No ads, No tracking and Opensource
No ads, No tracking and Opensource
geteilt von: https://kerala.party/post/68919
Or Voyeger or any other opensource Lemmy client.
I just leave you with my favorite quote of Ljdawson, made during the reddit api war:
"I don't know. I don't track shit."
He has crashlytics. That's about it.
Tbh, I don't care for open or closed source, I don't even care for free or payed. (19 bucks per year.. That's like what, a coffee and a donut at a Starbuck?)
Stuff must just work and to be honest... All available clients all work sort of.
This one does this good but sucks at multi instances. That one screws up gifs from that and this site. Made an error typing your user name!/password during setup? Tough shit. You can't edit it so redo from start, remove it and type well this time.
Sync just seems to work.
That's not to shit on anyone hard work: I can't do it, I can't make them, I'm glad these clients exist. I don't expect free tools to be perfect.
But I'm also superglad Sync for lemmy is a thing. And I will pay for it when it's out of beta.
Sync not only works. It's the smoothest App I have on my phone. The animations and transitions are just beautiful, well timed and do not stutter even a tiny bit. I wish all android apps were like Sync. I'll gladly pay whatever he charges.
Yeah I assumed the ad tracking was mostly Google's own doing, or whatever ad provider that hes using for injected ads.
Sync just seems to work.
Didn't I read the current version does not allow you to post? I feel its pretty weird to release an app in that state and still keep ads in it.
But if you are happy paying and using that, more power to you! Meanwhile I save that money and use one of the many open source clients that actually work.
Sync is fantastic, and I've used it for years. But I'll be sticking with Thunder. Its UI is close, and I'm able to contribute the things I want to change.
You do you, but for me personally, the only honest software in existence is software willing to disclose it's source code.
Sync is fucking fantastic, just how I remember. I don't mind at all paying for a great app by a talented dev.
The pro version is supposed to be out later, and will just be a one-time payment unlike ultra's subscription
The lifetime purchase to remove ads is up. It's a bit pricey but I can understand why, Lemmy has a smaller userbase. Totally worth it.
I wonder if it was because of the backlash from being subscription only? I was surprised by how many angry posts there were. I gotta admit even I was disappointed. I don't mind paying for a pro version. But a subscriptions a bit of an ask, as I don't need the features offered by it, but I do like sync and Lawrence is a good guy.
Same, I'm paying for the ultra subscription. But I understand if someone is using another app, Connect is pretty good. I'm just an old dog
Its not about the money but about the software freedom and source transparency
I say this as someone who is probably one of the biggest supporters of software-freedom around here, but bullying or shaming people for preferring non-free apps does nothing but incite resentment towards the movement. I value the four freedoms because I think I deserve control of my computing, not because I think it's my place to dictate what others should value.
The community is one of the worst aspects when working with/on opensource software.
There are so many people with Open Source rabies...
Combine that with all those people who don't understand the difference between software developed by people who donate their spare time to work on FOSS software and for-profit software developed by big corporations. As a FOSS dev you get so many entitled assholes who think downloading a free app gives them the right to threaten/abuse the devs.
And then there are the fanboys who attack everyone who talks about downsides of their favourite product.
All in all, the hostile community makes FOSS development very not fun.
This is what gets me. I look into software for my company. Someone put up a open source alternative. I expressed my concerns with a small open source project and they acted like i murdered his first born. Well past the point of unprofessional and into the HR realm.
I'm not against open source by any means but there is a place for everything. This just was not the place for this specific product with only a handful of devs and no support. If a system goes down we need to have someone we can call.
In about 10 mins of pooping time i've seen so much fanboyism as you've described. More than ive ever seen prior.
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I just installed the new sync and I'm given the impression that everyone here is 5'7 and uses gentoo so they have to compensate
I voiced my opinion on one of the sync announcement posts and it was received quite controversially.
We all get stuck in our own camps and become quote tribal and I feel like all around it's difficult to not take what is being said as some kind of attack.
Yeah. How about just everybody uses what they fucking want and leave each other alone? You know, like it should be in real life. That would be nice.
I think that's nuts. I use sync and I don't care what you use. You can also dislike Sync all you want, I will never feel attacked by that.
I don't think the meme is bullying or shaming people using sync...right? He said he likes infinity better even though sync is awesome because its libre and open source
I don't get why instead of making posts about "Don't use Sync!" no one is saying "Feel free to use and pay for whatever you like! But as a friendly reminder please note that you should also consider helping your instance owners or the core Lemmy team as well."
There's nothing wrong at all with paying for software, and even some will be fine with ads. It has literally nothing to do with anyone else but that person. Let them do them.
