Liz Cheney weighs third-party US presidential run, says Trump threatens democracy
Liz Cheney weighs third-party US presidential run, says Trump threatens democracy
U.S. Representative Liz Cheney, an outspoken critic of ex-President Donald Trump, said she is weighing a third-party bid for the White House in 2024.
U.S. Representative Liz Cheney, an outspoken critic of ex-President Donald Trump, said she is weighing a third-party bid for the White House in 2024.
Do it Liz! It'd hurt Trump more than Biden, which is probably her thought process anyways. Idk, what's the downside?
I think that is exactly her thought process
I'm not so sure it actually would hurt Trump more than Biden.
I think that any Republican who was disgusted by Trump didn't vote for him in 2020. I don't think there's too many more voters out there who:
A) voted for him in 2016 B) were appalled by his administration C) voted for him again in 2020 D) were appalled by January 6th E) still plan to vote for him a third time, and F) would change their mind and vote for a 3rd party Cheney in 2024, given the option.
That's a lot of conditions that would have to be met for Cheney to pull a Trump vote.
On the other hand, I think there's probably a lot more voters out there who:
A) Don't like trump and refuse to vote for him in 2024 B) Don't like Biden either, for any number of reasons C) would jump at the chance to cast a vote for a right wing conservative that is not only "not Trump" but in fact "anti-Trump", which mirrors their attitudes toward the main party candidates pretty damn closely.
I feel that Trump's base is smaller but more loyal and dedicated, compared to Biden's base, which has a smaller core but much larger overall...but the non-core part of his base is less cohesive.
Basically, he's running, as in 2020, as "the option that is not trump that the fewest people hate". And honestly, I can't argue with that logic.
That was the logic in the run up to the 2020 election, and other than age, not much has changed, so the strategy isn't likely to meaningfully change either. Add to that situation the facts that 4 years of Biden have been, broadly, "not great, not terrible", that he hasn't been the feeble minded fool that the MAGA base tried to paint him as, and the fact that not too many people really liked him 4 years ago and he still won...and here we are 4 years later with not too many people really liking him (but tons of people liking him better than Trump) and the calculus is pointing toward a repeat of last term.
Honestly at this point, I don't think Biden has been bad enough to turn away anyone who voted for him in 2020, and I don't see anyone voting for Trump in 2016, not voting for him in 2020, and voting for him again in 2024 provided the calculus doesn't change...which it absolutely would if Cheney runs. I think Trump draws less overall votes this go-round (people who have him their vote in 2016 and 2020, but who are turned off enough by the insurrection and legal issues to stay home...not many, but more than the number of new Trump voters), so then it's down to how many votes Biden gets (and of course where he gets them).
That said, I'm far less concerned about advance polling and approval ratings, and I'm far more concerned with voter access in places like Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Virginia, the Carolinas, Wisconsin, and Ohio. If GOP voter suppression works enough to decide close races in these areas, that will have more real impact than anything else. All of that goes out the window, though, if moderates and center-right Republicans see Cheney on the ballot.
Basically, I think Biden holds the advantage in a straight 2020 rematch, but things look a lot less optimistic with Cheney muddying the waters. As much as I hate to say it from a political philosophy standpoint, I think the best path to preventing another Trump win is giving voters less choice next November.
I’m a staunch progressive, but if she somehow becomes the nexus of a new “reasonable conservative” party in the US, I would honestly love it. I disagree with her on nearly everything - especially domestic matters - but she and I both apparently actually give a shit about small-d democracy, and that’s something I can actually work with.
Yes I very much respect the minority of conservatives who are loyal Americans instead of power mad neofascists trying to subvert our precious 245 year old democracy.
If people are ultimately willing to abide by the rules of democracy, they’re not a lost cause - they can be negotiated with.
The line is drawn at dogmatic, slavish devotion to the idea of power at all costs with complete disregard to democratic processes. That isn’t something you can have a debate with.
A conservative's loyalty to America comes from a desire to maintain traditional values, social orders, and hierarchies of people.
They don't deserve respect. The ones who deserve respect are the ones trying to protect the rights of individuals, maximize the social good of all people, and foster an environment of progress for the future -- the liberals, socialists, and the progressives, that is. People who declare themselves conservative stand in opposition to these things by definition. They do not want things to change for the better because they do not want things to change at all unless it is going backwards.
I'll take the allies I can in this existential fight, but I have zero respect for anyone who's proud to be a conservative.
Yes I very much respect the minority of conservatives who are loyal Americans instead of power mad neofascists trying to subvert our precious 245 year old democracy.
If there were more than 5 of these unicorns Trump wouldn't have done so well in 2020, and Republicans in congress wouldn't be the clown show that they are today because of the pressure they'd have been receiving from their constituents.
The current state of Repubican leadership convinces me that the only pressure they are getting from their consituents is to go harder with facism.
I hope she fractures the R vote also. But I'm not going to forget what conservative America has enabled and continues to support to this day.
Or she could just caucus with the Dems. Have exactly the same official platform, a lot of influence, and show the courage of her convictions by truly rejecting fascism.
She doesn't do so because she does not fully reject fascism.
Omg this is really gonna be the year of third-party elections isnt it?
Gonna end up being Biden vs Trump vs Stein vs [libertarian candidate] vs Cheney vs Manchin?
Cage match
Not with first past the post, it's not. Nor the electoral college. Trump or Biden WILL be president in 2024 so long as they are alive, regardless of who people vote for. Literally. It could be an even split between ten candidates and it will be either Trump or Biden.
Go for it. Ask one of the other republicans to be your running mate.
Or even that Kennedy guy.
Well... If the Democrats can't deliver an actual liberal...
Biden is absolutely a liberal.
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion, constitutional government and privacy rights.
Lol he hates half of that
Then why does he label himself progressive and why is he STILL trying to send billions of dollars to continue the slaughter of Palestine?
I'm a life long liberal Democrat.
I dont know where your copy pasta comes from and I'm not clicking on your link.
Liberals are anti-war. Progressives are pro-status quo, which is pro military industrial complex, which is pro Israel slaughtering innocents with weapons and ammunition made by American military contractors.
biden is probably one of the most liberal presidents in recent history.....