Communists? Nah, not a problem. I mean I'm a Star Trek fan, and while it's not played up that much the Federation is a post-scarcity socialist-adjacent society. I'm all for everyone having their basic needs met without condition or obligation, and money being obsolete.
Tankies though can fuck right off. North Korea is not a bastion of democracy. China is not more free than the US. This is not a comparison even worth entertaining.
Exactly, the tankies make me not want to talk about/positively about communist theory. I've always aligned more with socialist ideas but wasn't opposed to the idea of communism. The tankies make me just cringe when someone brings up communism now. It's like all the edgelords who have no real world experiences have gather together under the tanky flag.
Now that's patently unfair. Half of them became full conservative fascists instead.
I don't think anyone has a problem with post scarcity utopian idealism, we just aren't at the post scarcity part yet
Aye I wish belived that capitalism created a fair society. Seems more comfy.
In my experience, the point of leftism is to bring more power to the average citizen. What about that do you disagree with?
The meme doesn't say "leftism".
Communism =/= leftism. It's an extreme form of socialism.
My biggest problem isn't even the communist ideals. Have your ideas, that's fine. I don't care.
My problem is the amount of people coming into post comments attacking American Imperialism® on posts that aren't even related to communist ideals or, sometimes, that don't even mention America. It gets tiring reading how much America sucks when that's not even the point of the post.
Communism is leftist, and often conservatives and some liberals will call anything left of center "communist" so it's well within reason for the OC to be wary of your rhetoric.
Also disliking imperalism isn't only a communist thing, and I have to wonder what kinds of posts you're looking at that people bring up American imperialism if it's not relevant. I'm subscribed to a lot of political communities on Lemmy and don't see the topic of imperialism being brought up that often.
There are many types of communism. Most left leaning ideologies can be described in terms of communism. As Westerners, the further you live from Eastern Europe the more miseducated we tend to be about the subject.
This kind of false reduces the diversity economic ideologies into basically just "left" vs "right". Even amongst leftist ideologies, there's communism, democratic socialism, syndicalism, market socialism, and probably a bunch more.
The most common way to categorize economic ideologies I've seen is along the lines of who owns which means of production: land (including natural resources), labor, and capital.
- Socialists generally want social ownership of land and capital, and sometimes labor (depends on which socialist you ask).
- Capitalists generally want private ownership of land, labor, and capital.
- Georgists (like myself) want social ownership of land, but private ownership of labor and capital.
But even those don't reveal the complexity of how to implement social ownership of thing, or degrees of ownership. Income taxes, for instance, are a form of partial social ownership of labor, something both capitalists and many socialists on paper oppose.
- Market socialists want a market economy but with worker-owned coops.
- State socialists want direct state ownership.
- Georgists want social ownership of land through hefty land value, externality, and severance taxes.
But even that ignores the why of the various ideologies and their proposed policies.
- Syndicalists want to achieve greater equity through unions everywhere and in every industry because they believe the power of collective bargaining will level the negotiating power between employer and employees
- Market socialists want a market economy full of worker-owned coops because they see markets as an incredibly powerful tool, and because they see worker-owned coops as a very robust and equitable form of enterprise within a market economy.
- Georgists want to tax land and externalities and finite natural resources (as well as lower barriers to entry for free enterprise) because we believe rent-seeking and monopolism to be the source of rampant inequality, and that a truly fair and competitive market without market failure is the best engine for shared prosperity
- Genuine capitalists think the inequality is simply the unavoidable price to pay for all the prosperity, and that inequality itself is a motivator to be productive
And of course not all people hold their economic ideologies for noble reasons. Plenty of (if not most) self-described capitalists hold those beliefs either out of greed (because they're greedy rent-seekers whose land/externalities/natural resource rents ought be taxed away imo) or complacency (they don't like upsetting the status quo). There are also tankies who believe in communism not because they truly want a fair and equitable society that respects human rights but because they're just a fascist reactionary who likes to feel morally superior to others. I'm sure there are also some market socialists or Georgists or syndicalists as well who hold their beliefs for non-noble reasons.
But anyhoo, all that to say there's a tremendous complexity to economic ideology, and I think it's best to not frame everything as simple left vs right, black vs white, us vs them.
Not op, but I'd guess it's probably the part where you start murdering people and removing their basic freedoms.
That's also around the time someone walks up with a Fascism stencil and sprays it over your communism label.
I don't mind seeing communist content, it's better than the shit that I was seeing on Reddit's front page before I left it. At least communists aren't spewing hatred against people based on their skin colour, sexual orientation, gender identity, or other things that people can't control.
