Luigi Mangione makes first public statement since arrest
Luigi Mangione makes first public statement since arrest
Mangione’s legal team has also launched a website that acts as a hub for information relating to their client’s defense.
Summary
Luigi Mangione, charged with the December 2024 murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, released his first public statement through a new website launched by his defense team.
He expressed gratitude for widespread support and acknowledged the letters he has received. The website provides case updates and a fundraiser, which has raised over $400,000.
Mangione has gained a following among those frustrated with the U.S. healthcare system. A poll found 41% of voters under 30 viewed the assassination as acceptable.
His next court date is Feb. 21.
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Still dont get it why he is still charged over somthg he obviously didnt do. Is justice sociale bad in the US, why people dont react. Like O.J. Simpson case but in reverse, everybody knows Luigi is not guilty...
We don't have all the evidence.
If he checked into the hostel with the same ID that was used to get the bus out of the city and they weren't his identity, then there is the manifesto that may or may not have been planted in the gun that may or may not have been planted. Then there's the manifesto in substack from before the event, well before the event.
Together that's probably enough for a trial.
I dont get why he made himself look like the suspect, but reality is that its not him. The record of the assassination clearly shows a smaller dude with differents eyebrows, eyelash and skin color. Just like OJ Simpson, there was no doubt it was him, yet he was found innocent over petty details...
He has not once said he didn’t do it has he? I think this whole conspiracy theory like most is silly.
Yeah he did it, that’s why he’s a hero.
Bruh you never considered he wanted to make himself look like the suspect, the pics of the suspect were all over the news before he got arrested. He had plenty of time to take similar (not exactly the same) outfits, a gun and write a manifesto...
We are talking about facts, what are his motivation is not important.
He is not a hero, he is either a deranged man wanting to get fame or a stupid chap that wanted to make fun of the police. And do you want to know how i know that? Cause there is a factual proof in the actual recording of the suspect comitting the crime... And its obviously not him... And btw he cant speak to the press, you dont know if he will plead guilty or not...
Can’t rationalize with a conspiracy theorist
Bruh, just look at the pics...
Grainy surveillance means jack shit, in any case I will it rationalize with a conspiracy theorist, that’s like debating religion with my bible thumping dad
Grainy ? WTF are you talking about? Its the proof you didnt look at them...
This is some flat-earther level shit right here.
Then prove your point, shoudnt be too difficult to explain how he grew a mono eyebrow and got taller overnight, if this is flat earther level...
Yeah - I don't discuss things with conspiracy theorists. You can make up bullshit MUCH faster than I can even start to dig up actual evidence and support for my arguments. And after I've spent hours generating a fact-supported response you'll just say "OH THE POLICE LIE SO I'M GOING TO IGNORE YOU" or something. I've been there, got the t-shirt, and will not return.
Bruh... The police didnt said anything... Thats the point of a trial, its not public. And tbh the suspect pics are true, they never lied. Its the prosecutor who is dumb as fuck for charging Luigi while not considering the main element : recordings of the crime.
Chill down buddy, of you dont want to discuss, dont comment...
And do you want to know how i know that? Cause there is a factual proof in the actual recording of the suspect comitting the crime... And its obviously not him...
Look everyone! A random on the internet has totally solved the case!
Jokes aside- maybe you should step in and let Bragg know he has nothing and demand a dismissal with prejudice.
Lol ironically, people do are stupid enough not to see how obvious it is... Luigi was indeed wrong when he siad that was an insult to americans intelligence...
This:
Lol ironically, people do are stupid enough not to see how obvious it is... Luigi was indeed wrong when he siad that was an insult to americans intelligence...
… is an insult to American intelligence.
Facts are not insults, they are facts. I mean, they voted for Trump...
I agree, he saw the picture, got the same clothes and the manifest, and jumped into his time machine to go back in time to get himself on security cams before the murder happened.
There are ni pics of Luigi like this before the murder. All the pics you can see if him are from the McDonald's. The others are from the suspect and shows clearly someone else.
These images could be false leads just as much as Luigi could be a false arrest. People assume these pictures are "the guy" just because they were presented first.
Do you realise that the assassination has been recorded? Guy on the left is the suspect.
