I didn't know those things had to make sense.
Dying swans, twisted wings
Am I the only one who reads this as satire by Kojima?
This is literally what people used to say about his convoluted plots with a million references.
Honestly if it is, he got me and it honestly makes a lot more sense.
I only know Kojima by reputation, I haven't played his games or followed him much, but I was surprised someone like him could miss obvious things.
I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hari Kiri Rock.
Performative ignorance.
Not everyone rewatches MCU movies every year, so it’s understandable. What I don’t understand is why people think it would take a whole movie to convey that Sam Wilson is now Captain America.
"It's me, I'm here, deal with it"
You know you done fucked up when Hideo Kojima can't follow your storyline.
Its because they broke form when having the next captain america.
It should be: CAP Big CAP Solid CAP Liquid CAP Naked CAP And PAC
what
I think big cap would be John Walker,
We will know the MCU is truly cooked when either an American Kingdom Hearts uberfan, or Tetsuya Nomura himself can't figure out the MCU plotline.
Always wanted to write the most convoluted thing ever, a fan fiction cross over of metal gear solid and kingdom hearts. Eventually after hours of convoluted plot the ending leads to the twist nobody big boss big boss was just venom snake that has time traveled here to lul the xenort patriot system in a perfectly executed false flag operation destroying heartless gear gear to allow solid sora to reach kingdom hearts which nobody ocelot corrupted by heartless liquid was expecting and beats solid snake to it to try and corrupt everything. But it was all a plan by nobody snake to lure ocelot to what he thought was kingdom hearts but was reallya trap planed all long a place were soldiers could protect kingdom hearts...outer heaven.
I'm a French Kingdom Hearts reasonable fan and I've got no clue what's going on with the MCU.
What does "officially becoming Cap" mean?
Steve Rogers Captain America literally passes the Captain America shield to Sam Wilson in Endgame. Is that not officially Sam Wilson Captain America's start?
Sure, Falcon and the Winter Soldier will go on to tell the story of Sam's struggle in becoming the next Captain America, but by that series end, Sam is definitely Captain America.
When Brave New World starts, Sam is Captain America. The opening battle, that's Sam Wilson Captain America.
If you've seen Endgame, you know Sam is Cap. If you've seen Falcon and the Winter Soldier, you know Sam is Cap. If your introduction is Brave New World... Sam is Cap.
That said I get the Brave New World & Thunderbolts confusion. Bucky is a Captain America character, so seeing Bucky in the Thunderbolts trailer makes that film seem like a Captain America film. I know it's not that simple and it's a shared universe, but I get that one.
In the Thunderbolts Trailer, it shows US Agent (who has a costume similar to Captain America) using a round shield to block gunfire. If that trailer played before the movie he was watching, it's understandable someone that didn't watch Falcon and Winter Soldier would think "oh that guy is Captain America now, I guess? Thought Sam Wilson was going to be Captain America... but ok, I guess." Then the move starts and it actually is Sam Wilson as Captain America.
This is the problem with there being so many entries into the franchise and filmmakers assuming everyone has watched them all. Most people aren't going to know who US Agent is and from the Thunderbolts trailer, they might assume it's a new Captain America.
I agree with Thunderbolts confusion. Brave New World and Thunderbolts should not be coming out back to back.
Brave New World was originally due out a year ago, but things happen.
Now the idea that John Walker caused the confusion actually makes a lot more sense. If you've never seen Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and the last trailer you saw was for Thunderbolts you could be confused why some dude who looks like Cap shows up. THEN you watch Brave New World, it's Sam, like you always thought. Now it seems like you missed something, because you did, but that thing now feels noticable.
That all actually makes more sense.
He did say that he vaguely remembered the end of Endgame with the handing over of the shield, and that he did not see Falcon and Winter Soldier, so from his perspective it does seem jarring for him to be Captain America all of a sudden. Perspectives matter.
If I had to guess what he was communicating it would be about an official re-showing of the handover of the mantle in the beginning of this new movie, and not requiring people to have seen a previous TV series.
It could have even been just a montage, from him being given the shield, to where he was at the beginning of the opening battle in this movie, mixing in a recap of Falcon and Winter Soldier best scenes.
But that's my point, you don't need to have seen Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It adds character growth and is worth seeing, but if you skip it and only watch Endgame and Brave New World, he ends one as Captain America and starts the other as Captain America.
Additionally if there were any confusion, before Sam Wilson gets all suited up we watch a news anchor talk about Sam Wilson as Captain America, cut to a bar where Sam Wilson is called Cap and then the bartender repeats that the drink is on the house for Cap.
