Raspberry Pi 5 Benchmarks: Significantly Better Performance, Improved I/O
Raspberry Pi 5 Benchmarks: Significantly Better Performance, Improved I/O
Four years after the Raspberry Pi 4 shipped, today the Raspberry Pi 5 is launching with a much improved SoC leading to significant performance gains.
The Raspberry Pi 5 is designed to deliver a 2~3x performance improvement over the Raspberry Pi 4. The Raspberry Pi 5 features a quad-core Cortex-A76 processor that clocks up to 2.4GHz, compared to the four Cortex-A72 cores found in the Raspberry Pi 4 that only clocked up to 1.8GHz. The graphics are also much-improved with now having an 800MHz VideoCore VII graphics processor over the VideoCore VI graphics with the Raspberry Pi 4. The Raspberry Pi 5 is capable of driving two 4K @ 60Hz displays and features 4K @ 60 HEVC decode hardware capabilities.
Also interesting with the Raspberry Pi 5 is that it features in-house silicon in the form of the RP1 "southbridge" used for much of the board's I/O capabilities. This southbridge should yield faster USB I/O along with other I/O bandwidth upgrades like a doubling of the peak SD card performance. The Raspberry Pi 5 also features a single-lane PCI Express 2.0 interface for improved connectivity.
Wow the foundation really hates the idea of putting reliable dependable storage on their device.
Like would it kill you to have an M2 slot?
Honestly, given the improvement of every other capability in the boards over the years, it's really mad we don't have an m.2 slot as an option. Even if they ended up having to create a slightly more expensive SKU (which they seem to have no issues with given the memory options for the Pi4), I don't think anyone would complain
Edit: apparently there's gonna be an M.2 HAT, so that's something at least, would prefer an option to have it on the board and the GPIO header available for something else
Looking at photos of the Pi5 board, the PCIe pins are a separate ribbon connector. I am guessing the M2 hat will just use the GPIO pins for power and hardware detection, and pass the others through.
I agree it would be have been useful to have an M2 slot (or maybe eMMC connector) integrated indirectly to the board. Other similar SBCs have done so. Perhaps the Pi designers were concerned about board space or thermal considerations. I imagine they want to keep the form factor as similar as possible each version, so they maybe can’t make drastic changes to the board layout.
An M.2 makes it really difficult for a kid to pop the card out, plug it into a computer and flash it.
I think RPI Foundation is still holding onto its education-targeted roots.I think the compute models are more targeted at the industrial/commercial side of requirements.
And any homelab enthusiast would probably be better buying a cheap used/refurbished thin-clientYes, I think the Foundation still favours SD cards because they are cheap and easy to use. Which suits the Pi’s original base of education, hobbyists etc.
Of course that doesn’t stop the market seeing things differently and dropping Pis straight in to production use cases instead of moving up to the Compute modules.
I think the SD card problems are a little exaggerated too. They may not be the fastest but they are reliable enough if reputable brands are used.
Well, personally I could do without and if it reduces costs I'm for it. Raspberry pi was always about being cheap.
Yeah, this should be higher up. Pi’s have usually been around the $35-40 mark, and this one is going to be $100. My B, B+ came as a kit with power supply, SD card, and a cheapo case for $45. Now you can’t even get just the 3B+ for less than $50. My Pi’s are doing boring, simple work like running my 3D printer, running PiHole and a VPN, or being a print server. None need $100 computers to do the job. I guess as long as earlier Pi versions are still available, NBD.
$100 is starting to price out of the cheap educational/hobbyist/experimenter range and send people looking elsewhere.
That’s Compute Module carrier board territory.
The official Compute Module carrier board has a 1xPCIe slot for an NVMe or SATA adapter, and there are 3rd party carrier boards with a M.2 slot on them.
You can boot over Usb now, but yeah would be nice to have m.2
They said they will probably add a M.2 hat.
Voltage is potentially a concern. Can you run the Pi and a M.2 drive on 5V 3A?
Yes. See orange pi 5. The pi 5 comes w 5amp power supply now.
Yep! I run my pi off’a m.2 SSD, I love my case!
I think M.2 would require controller of sorts and would consume considerably more power. However nothing is stopping them from implementing flash chip. Even 8GB is more than enough for what device is normally used.
They're gonna prioritise companies again and make it impossible for normal people to get it, right?
I think that the rpi4 came out before the supply chain issue caused by Covid.
Before that, it was easy to get a Rpi. It was an issue getting any kind of electronic parts for any kind of project. You had to secure your supply for your production first before starting a project. It was never seen before.
You're wrong. They're not GOING to. They already have and won't stop. They're copying Nvidia.