OK, to play devil's advocate, if it wasn't Luigi in the picture, who was it? For what purpose was Luigi in town? I understand that in the legal system, the defense doesn't need to PROVE who else did it and that they just need to create reasonable doubt... but what's your take?
if it wasn't Luigi in the picture, who was it?
What are you looking for here? A name? How would we know?
Well, if it wasn't Luigi, then who was it? Why would someone go through the trouble of finding someone that looks just like him? Who would that be... why was Luigi picked for a scapegoat? If the contention of OP is "Luigi isn't the guy"... then who is? From my standpoint, Luigi had the means, the motive and the motivation due to his personal history and abilities.
I realize that in court his defense won't have to say "we have proof it was this other guy" but I'm not in court right now. If OP doesn't think Luigi did it, then who else would have?
Any of a million other people. For Luigi's case, it doesn't matter who did it. Luigi didn't, end of discussion.
Wow, I hope you're not his defense attorney.
He isn't?
Any of the other millions upon millions of people and their families that UHC has intentionally harmed/killed?
Make up your own mind based on the facts and their justifications, but the reason the rules are like that in court is because punishing people for crimes they didn't commit is injustice, even if you don't ever find the actual culprit.
I think maybe they played too much Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, wherein the defendant is guilty until proven innocent AND you identify the actually guilty party. Yes, really. You still lose in that game even in the event that you can definitively prove your client's innocence if you don't also turn in the actual culprit. That's how this guy thinks the justice system should work.
The sad thing is that a victims family will grasp at anything to have who they think the killer is be put behind bars.
But it's better to let an innocent person walk than get the wrong person, even if it leaves the family devastated.
it's better to let an innocent person walk than get the wrong person
Hot take.
So he just happened to have a gun on him in Pennsylvania that coincidentally matched the ballistic evidence in Manhattan?
You talk like the police never planted evidence before.
So the Altoona Pennsylvania police who made the arrest just happened to plant the evidence for the NYPD? Lol
What I want to know is - where is Luigi's workshop?
That kind of 3D printed gun isn't just something you can print off at the library and start blasting. Even for a skilled 3D printing expert with a workshop full of plastic and metal working tools, you're looking at months of prototyping, printing, fitting, testing out prototypes at a gun range, etc. It is possible for skilled crafters to build an untraceable gun from a 3D printed frame and pieces ordered off the net. But it's nothing like just hitting "print" and having a gun.
This is what really gets me. Luigi was apparently living as a drifter for the last year or so. His family had been trying to get in touch with him. A hostel is not the place where you're going to be able to make a 3D printed gun. You need a workshop, and one that you can operate in with a high degree of privacy for an extended period of time.
So, again, where is Luigi's workshop? 3D printed guns don't just materialized from nowhere. If Luigi made the gun, he must have a workshop. Unless the police can show where that workshop is, I'm going to assume the gun was planted on him.
Where is Luigi's workshop?
Youtube channels get banned left and right for printing functional guns on their 10 year old printers. They usually don't design them themselves but download them. The designs are made in a way that you can built them at home.
Uh, maybe he bought it?
Ok. Then you just transfer the chain back one level. Who did he buy it from? Think about the logistics of buying one of those. Imagine you wanted to buy a ghost gun. How would you actually go about doing that? Yes, organized crime rings and gangs may make these things, but they don't just sell them to any random kid who walks up wanting to buy one. They'll obtain them for their own trusted members. But if a random white kid shows up looking to buy a gun, the thought of most people would be that this guy is planning a school shooting. And no gang wants that type of heat.
That doesn't matter, though. He isn't being charged with manufacturing an illegal firearm so the prosecution does not have the burden of proving that he did so. Likewise, if he is being charged with gun trafficking, they still don't need to prove where he got the illegal gun from, just that he had it.
And he's being charged with terrorism, for fuck's sake. Do you really think the standard for evidence at this trial will be a fair one? The prosecution is likely to get away with hearsay while the defense will be expected to provide DNA evidence from the actual killer as well as his parents and grandparents to get the case dismissed.
It's really not this deep. A white privileged kid murdered someone in a pathetic martyr operation and he's going to prison for decades.
Your reply is nothing more than, "na uh, he did it!"
My replies are all factual while yours rely on the Boogeyman.
