Maybe they've always been Mordor
Maybe they've always been Mordor
When did 'Murica, land of the free, abandon freedom for madness?
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Can't help but to sing along
I gotta organize them to make them more singable sometime.
Murica, land of the free, was founded by people who owned slaves. While speaking about the evils of slavery.
So the madness was always there.
It was right around the time he got shot and made that fake fist pump. Also when he started considering that scum bag - obama a friend.
The US is just Helldivers 2 in real life. A democracy managed by Elon Musk and people ready to die for „liberty“, „prosperity“ and „freedom“.
We live in a country that was stolen then we stole some other people so they could do the work for us. Then conquering half a continent wasn’t good enough for us, so we went around ruining other places if they didn’t want to give us all their stuff. If people think we only recently crossed a line, I’d generously hope they were just ignorant because the alternative is horrific. Every piece of the past is a step that got us to where we are.
I’m starting to think the same thing, if you go over US foreign policy since WW2 it is almost like the mask is just coming off entirely now.
America did a lot of bad stuff, to put it mildly. This is definitely something else though.
I agree, that’s what I mean by it just going mask off, there’s no pretending about a probable cause of higher moral path etc this time.
What? You're welcome for all that world peace and prosperity since ww2. It is about time Europe started to share this burden.
Sorry to burst that bubble, but just because you were never taught about the things they're talking about doesn't mean they didn't happen.
It just means your education system, like most, is run by nationalists that care more aboutv using mythology to make more nationalists than about conveying historical fact.
Path before Regan/Gorbachev prevented war in Europe. Korea and Vietnam were clear US instigations, as was Afghanistan rebel support as first proxy war on Russia/Afghan communist government, with dubious peace objectives. I will give you shared prosperity of west as US needed to support EU as an "example of benefit of US friendship". And ICBM treaties, Cuba missile crisis, I also grant you as peace.
After USSR breakup, US military complex needed new funding excuses. Destabilizing eastern Europe to foment hatred against Russia and NATO expansion started early. Middle east/oil conquests traded minimal prosperity for high debt loads and stronger police state. Subversion of CIS states of Ukraine and Georgia started early, and precisely as a buildup for NATO war on Russia, but also direct diminishment of Europe in subservience to US. New colonization of Sweden and Finland means their prosperity and peace is diminished.
Europe started to share this burden.
Europe instead needs stronger alliances with nations on their continent. That means not being vassals to US and their subversion of democracy, and definitely not subsidizing their overpriced weapons industries. There is an ocean protecting Europe from US too. "Values based alliances" are always BS. Humanism certainly has "best practice values", but one of them is to let others have the freedom to adopt their own values without violently oppressing/objecting to them.
It's not analogy, it's allegory. It applies too well to the world.
I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.
True. But in 21st century colloquial speech, a linguist would have to admit that, descriptively, "widely applicable" and "allegorical" are nearly synonymous. But I'm also a fan of the quote, history does not often repeat itself - but it rhymes. So whether it's fictional history or rough allegory, the end result is the same.
Murica was never free, has always been madness
We were freed from England. Slaves were freed from slavery. But, no, we were never freed from plutocracy. We've made attempts, though. There will always be someone trying to opress. There will always be a culture of servitude because in service of others power is concentrated.
Although, America has continued to fight for its freedom. Sometimes winning. Sometimes losing. As a result Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
Although, America has continued to fight for its freedom. Sometimes winning. Sometimes losing. As a result Americans have experienced more freedom than those who came before.
Most brainwashed people on earth.
Slavery in the British Empire ended a generation before slavery ended in the US.
Sorry, but USA was founded on hypocrisy, pretty words about freedom and equality set down on paper by slave masters.
Everyone else in the world knows you get freedom by voting for it in election after election. Only Americans believe that freedom is granted by deified slave masters.
All states are tyranny, agreed.
True but if you don't have an army you'll quickly become a slave to others who do have an army
Legend says it started with Trump getting a dirty sanchez in a Moscow brothel.
I was there the day the strength of men failed.
I will draw you, Donald, as poison is drawn from a wound.
Shouldn't you wait until there is an agreed upon deal before you criticize the hypothetical agreement that lives in your imagination?
Europe must join together send to shit USA and go full Gandalf the White
May I suggest to evaluate the idea to side with Russia and go full homeland vs newland. I mean EU + Russia sided with China could smash the old USA. If USA leaves NATO the rest of NATO could integrate Russia. Top notch superpower, with a little topping of democracy. TL DR What if EU + RU Vs USA ?
I mean it’s easier for logistics once you build proper infrastructure. Better than an ocean
But don’t mind this comment nor take it seriously, what I want is no more wars.
Peace
More importantly, why is EU Gandalf supporting so many pro-Sauron leaders when they have USA Saruman's fall as a cautionary tale right in front of them?
America may be able to join Russia, but ultimately the war in Ukraine is a war on Europe so how tf does Europe "join" Russia (besides handing over the entire territory)?
I think that's the point, that's what Saruman here is advising, just like some European politics, unfortunately - to join Russia willingly, to become what Belarus is, a vasal state.
How about Europe joins the war?
no thank you
Friesengard
Oh, my friend
How did you come
To trade the fiddle for the drum
2016
Yeah, America was fine before that, just ask Iraq, lol. (and Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, Indonesia, Korea, Chile, Panama, Cambodia, Iran, Palestine, etc)
[Insert Always has been meme]
I don't like Putin, but showing serious political situations as blockbuster movies is a bit distasteful.
Haven't you heard? All politics can be explained through comparison to Harry Potter, Starwars, or Lord of the Rings.
Pffft... Nowhere near as distasteful as Donald Trump turning the USA into a nation that's all about betraying allies for money.
The USA has been the bad guy since, like, 1952. Hell, it was post-Soviet Russia that joined with The United States back in the post-9/11 War on Terror period. And the Europeans aren't Gandalf. You are a serf. Bitch, you live in Alsace. You are a peasant. You need to give your fuckin' lord the grain. Your fucking children, you've had 15 children. You've never taken a bath. You've literally never. washed. your. penis. You've never used toilet paper. Motherfucker, you have worms. You are dying. You've had 40 children, 3 of them are alive. 2 of them are child soldiers in the Duke's army.
Bitch, the greatest thing you can hope for is to die at the old age of 36. You fucking can't read. You don't know what TV is. If you were transported into today, you would be the worst gamer of all time. You don't know shit. You literally probably don't even know what the direction 'left' is. I'm sure some Medieval guy is gonna get mad at me for this, bitch I've been to the Renaissance Fair. I've eaten a large turkey wing, which the Juggalos call 'bitch beaters', which I think is problematic but a funny thing to call them.
Motherfucker, you gotta recognize where you are, and then you gotta get passed that. You gotta be unemotional. You can't sink into this hole. You live in the oubliette. Your job is to crawl up the ladder, motherfucker. You live in the HOLE. You're in the HOLE. You are a RAT. And the rat, when he's in the hole gets fucked. People only throw trash in the hole.
You need to eat a body. And you need to carry the plague. And you need to carry a plague around this whole world, that will change this whole fuckin world. And all your enemies will vomit black bile and will choke on blood and will grow boils and die. But only if you get together with your other RATS. And you come up with some kind of super plague, to fuckin end your enemies and...
End. This. Nightmare.
Get better soon.