Build your business off the backs of consumers and good will until you don't need them anymore. Then fuckem.
They're doing a great at capitalism.
What annoys me about all these RPi articles is the praise for improved performance and all the projects you can do with it, etc. But you can't find the damn thing to purchase. It's always out of stock everywhere I look. So much so I have given up on it completely. There are other competitor products with lower price that are fully compatible or I'll just end up using old phone.
They are way easier to find now than last year. Which ruined my little home project
Wow, can't wait to not be able to buy one!
*cries in third world country. Is it the same in North America (Canada and USA) and Europe?
Yes. (Sweden)
Almost the same fcomment I came here to make.
I cant wait to not be able to afford one.
I have just been buying small Linux computers on Amazon and hooking them up to Arduinos for all my projects. I probably won't buy a raspberry pi again since it's working so well
I got some old celeron N4100 4gb RAM/128gb NVME Thinkpad 11Es for $50ea with the power adapters. With as useful as they've been, I'm sold on doing something like that in the future.
There are many small DIY computers on the market now, not just Raspberry Pi.
Orange Pi, Banana Pi, Asus Tinkerboard, ..
Those usually don't have delivery issues.
Orange Pi delivery is only available via Ali Express or Amazon though.
Stock does seems low on Raspberrys, but I picked up a pi 4 last week without issue.
I haven't followed Raspberry Pi for years - when did they go from $25-35 to $100+?
I bought a Pi 3 for $25 when it came out.
Sold it for $115 a few months ago.
Got a $35 Pi 3B+ like 6 years ago or something, and sold it for $60 a couple of months back. Also had a Pi 4 (4 GB) that I also sold a couple of months back, and got $170 for it. The guy didn't even haggle. People who want a Pi really want a Pi, lol.
Scalpers. They haven’t been available since pandemic, plus the Pi 4 was designed in 2019 so is pretty old technology at this point.
I’m hoping the Pi 5 is their big comeback: modern, twice as fast, improvements in cases and hats, etc
This is great news... for business customers, as they're those are the only channels they'll be available through.
Well, unless you don't mind spending $200-$400 per unit to scalpers, who magically never seem to run out of stock.
This is great news… for business customers, as they’re those are the only channels they’ll be available through.
Could you elaborate, as I would imagine you'd be able to buy it from anywhere that wants to sell it, if not online?Edit: As I read further into this conversation a comment stood out for me that gave me understanding on what the original comment I was replying to might have been speaking about.
They’re gonna prioritise companies again and make it impossible for normal people to get it, right?
Ever since the pandemic they've diverted 99% of all available inventory to business only sales channels. They blamed the chip shortage, but it's been several years now ongoing.
You can only find the lowest tier crap stock, old stock, or scalped stock, from retail sellers.
This is very well documented and even websites setup to check stock across multiple resellers in the hopes of finding that 1% of retail allocation.
They sold out the community that built them up in favor of a business to business sales model. Don't let their PR team, or their fanboys, tell you otherwise.
That's the problem. They're always out of stock.
https://www.adafruit.com/search?q=raspberry pi 4
https://www.sparkfun.com/categories/233
You'd even be hard pressed to find one at a Micro Center or some other physical store.
So you're telling me Rpi's can finally emulate N64 games at full speed.
Revolution.
No, Project Reality.
I would love to upgrade my few 3b+ units, if you could actually buy this. It'll likely be out of stock for eternity, just like the 4 was
not to judge, but buying 3 billion+ raspberry pis seems like a lot!
Yes, it is I, the CEO of Broadcom
In the Czech Republic it will be available on 27/10 and I already preordered 2 units with 100% guarantee of delivery next day of release through 3rd party reseller who has big reputation in our country considering Raspberry Pi stuff.
It's 100$ for 8GB but you cannot buy it cheaper in our country and when I order it from official store I have to pay 21% tax + custom fee up to 15% + burocracy fee 5%, while filling dozens of forms and waiting endlessly for package to arrive and go through burocracy roller coaster. Fck that..
Where are you from and how much do you pay for it?
Ok, the amount of Pi's 5 for guaranteed delivery next day is sold out, but I'm in (first batch gone in 6 hours). 🙆♂️ The other's will receive Pi's until Christmas. The mania has begun.
Edit: I'm not even sure what I'll do with them I have zero (pi hole), zero 2w (ps4 jailbreak), 2gb 3b (with touch display and kali), 4gb 4b (6tb nas for movies and shows) so I need 8gb 5. 😅 Finding the use for it is the last problem. 😅
You can buy a 4 today..... they were out of stock for so long because of the pandemic
Obviously I got a RPi4 just a couple months ago, after struggling for 2-3 years... Well, crap.