Yes? Why would that be surprising
Because it wasn't their case and they have no connection to it.
What cop wouldn't want to jump on the opportunity to be the one to catch the guy who did a high profile murder?
I guess the one who forgets about the other evidence in New York.
You cant be rational in an irrational discussion. It never goes well- and usually ends in pitchfork-related injuries.
Be safe. These people aren’t using nuance or logic at all.
It's sad how fucked up they are.
All I know is he was at my place that night, so couldn't have been him.
This is a better take than conspiracy shit tbh. Personally, I was ice skating with the guy.
Let me see the footage of the arrest. Dept desperate to "get their perpetrator" often do desperate things, can't be having the ruling class be murdered and nobody being punished for it now can we?
The Altoona PA police department made the arrest.
Are you insinuating that police forces don't work together or share information? Show me the video I want before he arrived, body cams, all of it. Every house has a ring camera it should be pretty solid unless mysterious it didn't work just like the night Epstein was murdered.
Any person arrested where the police conveniently leave their body cams off should automatically be found not guilty.
Why does it shut off at all?
So that the cops can beat black people and plant evidence, ovbiously.
Security camera footage that shows where the assassin dumped the gun and backpack, suppress the footage, have chatGPT whip up a manifesto, pin it on some guy with a similar nose.
Like, seriously, when's the last time you saw a cop outside of a cop T.V. show? Are we still pretending they have the publics best interests at heart?
Just because that's what the police said doesn't make it true. Police are known liars and have been caught countless times arresting the wrong person, planting evidence, and/or lying to get an arrest and make themselves not look as inept as they are.
The police need to punish someone. If a crime has been committed, that's a bonus. If they are punishing the preparator of the crime, that's a double-bonus. If they can murder you, they get a paid vacation while the union takes care of the paperwork.
Being the devil's advocate here, but he could have discarded the grey bag and grabbed a black bag with more normal stuff. This image doesn't quite support the statement. There must be other, more powerful evidence of his innocence.
Nah.
That's not how this shit works homie.
Luigi doesn't have to prove his innocence, the prosecutor has to prove he's guilty beyond reasonable doubt...
Like, you're literally completey opposite of reality with your statement. So in a way you couldn't be more wrong
Kinda, there's a lot more play here than want you two are talking about.
Prosecution has:
- an online substack manifesto from well before the event and probably internet archive to prove the date.
- A copy of or electronic records of a fake name and ID used to book a hostel in the city.
- Maybe video of him entering that hostel
- A copy of an or electronic records of a fake name and ID used to book travel out of the city
- Him on video getting off the bus from New York City.
- A likely image of him unmasked in the area and being at the scene in like (If not exact) clothing
- They have a manifesto "found" with him self incriminating and apologizing
Now, He's innocent until proven guilty, But that is not to say that he doesn't need to disprove all this mountain of evidence against him if he is going to get off based on evidential findings. You don't have to prove your innocence, But he's going to have to Make a shadow of down and face of overwhelming evidence.
But honestly between you me and a couple hundred thousand of our best friends here, I suspect there's not a chance in hell of him getting off in that way. It's going to be jury nullification or something spectacular, or he's getting life.
Shadow of a Down is my trip hop SOAD cover band.
Most of that just shows he was in NYC at the time. The dude is a bi kid that was estranged from his family. His family was trying to get in touch with him for nearly a year, and apparently he's been living as a drifter in that time. His family is also very wealthy and has the resources to track him down. Is it not possible that he was just trying to hide from his family? Maybe he's a queer kid and his family rejected that, and he's broken contact with them. Traveling via a fake ID is a minor crime, but it doesn't prove that he's a murderer.
Equally plausible is that the police started putting on the media photos of every person that vaguely resembles the shooter that they could. Luigi saw his own picture on the news, and rightfully freaked the fuck out and decided to flee the city. And the online manifesto? Again, millions of people have written things that could similarly damn them.
Remember, the killer deliberately dressed in an outfit that hundreds of men are wearing in NYC at any given time. Unless you have a continuous video of Luigi going from the hostel, to the crime scene, shooting the guy, then leaving...you don't actually have much. Yes, I think the police can prove quite easily that Luigi was in the city, and that he was there on a fake ID. But they have precious little actually linking him directly to the crime.