No one watched Spider-Man No Way Home and went, wait, when did Tony Stark die? Why is Peter so sad about Tony Stark?
It felt so strange to me, as it seemed like Bucky was the more natural choice to pick up the mantle. Might've been more interesting too
I certainly think they could have gone that route. I think Falcon and Winter Soldier does a good job exploring that idea. I do think handing it to Sam is interesting from a non-super soldier standpoint.
If kojima can't follow your story, you know you're cooked.
I mean the show is about Sam deciding if he wants to be cap or not
Yeah but it's demonstrating pretty handily that demanding your audience watch a streaming series to follow your movie beats is a bad idea.
Except that isn't what happened.
If you don't watch Falcon & The Winter Soldier then Sam goes from accepting the role of Captain America in Endgame from Steve, to being Captain America in Brave New World. There is a moment in Endgame where Sam isn't sure he's earned it, but that's part of the conversation with Steve.
If however you do watch Falcon & The Winter Soldier you discover that Sam did wrestle with the idea of being Captain America for more than just a moment. During the series Sam grows as a character and ultimately does accept the role of Captain America.
For the purposes of the Captain America character The Falcon & The Winter Soldier is not required. It's a nice bonus to his character and I would recommend it. It's like watching The Avengers having not seen Captain America 1. You can enjoy the Captain America character without having seen his origin story.
Especially such a mediocre one
I don't get it. They should cater specifically to people who have seen other Captain America movies but haven't seen (or don't remember) Endgame? What an arbitrarily narrow demographic.
It’s sarcastic. The number 1 critique people have about Kojima’s video games is that the plots are convoluted, and major plot points are often hidden in offshoot games. The Metal Gear series practically requires a college level 101 course to accurately follow.
If you’ve ever played the Kingdom Hearts series, it’s a lot like that; If you only played Kingdom Hearts 1, 2, and 3, you would have no fucking idea what was happening in the plot. Because the vast majority of the story in between each game is buried behind spin-offs.
I thought it was pretty obvious he was going to be the next Cap after End Game (? The one where they finally beat Thanos). Even if you hadn't seen Winter Soldier, it was super obvious foreshadowing in Endgame.
I vaguely remember big boss being a woman in MGS3 but then in 5 suddenly they're a man?!
TIL there's more than one Captain America. Dude's pulling a Spider-Man
In the comics world, almost every superhero has had different people using the name at different times. But then again, they almost always bring back the original eventually, too...
At this point in the MCU there’s been three people that have carried the shield.
Steve Rogers
John Walker
Sam Wilson
I don't get why people have the simultaneous stance of:
- I refuse to watch even a recap (let alone the series) of other content prior to watching a movie
- I demand that no details have changed, and if so, everything is laid out in explicit detail so I can enjoy this movie about strong dudes punching each other
Pick a lane guys
I dont know, I'm starting to understand it. Like, the last marvel movie I remember making a point to see was the most recent Spider-Man (however long ago that was), and I was falling off before then. I watched Loki, but that was it other than catching parts of a movie on streaming. I missed all the other big shows. The fucking mountain of mediocre media it feels like I have to climb to get caught up is absurd. So, if it's something like watching a (one) movie or a series to get context -- fine. But if I need to start by looking up a guide and watch order just to get hours of subpar content, then I'm out. I'll watch the new Spider-Man, and complain when you rely on some flop from a year ago rather than construct an actual plot that's reasonably self-contained.
This is coming from someone who reads and collects comics. I'm no stranger to the "read this other series for 1-?? issues to get the full story!", but MCU is something else entirely. Wide where it should be tall.
This is what I don't get though. What's vital to understand in these movies where you can't enjoy them on their own? Spider-Man:No Way Home is an anomaly in that it heavily relies on past movies to get the full picture, but at the end of the day, it's about gathering a team and beating the bad guys. The movie explains enough to understand the plot.
There aren't many movies that are integral to watch before any others. You could hop in blind at any point and at a baseline enjoy that movie, even if that very first movie is Infinity War.
So, yeah if you don't care about She-Hulk or Ms. Marvel, feel free to skip. Go see Thunderbolts if that looks good. But if you feel you'll get caught up with minutia, look up a 5-minute 'Thunderbolts recap' beforehand (it should cover you if you didn't see Black Widow, Hawkeye, Ant-Man and the Wasp, and Falcon & The Winter Soldier) to get the backgrounds on those characters.