EDIT: at least the prices didn't seem to have increases significantly over the previous version.
I was going to say, will I ever be able to buy one?
I was able to buy 2 Pi4's while trying to source 20.
They cost 2 and 5 times the expected price.
I ended up converting the project to use VIA industrial x86 boards instead. Reliable supply and reliable price.
Can we get a usb-c port with data? And more power supply to the ports? I hate having to power hard disks with a separate cable.
This is painful. I have a powered hub. But I suspect they have to design to whatever they have researched as their primary market.
I really wish they would have stuck 32/64GB storage or something like that on it, so the OS could boot without external reliance. Give the Pi0 8GB and it would be perfect.
I boot my Pi4 and Pi3 from SSD and it’s great but it’s clunky with the SSD and adapter.
I’m seriously considering a N100/N305 mini pc instead of my Pi.
So for how much :-D
I'd take a cheap slow one any day...
A cheap slow AVAILABLE one.
Like seriously, I've had horrible success trying to source Pi3/4 in the past few years and due to their bad availability, they cost so much it often end up opting for something different.
Man I really want something in the full size form factor but with a CPU closer to a zero2, basically I want a pi3 modernised and cost optimised, not another more powerful pi.
Yeah I want a cheaper zero with less power use, very few of my projects come close to using all the zeros resources so if they could do similar spec cheaper and modernized it would be amazing.
Maybe chuck on an ADC, power management for batteries, better usb power supply...
Not bumping the PCIe lanes to 4-8 is disappointing. So is now requiring active cooling, not using USB-C for the USB3 ports, and PoE being unusable without a hat.
It’s probably time to add a higher end “pro” line to let the “education” line focus on power efficiency, tiny form factors, and low cost.
Also, did they fire the cop they hired?
You're demanding a bunch more high performance connectivity - which means high performance silicon to run all those lanes - and complaining about the active cooling in the same post.
Did you read the second sentence? RPi needs to pick a lane, or have two targeted product lines.
For example, the MacBook Air is fanless with a lot more IO, and the Thinkpad X13s is also fanless with a lot more IO.
They are obviously not direct competitors, but they are examples of hi performance Arm silicon on the market.
The RPi is still kind of crappy, but it now requires active cooling. Crappy without a need for active cooling that’s more forgivable.
And for this reason the perscribed they split the product into two SKUs
The 4 already supposedly needed cooling
Just a decent heatsink
What I'd like to see is something like an updated and optimised ~pi3-spec device with EMMC or an m.2 sata slot. Yes I know I can put a pi zero2 into a breakout board, but they connect via USB and that severely limits performance.
I recently decommissioned my pis (2x 3b and 1x 4b) and replaced them all with a single intel n95 based NUC (which cost less than a single pi4 8gb at the time) and I didn't need any real gpio other than some serial ports, but if the right device came along with reliable storage I'd consider moving back to pis.
Any power management support yet?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
After a difficult few years of global supply chain woes leading to limited available and heightened retail pricing on the Raspberry Pi single board computers, today there is finally an update to the family.
Also interesting with the Raspberry Pi 5 is that it features in-house silicon in the form of the RP1 "southbridge" used for much of the board's I/O capabilities.
This southbridge should yield faster USB I/O along with other I/O bandwidth upgrades like a doubling of the peak SD card performance.
The Raspberry Pi 5 also features a single-lane PCI Express 2.0 interface for improved connectivity.
The Raspberry Pi 5 also features 802.11ac WiFi, Bluetooth 5.0 / BLE, the usual microSD card slot.
The Raspberry Pi 5 features two USB 3.0 ports, two USB 2.0 ports, Gigabit Ethernet, 2 x 4-lane MIPI transcievers, PCIe 2.0 x1 via a M.2 HAT or other adapter, 5V DC power via USB-C, the classic Raspberry Pi 40-pin GPIO header, and the two micro HDMI outputs.
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Look at the image! You just have to relocate the SMD resistor with the memory label to get the 8GB version from the smaller ones for free. Trust me, I'm an engineer!
https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-5?variant=42531604955331
£59.30 for the 4gig. £79 for the 8gig. No idea why people are going off thinking they need to spend £165.
Pre-order info page with dates etc:
https://support.thepihut.com/hc/en-us/articles/13847961024925
depends on the availability of the board, which historically has not been that great, the street price is gonna be upward twice to three times more than listed price.
Did they back out of their police associations?
I saw something about this somewhere else, but I don't know what's going on? What is this about?
The tldr is the pi foundation hired a former police officer and helped to provide hardware for 'legal' surveillance without a warrant. They then doubled down when confronted about it.