population could honestly stand against their parent country in modern day. And of course, they hold that belief purely from their "only 3% fought the British" and think that a colonial territory in 1776 would somehow translate to home country rebellion in 2024.
Could they do damage and be a nuisance, and create generational issues? Absolutely. Succeed and establish themselves as a respected sovereign nation, or conquer the federal government? Anyone who honestly thinks that's feasible without the federal government saying "eh, whatever I don't really care" is fooling themselves.
My time in the navy was more than enough to convince me that no state could ever pull that off, just on Naval power alone. Largest navy, 2nd largest air force, marines technically part of it (don't ever tell them that unless you have their favorite flavor of crayon as an apology) and since the federal government knows literally every single thing about their off/Def capabilities are, it would be over before my hot chocolate gets cold.
Republican states are all running in the red and I don't mean the political red. They're constantly getting financially bailed out by everyone else. It's gross.
Please no. Some of us live here and like the US as it is. I would appreciate a change of state government, though.
There's not an ice cube's chance in hell that Texas successfully secedes. Do you remember what happened the last time some States tried to secede? The Union is about eleventy billion times more powerful than it was in 1865.
Believe me, I’m aware. Not gonna stop the idiots from trying.
You know all those migrants entering your state, fleeing the shit happening back home? Follow their example, pack up and move somewhere else. Texas being shit is nothing new and that won't change.
We can't win it from the idiots if we all pack up and leave. I'm in this battleground state and I'm standing my ground. When Trump gets the nomination I'm going to do my best to remind the Republicans that I know that Trump has said he wants to become a dictator and uses the same blood purity bullshit racist rhetoric in speeches just like Hitler. I'm going to make them face the uncomfortable truth that a vote for Trump today is akin to a vote for Hitler in 1930s Germany.
I mean the parallels are uncanny at this point. The only thing missing is Trump actually getting jail time for attempting to overthrow democracy. At least Germany had the balls to put Hitler away before his rise to power.
The craziest part of the Republican party now is that they actually like Russia. What happened to them? Ruskie commies were the supposed mortal enemy of them until the fall of the USSR. now they want to help them? We gave the afghans a ridiculous amount of weapons and training to fight Russia and they used that later in terror attacks against us, but now we have the perfect opportunity to put the military industrial complex to use without putting Americans in the line of fire with a people that are highly unlikely to do the same as al queda. Oh but suddenly now its just too expensive to fund? Really this point needs to be driven home to all the military humping douches that would gladly suck the dick of anyone that has served in the military. Really what happened? We're really living in a time where the party that supports the military industrial complex more is the Democrats?
Honestly we need a new government. We have the technology to implement direct democracy. Our constitution and government are horribly outdated and the checks in the system are being pushed to the limit in all branches of federal government. Our state is failing and if we continue the ultra rich .01% billionaire class will soon rule our nation openly with impunity. We desperately need a new progressive movement.
Ok sorry if this is a stupid question, but why not let them?
It seems like the biggest concern is a humanitarian one - that sane people who remain in Texas will be worse off - but it significantly improves that same problem for everyone else in the union. And a war would possibly be even worse for sane Texans. It would be cheaper to subsidize relocation costs.
I just don't get why we'd fight to keep them, or pretty much any state these days. They don't have slavery, and there's nothing huge that we were right about to change.
There would be significant economic disruption for all parties. People seem to think that's no big deal, but it is.
Are you willing to lose your job because someone gets a hard-on when they see a picture of the Alamo? People that are brave on the internet will say that they're fine with that, but in real life they don't actually want that.
Already lost my job by being pushed out by racist hicks. At Intel no less.
My job security would improve tremendously if we fought a war to keep them, so I'm trying to keep that from biasing me.
The precedent it might set.
Also they breezed over the humanitarian reason, but well over 50% of Texas would never dream of seceding and would be worse off for it, it's not like worrying about there being a few good eggs in the bunch.
Because you lose some major shipping ports and oil refineries, and you'd have to share a border with a hostile neighbor.
Texas contributes more to the US economy than you'd think.
Maintaining the union is important. Without solidifying that every state is in it together, the federal government loses it's power, then states start to push the limits, not paying taxes here, disobeying federal law there.
If we wanted to let states secede, we would have formed a Confederacy, or not a country at all. As it stands now, the US government will always fight for a United States, as to not do so puts everything in jeopardy. Maybe you don't think that's the best action overall, but until the US government is reformed under a heavily modified constitution that probably won't happen.
Worth noting the US government needs indevidual US citize s to fight for that United States.
The % of citizens who feel the constitution is likely due for some change. While not near the 66% in 50 states needed to change it, is likely enough to seriously effect the resources forcing other to follow it.
