Tbf the admins of lemmy.ml are the ones who actually develop the service. They deserve our thanks also.
Thank Dessalines for Lemmy and Jerboa
People who name themselves after genocidal warlords can make some pretty good software
That's why the future is piefed. Lemmy is just one activitypub app.
165 comments.
Lmao wonder what happened here
Your comment made no sense at first. And then I checked comment counts on other instances 😀
No drama in this corner of the fediverse :)
Federation works in mysterious ways
we got organic fedi drama, sir
Locking while we sift through all the reports.
Aw, I like talking to you libs. ✌️
No stupid questions, right? What do they do?
Basically, Tankies are authoritarian bootlickers pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they'll probably deny it happend/just western propganda.
Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle. So, many instances defed from those 2.
.ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Because of that, and a lot of the lemmy support forums being on .ml, they tend to get handled with “kid gloves” more or less by most instances.
You can check out [email protected] or [email protected] and https://lemmy.world/post/26416571 https://lemmy.world/post/26047186 if you want to see more.
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Thanks! TIL I have a tankie in my extended family lol. Whenever we've talked about Russia/Ukraine or really anything, the response is 'but what about the dems!'. Its weird to have someone who's educated and seems quite rational in most ways actually believe that the pre-trump US was worse than Russia, where you really can't be a journalist without falling out of a window. Another of their favourite arguments is 'stop imposing your western values onto other cultures who don't want them' SMH. Still, I'd choose a tankie over a MAGA.
DBZer0 represent
Awww yeah
It's slowly starting to look like the next great influx as seen from Fedecan stats.
I'm just here because Boost finally stopped working for Reddit.
Welcome!
The straw that breaks the camel’s back!
September forever!
So just openly anti-leftist and trying to promote Lemmy as another pro-fascism and pro-corporate and pro-war social platform. Real big brain move, doofus.
New Lemmy users, be aware: a lot of the Reddit astroturfers duplicate their efforts here. Lemmy.ml is a leftist and anti-war instance, so it gets a lot of pushback from the astroturfers. Be immediately suspicious of anyone talking shit of Lemmy.ml. It’s mostly bad actors and pro-war people.
Also, Lemmy.world is chock full of the same abusive and sketchy power mods from Reddit.
lemmy.world news and politics subs are ran by neo lib regime apologists... they follow reddit censorship model.
when the dead CEO happened, they lied they were blocking Luigi discussion because they were legally obligated to do this. that turned to be a fucking lie because the main Luigi sub i hosted on lemmy.world now
The bans will come, just block those communities, there alternatives where proper discourse is permitted.
Reddit rebranded censorship into "modding" but you have to be stupid not to see what this is actually about. The parasite class does not want people having independent discussion on how they are fucking us.
I’d say the powermods here can be even worse. Immediate bans for anything even slightly leftist in those communities.
Tankies are anti-leftists. Full stop. Dressing it up in Soviet garb doesn't make their ideology any less authoritarian.
They just label anyone who opposes European Nazis “tankies” now.
.ml also has quite a few USSR- and China-fans (apologists for their crimes, going as far as praising Lenin/Stalin/Mao and similar leaders)
And I wouldn't call .ml anti-war, just look at their stance on Ukraine for example (very common: "Russia had to do it because of the evil west")
Calling Lemmy pro-corporate just reads like a joke. The entire point of it is to be independent from companies.
I also wouldn't recommend Lemmy.world simply because it isn't healthy when one instance gets too big.
Never said Lemmy is pro-corporate. The anti-Lemmy.ml posters are.
By “apologists for their crimes,” you’re referring to Lemmy.ml users providing sources dispelling the western hoaxes. Yes, they tend to be better educated and don’t simply repeat western propaganda that’s been debunked.
my fucking sides
new users, either believe we're alt right astroturfers, or go to the tankie servers, familiarize yourself with their ideas, make your own opinion
I agree. They should look at Lemmy.ml to see what y’all are opposing.
Thank you for your accidental recruitment efforts.
Lol .ml is not leftist, they're authoritarians.
.ml site-bans people for their speech even on other instances, now that's a page right out of the reddit power tripping mod handbook when you'd get banned from a sub because you interacted with another sub they didn't like
https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
https://lemmy.world/post/26047186
At least here the modlog is public and I can document the speech that .ml actually removes
Thank god you're documenting the very important and widely censored speech like.. checks links "we were gonna ban you anyway!!".
Phew, this constructive dialogue will not go unheard by the people. Free speech is restored.
Jesus fucking christ dude, the insane obsession you guys over at lemmy.world have with tankies is unreal. Maybe go outside and touch some grass.
It's always the same two instances complaining about the rest of the Fediverse not bending over to bootlick the US overworlds, and accusing the rest of somehow simping for other regimes just on the basis of opposing that. It is seriously getting tedious and insufferable.