Like I say though, I think the thing that should be being said is that the app is not self contained and that these people should seriously consider helping out the other aspects as well if they can. But hey, no, let's just belittle them and push them away instead of welcoming them. I can almost guarantee that the availability of Sync will bring more users to Lemmy that never would have been here otherwise.
I used Sync for almost the full 11 years on Reddit and will gladly support the dev on Lemmy.
Same. Sync was the only way I accessed Reddit since 2012.
You understand the feeling I have today using it. Feels so good.
I don't understand the bitching about it, we users were asking for this, it is the good thing about Lemmy/Fediverse, you have tons of options, and probably will have more, heck even the PWA are awesome, no need to download anything at all.
People like to bitch
Remind me of that meme where the person is complaining about the thing, gets the thing and then has the frowny face.
You have to accept to being tracked by Google, having an advertising id, all the data Firebase collects. Their ToS is large.
Users were asking for it, that's true. I guess users don't really care about being tracked, allowing google into their phone and indirectly supporting them controlling the web, thus enabling them to do things like manifest v3 or the web integrity API.
Ads? understandable, the dev has bills to pay. Not open source? Purists may hate it, but not the end of the world. Tracking? Google? No thanks, the beautiful design is not worth it.
Many of us were sync users who came over because of the api changes. Don't care about tracking.
One time payment is there. Someone confirmed that there is no connection to Google after paying the one time payment.
I will admit I never knew any of this
Sync is a perfectly fine app for me. I tried all other apps and nowhere near to sync. I don't even have ads on the free version as I am using dns ad blocker. The moment one time payment for removing ads is out(it is coming), I will buy it. Or I will donate to dev in some other way as I am not a fan of subscriptions.
There's just nothing that comes even close to Sync for me. Happy to support the developer.
I do not have ads either....but no idea why I do not have an ad blocker, they just appear.empty for some reason.
I've tried different reddit third party apps for months at a time, and I've got to say, Sync is probably the best app I have used in terms of designs and fluidity.
Same I haven't seen a single ad. I'll probably pay to removed them anyways but I want to evaluate the competition first
What adblocker are you using?
I am using a private dns ad blocker. android phones have the option to change the dns server, I changed it to dns.adguard.com
Best option on Android: Netguard, the F-Droid-version. The Google Play Store version has no adblocking capability.
Yeah, this shit is getting old really quickly.
What client I use doesn't affect your experience. I and lots of others are reddit refugees and I used sync for years. I'm ecstatic to have the interface back.
Bullshit gatekeeping and bickering over ideological purity doesn't help anyone. At the end of the day, lemmy is confusing for someone accustomed to reddit. There is a learning curve. Most of us just want to exchange info and converse. I don't give a fuck to learn about FOSS and all that other bullshit any more than any of you want to learn the specialized minutiae I have to sift through at my day job.
Shut the fuck up already. This sort of discourse lands like a bunch of shitty kids meeting at a half empty bar all criticizing how one another got there
nailed it
You are commenting on a meme that says the same thing you just did in a slightly different and more concise way, though. All I see in the comments is people saying why they prefer one app over another. I don't really see anybody bashing people for picking a a specific app.
I think you are overreacting a bit.
If you do see people being bullied for picking one app over another, then I apologize. I just mostly see people criticizing Sync for not being FOSS, or see people criticizing the FOSS stuff for not being user friendly. I don't really see a problem with people criticizing software, as long as it isn't an attack on the users of said software.
I do agree that there are too many damn posts about this, but I don't really care about it that much. Maybe others do.
I mean. If we're going to ride that analogy it sounds like sync is an automatic transmission while FOSS is manual.
I just want to get where I want to go. Who cares how it happens? It's not like sync is imessage and fucks things up for other users
My past was a reaction to a LOT of vitriolic anti-sync posts and comments. They're all over and they're baffling
I do see a lot of people caring a lot about whether you are using sync or not.
Infinity was a reddit app first, too.
I just installed Sync after browsing with Jerboa for the past month. Sync has such a clean, smooth look that if it functions even remotely consistently it'll be my new replacement.
Check out all the UI options. The customization is really awesome, even if it's a little confusing at times. The search box in options helps.
Fun fact, me and Clarkson are both from Donny:
I used sync for reddit for years, I had no ads in the free version and the pro version. I've tried a half dozen apps for Lemmy since my Reddexit. Sync for Lemmy is far and away the best. I really missed its design. I was happy to toss $20 to you for no ads on Sync for Lemmy. Thanks for all the hard work.