You seem to be under the impression that this trial is going to be fair in any way. It's a jury trial where the defendant is forbidden from talking to the press while the news media does its best to slander him to the public whenever the case is mentioned. Yes, in an ideal world you'd be right, but the people that need convincing of his guilt are going into the trial with their opinions half-formed against him and I guarantee you that the prosecution will veto any juror that seems like they understand proper standards for evidence.
The burden of proof is on the prosecution in America.
incorrect it is on the defense
The burden of proof is on the prosecutor for criminal cases, and the defendant is presumed innocent. If the claimant fails to discharge the burden of proof to prove their case, the claim will be dismissed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)
even wikipedia has it wrong
in the United States it is on the defense to pay for and to provide evidence because the prosecutor makes up anything they want along with whatever the jackboots in the case states happens with the judge going along with it in complicity and the defendant is presumed guilty throughout the entire process and even if the defendant proves their innocence the claim may not be dismissed
Lol ..
I've never seen someone post a source showing they're wrong...
Then saying "even that source is wrong, and I'm still right".
Like, did you search for anything that agrees with you and then just give up but thought people would just up ote a source?
Haven't argued with many MAGAts have you? I had an anti-vaxxer do that numerous times because he couldn't understand math. That precluded him from understanding that his source didn't support his argument, but he was still posting sources saying he was wrong.
Haven’t argued with many MAGAts have you?
Why would I?
They want an argument, they want to be "challenged" and to "fight the good fight".
If rational people argue with them, it raises their group cohesion and they all circlejerk about it later.
If rational people do the rational thing and do t engage with them they still need those arguments. So instead of circle jerking with each other, they have to argue with each other. Which fractures their group.
Please be a rational person and stop being the punching bag of the right.
You'll never change their minds with facts and logic. All you're doing is reinforcing their beliefs
You'll never change their minds with facts and logic. All you're doing is reinforcing their beliefs
For the MAGAt I referenced above, I'm well aware of that. When I argue with them, it's not to convince them. It's to make sure there are facts rebutting their crazy right alongside that crazy. The craziest thing is that there are true undecideds. Those are the people that might be swayed by the crazy bullshit. My hope is that my information is a solid counter to that crazy.
My hope is that my information is a solid counter to that crazy.
Well, objectively it's wrong, especially if you're talking about doing it on Twitter or Facebook.
Why would I?
Just felt like repeating this. It sums up my opinion so nicely. Most of the time, I won’t even give MAGAts the satisfaction of a downvote.
Yeah I mean maybe he missed the sarcasm tag? Either way, we all know the system isn’t fair…except for maybe that first poster about probing innocence.
Verdant is satire. It's confusing because it feels like a continuation from the guy who was simply wrong, but it's a different person.
The claimant would be the prosecution.
They have made a claim that he killed someone.
Oh, it’s you, again. I didn’t look at the username when I saw this mindless post. As ever.
There must be other, more powerful evidence of his innocence.
That's not how the justice system is supposed to work.
Bruh... Its not about the backpack, its not the same face, at all... Eyebrows and color skin are completly different. And on the full body pic of the suspect we Can see the suspect IS way smaller than Luigi...
Lighting changes skin tone a lot, and jackets cover up the build of the body. I'm not saying for sure it is him, but I also am not sure this disproves it being him.
So do image processors and different camera sensors.
Is there reasonable doubt it could be him?
Based on the evidence we've seen, yes, there is a reasonable doubt.
But we are the public, not the judge and jury. We are not being presented with the full testimony and evidence.
That depends on the whole body of evidence, which we haven't seen yet
WTF?!? Its like saying Jacky Chan looks like Bruce Lee... We may not see much, but the upper face is clearly different, except if you are blind, there should be any doubt. The suspect is clearly Irish like (North Europe) while Luigi is clearly italian like (South Europe)...
Ironically it does seems that american are dumb enough to believe this shit... US is fucked up...
Look at the jackets. The suspect has a jacket that has a hood made of the same material and appears in this image to be a pullover. Luigi has a hood that is a different material than jacket and appears to be a zip up.
If he’s going to change his backpack, why not change his coat and scarf as well?
The coat is clearly a different color, has a different sewn pattern on the hood, and different pockets.