On top of that, including lemmy.ml in there is just disingenuous. Grad and hexbear sure, they are spaces openly and deliberately created to discuss leftist politics. But there is literally nothing making lemmy.ml any less generalist than any instance, maybe other than a certain instance that is happy to ban and defederate anyone who dares question the US hegemony. You cannot bind lemmy.ml to "tankism" on any basis other than the Lemmy devs being socialist themselves despite letting anyone of any political creed use their software, unless you are dumb enough to take decontextualized meanwhileongrad-level bullshit seriously.
I moved over from .world to .ml to flee away from this American exceptionalism brainroot and, guess what? It didn't work. I keep seeing the same constant complaints about this fictional group of Lemmy users that really like Putin and Xi or something and weaponizing those complaints to support and enact hostile actions against people and instances discussing anti-capitalist, anti-establishment policy. The only thing that changed is that now, besides that, I can also see leftists users engage in posts from my own account. So, funnily enough, the echo chamber effect became weaker after I moved to .ml.
It was a rather funny timing that this whole discussion about lemmy.ml being a hardcore tankie instance that should be widely defederated etc came to be about at the time that lemmy.world defederated lemmygrad and consequently ran out of red-flavored scapegoats to claim that they are being oppressed by some nebulous left-wing echo chamber.
I give .ml a tiny bit more lenience (think I spelled that right).
But they do remove comments in support of ukraine which is just objectively wrong.
I originally joined .ml excited for a less shit leftist internet space. I really gave it a chance.
But it's the same ML brainrot you find way too often in leftist spaces. It has nothing to do with worker liberation and is just focused on relitigating the cold war and defending different tyrants. I actually spent a lot of time defending ML for leftist diversity I now understand was largely imagined. That stopped when they kept banning me for not licking the boot.
You should look at OP’s post history. They’re probably responsible for most of those posts. They’re a serious problem poster. Definitely a pro-war, pro-NATO astroturfer. Hardcore anti-leftist psycho.
idk they just seem like a bog standard Anglosphere liberal who has made "being online" their entire identity. The more time they waste posting, the less active they'll be in the real world, so just let them rot their brains away in peace tbh.
Go ahead, my post history is an open book lmao
Hey, I'm sure it pays well for them
Nah man, my initial onboarding experience was seriously influenced by interacting with .ml. you can pretend the experience of thousands of users doesn't matter, but .ml is legitimately worse than reddit in basically every way. It's good that influence is being diluted.
Whenever I see comments like these, and their posters are asked to ellaborate, they usually always end up with something along the lines of "Well I wanted to be transphobic in peace and they wouldn't let me".
I won't ask you to elaborate. Don't know if it's your case, don't care either. At this point if you are seriously attempting to conflate .ml with the other two instances you are undoubtedly engaging in bad faith. But if this wasn't already a red flag in its own right, you went out of your way to confirm it by saying that ".ml is legitimately worse than reddit in basically every way".
You are not "thousands of users" and it's quite pretentious of you to project your experience onto so many people. However, by adding fuel to the constant fire of the never-ending tankie discourse on Lemmy, you are helping making this place hostile to everyone except for a very thin fraction of the political spectrum (the one that is allowed to thrive in the West), therefore making it suck on Lemmy for, you know, actual thousands of users of many different backgrounds and creeds that don't share the rabid anti-tankie brainrot.
I dunno bro, any one who has had the audacity to say something in support of Ukraine more than a few times on Lemmy has had the joyous experience of having multiple .ml users rant to them about Ukraine being run by Nazis. Or some other such nonsense.
I get that it's unfair to generalize the entire instance. But .ml users like yourself, who consistently refuse to acknowledge the problem, act as a shield to these bad actors. Your instance has a problem, and if you all keep ignoring it, you become a safe-haven for it, and will eventually be consumed by it.
You put it perfectly, there is a lot of good people on those instances, but there is a few (very active) there that make those instances unbearable.
Except I have clear evidence documented of .ml's tankieness with full context included.
Tankies are not socialists, they deny all the wrong doings of authoritarian regimes, they even deny that NK isn't actually a dictatorship LMAO
.ml removes comments and posts for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK. How is that ok your book? I myself would love to see the fall of capitalism, but like I said before, not to just replace it with authoritarianism.
Edit: LMAO .ml unbanned and rebanned me just so that they could brigade my post lololol
Not willing to start an argument, since this whole topic about "tankies" on Lemmy is exactly as toxic, disingenuous and unproductive as it was back on Reddit, so I might not reply further than this.
But elsewhere in this thread I have seen you post "evidence" that was actually just some ridiculous meanwhileongrad thread. If we are going by those standards then I might as well pull out all the exaggerated out of context circlejerking about liberals that is common on Hexbear. If we are to drop our collective IQ to zero, we may well be playing this game in both directions. But oh wait, turns out it's only bad when Hexbear does it to own the libs, but it's fully solid compelling evidence when another certain instance does it about "tankies".