I drove through it once, looked rough as shit.
Good job you didn't stop
Nice, I have family in Nottinghamshire.
Also, is your .ml or .world your main instance? The .world seems to have the biggest audience
.world is
Imagine Apollo for Lemmy 😮💨
i'm using memmy (iOs) ! works very good, and it feels nostalgic since they tried their best to... be inspired by apollo 😄
I love Memmy for Lemmy!
Hopefully the dev changes his mind about not creating an app for lemmy
How about instead we respect everyone's decisions and preferences? Free as in freedom, is that not what the Open Source community is about?
That's how I've always read this meme format. It literally says the non-preferred option is still brilliant.
Sure, but when people are excited about something, they're going to trash-talk. It's healthy to have the freedom of debate these choices.
Anyone can choose to install whatever software they choose on their device, but the "free" in free software specifically refers to the freedom to read and modify the source code.
Under the philosophy of the FOSS movement, all proprietary software are by definition unethical.
Since Lemmy and the larger fediverse is the choice for many free software advocates, it's natural that you see this kind of backlash when fundamentally unethical software to interact with it is released.
Does this meme make you feel disrespected? Why?
Why can't I just use the service that has a design I like?
I wouldn't have used reddit if it wasn't for sync and that same logic applies to lemmy. Adoption is critical for lemmy to succeed so please tone it down a bit, unless having the same 2 dozen people in your community was your personal appealing feature of lemmy.
Yep. Incentives align differently for different people, which is what makes a healthy market work.
You can
Don't worry, this type of "drama" is only serving to make the community larger in the long run.
Y'all gotta stop shitting on non-FOSS Lemmy apps.
Lemmy is Lemmy, let people access the platform how they want to. It doesn't affect you. Don't use Sync if you don't want to.
I have always preferred Infinity when I was using Reddit. But right now Infinity for Lemmy seems to be not in a usable state. I have been using Thunder For Lemmy as of recently, not sure if I will switch from it to Infinity for Lemmy once its in a more usable state.
Edit: I can't even use Sync for Lemmy as on the Play Store it says its unavailable on my device. I have a Samsung Galaxy s23 Ultra. One would think that it would be available considering its pretty much this years flagship of the largest Android brand.
Edit 2: It seems to not be because of the device itself @[email protected] seems to have been able to download it on their s23 Ultra.
Edit 3: It was because of Age Verification. I can now download it fine.
It is very much in alpha stage now,but usable for me.
I also face the same issue with play store, I ended up using Aurora store(fdroid) to download the app.
Strange, I have a Galaxy S23 Ultra and I had no issues installing it.
Hmm. Then I am not sure. @[email protected] seems to also be facing the same problems as me. I don't think its a locality issue as I am in the US, unless for whatever reason that is the issue.
was using Thunder the past couple of weeks, because I couldn"t get warm with Jerboa, but once I saw Infinity comming out, I immediately downloaded it and haven't had problems since
Lemmy is fun is what I want
Give me Relay for Lemmy lol.
I'm a big Boost guy myself. Pretty excited for when it is done!
Upvoted on infinity
Liftoff is where its at
Amen.
You guys are using apps?
-posted from my browser
Posted from my browser which is technically an app...
I like how the Fediverse doesn't pull that bullshit. I've been on the internet since the days of dialup and the "appification" of websites is such obvious garbage. Like sure, I want to run a program coded by McDonalds on my pocket computer, that sounds legit.
Speak for yourself, but Infinity really isn't as well made as Sync. I'd rather pay one time for a quality experience and support the developer. Also, no ads in the paid version.
Fuck yeah baby. Infinity ftw!
Sauce if you don't have it: https://codeberg.org/Bazsalanszky/Infinity-For-Lemmy
Oh my fucking God, thank you! I feel like home again
Am I blind or is there no APK? I need to get on the computer and build this?
You can download an apk from the releases page.
I've been jumping around trying 4-5 clients since the Reddit Exodus and all of them had some really anything bug. Voyager is the one that in my opinion is the best one feature and stability wise. However, voyager if giving me one big headache in the form of going totally black if I swap over to fx read an email. I don't care if you're my Firefox needing things up. I'm not going to opt in even more in Google Surveillance just because Voyager is open source.
Sync for Reddit was my whole Reddit experience for the last 7-8 years. I think I tried a majority of the clients and Sync totally wiped the floor with the other clients in my opinion. Both in new features and stability.
I use Windows and several dists on a daily basis. I have an Android phone and I truly like the philosophy behind open source... With that said.... Competition is great. We'll see what Sync for Lemmy can bring to the table. If it is as good as sync for Reddit was the other clients have to shape up and it's us, the users, that will benefit.