Even congress and the senate are far from 100% in agreement. Or ever likely to be on such things. The further from the head of the snake you go. The more likely the US military is to question orders to attack domestic targets.
A d lets face it. Any attempt by the military to force orders in a situation like that, where the enemy is considered to be a part of your own team by a significant % of the people pulling tigers and dropping the actual bombs. Will harm rather then rebuild that unity.
They partner with an enemy of the US who now gets a presence in mainland North America at the US's doorstep making infiltration to the US, etc. even easier.
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The only other good reason to fight to keep them, is to prevent their government from going fully insane and doing horrible things. But that's the sort of thing that would need intervention if and when it happens.
It seems that you're forgetting about Roe v. Wade.
I'm not. That's one of the humanitarian issues the might worsen for the rest of the union if they stay.
Hey now - Texas has the state guard too - do you think the entire weight of the Pentagon, it's carrier strike groups, and multiple branches of well-funded modern military is any match for ~1,600 good ol' boys?
Also worth noting of that -1600. A fair % have family friends and even lovers not living in texas. In 2024 with easy transport etc and cheap communication. It really is impossible for any state to relly on its own current resources. Things would shuffle hugely in the lead up and post the first attacks. Likely the 1600 would grow from good old boys joining. But experience and command structure would be a mess for a while.
Of course US forces would see the same but less so. Some would have friends and relatives in texas. Many would bulk at the domestic part of foreign and domestic.
Professionals.s following orders can only go so far as far as preventing personal politics.
Even in the civil war many refused allegence to the side they were expected to fight for. With Internet and more communication of the 2000s. Allegiances will be less not more founded.
if texas did secede the federal US government would be blue for decades LMFAO. granted, texas is getting bluer by the day but still.
Texarse.
In total war Warhammer, when playing as Karl Franz, what was the phrase that the advisor said as soon as the game began, when you had to deal with the secessionists at the south? Open dissent will not be tolerated or something? I thought of that when reading this post for some reason xD lol lmao
Are there any Warhammer novels that exist and do you recommend any?
Hell if I know, actually :( I just play the total war games. I think there are some books and other games from the fantasy franchise, if I recall my time taking a look at the lore using YouTube videos.
Dan Abnett’s Eisenhorn omnibus is often recommended. It’s all I’ve read thus far, good books.
They've never been the brightest state. They're just a more-westerly Florida.
The missiles at night
Are big and bright
Launched at the heart of Texas
Anyway good luck being a large economy with no trade partners and ports blockaded.
Fucks sake I need to move.
Joe Rogan packs his stuff again...
Monroe doctrine intensifies
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It's the Union version of Dixie
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Most of the US military is mostly made up of conservatives, and red states are the only ones with some semblance of a manufacturing base as blue states nowadays are mostly IP farms. I dont think a hypothetical civil war will turn out as well as blue staters think.
I’m highly doubtful that a second Civil War would be like the first. I’m more of the opinion that we’d see something along the lines of the Troubles in Ireland.
Maintaining a fighting force requires a ton of money and the loss of international markets in the Civil War hurt the Confederacy greatly. Inflation in the Confederacy shot through the roof. Paired with the Union’s successful blockade, the Union securing most rivers, and the Union pretty much destroying every bit of infrastructure in the Confederate States, the Confederacy had massive economic woes that plagued morale.
I’m really doubtful that any State wanting to secede wants to lose access to the US dollar as it would wreck their economy. I just don’t see it being the way the Civil War was fought as it would almost guarantee a repeat.
Wars are fought along a lot more lines than just the ones where bullets matter.
Manufacturing is usually urban, and last I checked that's where most blue is. Farming and agriculture is red, sure.
Military is split, infantry probably skews red but the AF seems mixed and the Navy is pretty liberal in my experience.
Ok putting aside the obvious that 99% of US Military service members honor their oath to the Constitution and respect the chain of command serving the sitting President regardless of politics. Not least of which the DOD has been purging insurrectionist sympathisers the past few years.
So the brass tax of the US Military, our most valuable assets by a LOT are the US Navy. 2nd would be the USAF. Primary of which is arguably our Submarine force, followed by our sea warfare, then our air forces, and the rest of our nuclear arsenal.
Our largest sub base is in CT (blue).
The entirety of our carrier fleets are based in blue states - California, Hawaii, Virginia (blueish).
A significant portion of our nuclear stockpile is in Colorado (blue).
Anyway it all doesn't matter because any insignificant numbers who would defect would be nowhere near the command of these critical assets. The only real annoyance of Texas seceding would be having to relocate NASA HQ lmao.