Although the centrists and leftists still hate each other, Lemmy is just a nicer place in general due to the lack of far-right horse shit.
Idk, getting told I should get hit by a truck and nuked into dust because of the country I happened to be born in is kinda sus.
Except for the tankies, who are all for authoritarian regimes under a false label of "communism."
Socies are cool but tankies are absolutely not
Lemmy would be great if people would just stop whinging all the time and just blocked communities they didn't like. Jesus.
Once instance based blocking is made available to users this will be a non issue
I'm always surprised by people complaining about seeing communities they don't want to see. Does everyone really browse "all"?! Why don't people just browse "subscribed" and only subscribe to communities they like?
Community search function sucks, so browsing all is really the only viable solution to find new communities.
Also often you can find communities you didn't even think to search for in all, which is probably the most important function on lemmy as long as it lacks so many of the niche communities which thrived on reddit.
Doesn't help when they comment on posts I make in general community.
Lemmy is great because of the commies
At least it's not Nazis, although tankies are every bit as bad.
I hear more complaining about commies/tankies than I actually see posts from them
You ought to consider yourself lucky.
> Joins federated network
> Complains that it's full of people who don't like hierarchy
Might as well complain about the open source software people while you're at it
It’s pretty wild people come to Lemmy and complain about this.
I’m grateful Lemmy is filled with commies (not the tankie ones but meh).
Neolibs infect everywhere else.
I'm a socialist. This is just some more red scare bullshit. Just because I'm socialist doesn't mean I'm a tankie licking Russia's and China's boots. I'm an EU citizen, full on EU supporter, and at the same time I can be a socialist.
this is how I feel about the liberals to be honest, but that's the beauty of lemmy: we can have our instance to talk about communism, and you can have your instance to talk about how much you hate communism.
Lol. 90% of hexbear posts are about liberals.
Libs live rent free in your heads, don't lie to us 😏
"I know we're the dominant group in everyday society, and most regular people agree with us, which means most people you must interact with on the daily are probably liberal, but we live rent free in your head you see, and it totally doesn't have anything to do with us shoving our bullshit down your throats every day in your daily life. It's because you're pathetic!"
Sure, Jan. Sure.
I just love that we can sit here in the fediverse and talk about it without one or the other getting banned. I guess I'm old school first amendment.
You have been banned from 𝕏
The problem isn't communism per se, but communism forcibly imposed.
More precisely, the problem is that communism is the superior system to the degree that it's egalitarian - that it eliminates the ruling class and instead treats all citizens equally - and the forcible imposition of communism immediately destroys that, since it presumes that those carrying out the forcible imposition rightfully possess the authority to do so, and thereby simply establishes them as a new ruling class.
Communism should be the goal, but in order to actually fulfill its potential, it MUST be voluntarily adopted by the people rather than forcibly imposed.
This but also humans are inherently greedy, easy to corrupt, and prone to power hungry authoritarianism, so no system we create to govern ourselves has ever, or will ever, be fair or just.
I'm not sure how to implement it, but I'd like to see a qualified lottery-based election in which power is briefly thrust upon competent citizens selected at random. Because you're 100% right that positions of power attract greed and corruption. I think that the best people to put in power are the people who understand the responsibility to the point that they don't want it, and if they're only in power for a very brief time then it shouldn't be very corrupting or special.
Imagine jury duty but for political office, complete with a limited voir dire function to weed out people who are grossly unfit. That's the closest to fair and just that I can think of. It's just hard to get there without already having somebody in charge who doesn't really want to be in charge lol.
I think Lemmy exists solely because of communists. Like one literally scripted it. So....
64% upvoted.
Ha, looks like OP definitely hit a nerve.
You might want to move instances. .ml is federated with hexbear, which has a lot of really annoying authoritarian communists. (Tankies) .world and many others are defederated with them, so you could block the subs and users, or move to a different instance.
I like commie porn tho
I've been seeing a lot of r/Sino leaking over into Lemmy (CCP propoganda). Everytime one pops up I just block the community.
I've seen a lot of users who are still salty about the fall of Berlin whining about communists.
Haven't seen a lot of communists.
i hate tankies with a burning passion
Psst, you are free to gtfo.
Pictured: two men working a bullshit job that doesn't need to exist
The medium is the message.
Lemmy is communist.
Anyone who doesn't get that doesn't understand communism or lemmy/fediverse
then let 4chan deal with it
Daily reminder that tankies aren't Communists and people who use those terms interchangeably are morons at best or malicious at most probable.
West is going fascist at full speed.
Libs complain about tankies.
There's no more blind than one who doesn't want to see.
Oh shit, that's based as fuck