This message was created with Sync for Lemmy.
I'm pretty happy with Jerboa but I'm waiting for RedReader to add Lemmy support.
I bought Sync Pro for Reddit, and I'll do the same for Lemmy. Open-source can suck a butt, I'm willing to pay for a well made app
Edit: lmao the replies! To be clear, I am not talking shit on open source software, the "open source can go suck a butt" comment was in reference to taking the time to get used to a new app when I don't have to 😝 Go touch grass. Sync treated me well, I'm willing to pay the creator to have that same experience on Lemmy. That's it. Stop being defensive, go for a walk.
Why people insulting them just for this comment? Open-source fanatics are real.
Probably because of
Open-source can suck a butt
They then edited and said they're not taking a shit on open source software, in direct contradiction to what they said before. It shouldn't be a surprise that people didn't like it. Also, "touch grass" is a really stupid phrase since most people browse the internet on their phones and can just as easily be outside sitting in grass as anywhere else.
People that diss open source are dumbass dipshits. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Open source software runs most of the Internet and this social media platform. It has provide more value to every one of us than any closed source retail software ever could.
I'm sorry to say, but you seem to be clueless in the world of software engineering. Open vs closed source does not make any software better or worse. This solely depends on the talent and will of the developers to create a good app for you. That can happen in both worlds, but just because an app is not open source doesn't make it better in any ways. Rethink it. Sync might be a nice client, but you're dependent on this one dev to always deliver a good experience and keep updating, whereas if it was open source,you could be sure someone would continue the work and help fix some issues if anything was to happen. Open source has a lot of potential. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking it's worse in any way. It's not.
Theres often times I come across an open source product that beats the shit out of the closed source alternatives too
All your closed source software runs on open source libraries dipshit.
doesn't seem like I can get it on the playstore (infinity for lemmy, I mean)
Liftoff is pretty good!
It's in pre release testing. You can find links in comments
You have to side load infinity.
Infinity was my fav for Reddit, def would love to try a Lemmy alternative
Ok now I see the reason for the post, why I didn't see this before?
The only one thing that I missed from reddit was Infinity, now I feel complete.
Thanks! I'll prob wait till a non-early access version releases, pretty happy with Voyager for now
Tried Sync today, it's fancy in terms of design and customization; I can see the appeal. But I think I'll stick with Connect because it's straight forward and easy to use out of the box.
I think for me, I've used sync for reddit since like '15. So coming to lemmy with sync... Its like coming home. I've tried connect and liftoff though, and like both.
After using Sync for so long and having it set up just so other apps feel janky, through no fault of their own. I have it set up very information dense with amoled dark theme and colorful comment indents. I could kind of look over theme issues, but the interaction just felt off.
Connect was what I was using, though, and I preferred it over wefwef/Voyager which had a less wasteful feeling UI to me.
Is Infinity fully compatible with foldables and tablets? Sync even has tabs for open posts (like a browser) when it's opened in tablet mode
Infinity works well on tablets, it has a split view
I am using both, Sync feels more polished for now.
im on infinity for the first time rn and this is the second post i see lol
i had been using infinity for reddit for a few years before... the incident... it is absolutely the best
Liftoff is opensource
I considered sync, but Liftoff does everything I need it to do for now, and it's nice enough to use. So, imma stay with Liftoff
Picked up Jerboa when I made the switch to Lemmy. Now I won't be returning to Sync. No way in hell I'm paying a subscription.
As a Jerboa user who just started using Sync, I can honestly say it's really fucking slick. Like really slick.
He's said there's plans for a lifetime option in the future. So just be the same as having Sync Pro.
Sync already feels far more polished than jerboa or connect in my opinion.
The one time pay to remove ads was released on the recent beta
Felt the the same, but now with the one time pay to remove ads I am back using Sync
Try Connect for lemmy or voyager. imho both opretty good, better than jeroba
Connect is way better than Jerboa.
Lmao the scrolling in Jerboa is so fucking disgusting
I love Sync's theming and looks but Infinity for Lemmy is also looking promising.
Thunder is the best one that's open-source
No that would be Infinity for Lemmy
Yeah, tried sync since that was my reddit app of choice but the ads and tracking just forced me to uninstall it. Trying thunder now and it seems pretty good
Sync's ads can be turned off by paying a small fee.
There's no tracking in Sync
Oh, my bad. I just saw this on the play store and figured it did.
Boost supremacy
Is it available?