The claim that .ml is censoring comments "for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK", at the very least, does not match my experience of browsing .ml at all. But if you do have evidence as you say, I invite you to actually post it and let people discuss. It shouldn't be hard; the modlog is public.
That said, I'm personally not interested in starting the 95474214th Lemmy argument about tankies this week on this website so don't expect me to reply.
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cmon we just want capitalism to die already 🥺
by supporting capitalist regimes
No, a lot of users, especially on Lemmygrad, support Russia and their invasion, for example. Hexbear supports China's dictator. Most .ml I've interacted with are also on Russia's side.
Don't act like the only thing is anti-capitalism. That'd be fine. It's everywhere on the fediverse. No, those instances stand apart for a reason, and you know that.
Lol bro most of us want capitalism to die, but not to just replace it with another authoritarian regime
Libertarian socialism
Capitalism cannot be killed by any political movement unwilling to repress Capitalists. Look at the state of Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism the world over, and how in every borgeois democracy it is losing ground to fascism, and either accept the truth or bury your head in the sand.
Same, but I also think killing average working people for no reason makes you a bad person.
socialism = murdering innocent civilians is a propaganda trope. who would want that?
Same, I just don't want it to be like the soviet union.
not many leftists (even marxist-leninists like myself) want things to be exactly like in the soviet union. firstly because conditions were different back then, secondly because they were the very first socialist experiment and made many mistakes despite their great advancements. theres also the fact that period was heavily propagandized to westerners, making for a biased view of what it was.
we learned a lot since then and socialism is supposed to be adapted to the will of the people and current material conditions. every socialist country does things differently. as a south american i personally like the latin american attempts and would love to see them grow uninmpeded by imperialism.
domestic terrorist vibes detected... proper authority has been notified, resistance is futile.
o no mr cop i swear im obeying
What's the Seal instance? 🤔
Don’t forget Blahaj.Zone as they’re awesome too! Here’s to having 10k folks🍻
Lmao what. Blahaj is just as bad as hexbear.
Ex-Redditor reporting for duty. Thank-you for being a friend 🫡
Y’all need to work on getting r/popculture here - from Kardashian posts to getting SLAMMED for supporting Luigi is the journey we all need to be on.
Make yourself at home!
Welcome to Lemmy, here are a few pointers to help you settle in
Ty - subbed to both. Will look now.
Welcome!
We'll go down the road and back again.
didn't the triad literally create the Fediverse? I don't like them either but that deserves a little respect
They didn't create the fediverse. The owners of .ml are the devs of lemmy, a fediverse software.
.ml was the first instance and was/is run by the developers
And Hexbear has been around longer than almost every other instance.
OP is a huge anti-leftist poster on here. They’re constantly flooding the feed with this shit.
Having anti capitalistic views in the fediverse is so important in times like this. Excluding the putin shills ofc.
That's what most people generally agree with.
Opposing western wars is not being “pro Putin.”
Every regional instance other than .uk: :'(
Sopuli and lemmy.ca are regional
True but what about feddit.org, feddit.it, jlai.lu and so many other :(
I thought I put the .UK one, isn't the top middle the UK instance logo?
I think he mea s you include the UK one, but all the other regional ones are left out
Remember when I told you to keep it easy on the memes against .ml, hexbear and grad a few days ago? 😄
Since I blocked them I tend to forget there is a Triad of rot on lemmy.
Libs love shitting on the efforts of communists, even as they enjoy the fruits of communist labor.
That's not a good argument. We (unfortunately) enjoy the fruits of many awful and unmoral ideologies. History is fucked.
Don't be butthurt.
Tankie triad represent
The other 2 are explicitly communist but I'd never assume a lemmy.ml user is a tankie.
People who chose the thing run by the people who make the thing gang rise up
I got so many tanks man
Hey, how are you here? Please tell davel to stop screwing with my site ban and fix it.
I don't want to lose my achievement :(
"Await"? We're deep into it.
Have we still got any bourbons left?
There's always bourbons left.
Memes or it didn't happen lmao
Thank you admins, we appreciate you. Mostly.
What'd they do this time?
There is so much "comment removed by reddit"s now.
They also flagged the word "luigi" as violence.
Reddit? You can’t say Luigi without being flagged for moderation and Eat the Rich is a call for violence lol
there is nothing lemmy hates more than new lemmy users
wrong they hate the older ones.
I see new users being welcomed all the time.
Poor LW
Still federated with Threads
ngl, I consider .world to be on a similar level of obnoxiousness to .ml
Honestly feels worse than ml.
Agreed, Blahaj.zone users see their problems. They’re an aggressive bunch.