Currently in development. Using Voyager until it's released
Infinity won't let me log in. So far I'm really liking Sync. And I'm completely fine with a subscription at it's current price. I'm happy to support devs. 8 don't like working for free. Not sure why they should have to. And so it's either ads or subscriptions. Pick your poison.
And so it’s either ads or subscriptions. Pick your poison.
Please think really hard for a moment and try to consider whether there are more ways to purchase something than by subscription or ad support.
One time payments would be great, but the devs make a lot more from subscriptions. You don't see services like Netflix or Hulu offering one time payments options. As a consumer, I love it, but the devs might not be able to sustain the app from that model. I'd be interested if you have any other ideas though.
Yes the app is really well made
Infinty supports Lemmy now?
Yes, it's a different app but it work as well
nice definitely gonna try that out.
It's a fork [email protected].
I like jerboa, but I love infinity.
This is a game changer. Infinity FTW
Is it on Android. Do you have a link?
I like Liftoff.
It's comfy and easy to use.
Is infinity for lemmy ready for install? I don't see it in the playstore or any apk for the tagged versions.
You can use obtainium to keep it up to date
Using it RN , looks good , tho thunder and liftoff are still better !
I am liking most apps in some way. I keep switching between many. And also each of the apps are in active development. Currenly using: Summit, Thunder, Liftoff, Sync, Voyager.
I guess Voyager is also planning for a native app for both Android and iOS
Excited for all.
Thunder! I run the ipa sideloaded. Gets weekly or so updates, very active development.
you know, you can block ads on Android. add as many trackers as you want, NextDNS will just sinkhole them 🤷♂️ it works just like PiHole. Adguard is good too. no need for any subscription.
I'm using Connect, Sync and Infinity. Sync is the most polished but Connect is very close. Connect let's you post as well as reply whereas Sync and Infinity only let you reply.
Connect is very good, the only thing I don't like is how to handle the hiding read posts, I like more how Voyager, Summit and Sync do it.
I'm too lazy to check, but I swear I turned on the setting for that in connect. Doesn't seem to work though so moot point I guess
laughs in Connect
Idk connect has had a lot of bugs.
Things seem mostly ok now but there are some UI/UX features that still need some work imo
I'll wait on sync until infinity for lemmy becomes usable, but yeah, infinity better
How? I've been using sync for Reddit for so long I never tried some of the other ones like body or infinity. I actually had no idea it was open source either
I haven't had a problem using it yet.
Interesting. I haven't come across any ads yet.
I see an empty card for ads, I thought my adblockers blocked the actual content of the ads.
I see that too but it's still empty without any ad blockers, at least for now.
Edit: the ads are there now lol
Do you have adguard or pihole or another DNS blocker? If so, I don't think you'll see ads. At least not yet.
Nope, nothing like that.
Imma stick with Jerboa. Their gradual improvement is amazing!
Infinity for Lemmy was developed?
Mr Bazsalanszky forked it and is being developed now
https://codeberg.org/Bazsalanszky/Infinity-For-Lemmy/releases
Oh thanks. I like Infinity I'll follow it.
Also this
Thank you! Just installed the APK. I was a sync pro user but the way the dev is handling Lemmy is disappointing with the ads, tracking and subscription only.
Is it real? Is it maintained by the same developer as Infinity For Reddit?
Yes. And no.
it’s just a fork.
I've tried all the clients that I could get my hands on and Voyager (vger.app) is what I've settled on. Awesome UI, lightweight web app, frequent updates.
Open source you say 🥺
Huh. Had never heard of Infinity.
Summit has gotten really good too, and has infinite scrolling and edge-to-edge display.
I don't really get the drive towards Sync. Sure, it's familiar, but lots of better options out there.
Hard disagree, every other Lemmy app feels sloppy and doesn't work half the time. Sync ftw
I agree. Having tried almost all lemmy apps on Android, my favorite so far are Summit and Sync.
Just waiting for inbox support to be released to use it as my daily (already implemented, just needs an apk built).
Yes me too, also I feel infinity is bit slow to display all the posts, hopefully fill be fixed soon
It will. There has been a commit with a more experimental loading system, but apparently it isn't completely ready yet and breaks images.
Used infinity for Reddit but jerboa works pretty well here I think
Infinity >
if i am not wrong, it is google ads that does all the tracking, so once you get the adfree version, tracking doesn't happen
I'm pretty happy with connect for lemmy
IS sync not open source?
It is not.
Why would anyone use it then?
Me but thunder
Can you remove the nav drawer on Infinity? My fav part about sync is how reachable it's UI is with the bottom-centric nav menus.
where the fuck is infinity for lemmy