My views fall mainly under progressive, between liberal and far-left. I believe we should cap wealth at a billion dollars, and use the surplus capital for alternative energy infrastructure.
That’s far too progressive for liberals, yet I’m not on board with the “burn it all down and let a socialist utopia rise from the ashes” perspective of the far-left.
There are plenty of people on the left that hold non-centrist views, who would also not be considered far-left.
There is no "burn it all down and let a Socialist utopia rise from the ashes" perspective on the far-left, and I say that as a Marxist. Anarchists wish to build a new society out of the shell of the old, from within, while Marxists advocate building up dual power. In neither case do leftists believe in rising from "ashes," but building up and replacing the current system.
too many misunderstand anarchy to be about destroying structures that exist. many of them are doing a pretty good job of that to themselves already, and the ones that are left would rather slaughter us than disarm. it's the final throes of a dying beast. too dangerous to throw more lives at, but nature will run its course eventually.
so we (anarchists) instead create structure to survive where we are, with the goal of directly helping people help each other, aiming to grow past existing power structures. it has been surprisingly possible to do a lot of praxis without even firebombing a second Chipotle
“burn it all down and let a socialist utopia rise from the ashes” perspective of the far-left.
Yeah, I haven't really been able to make sense of all the tailism and accelerationism happening on .ml and hexbear. I don't know how we've gotten to the point where stanning a bunch of right winged authoritarian countries is a form of anti-imperialism.
Unlike anarchists, MLs don't really have a practical plan to get from the here and now to their socialist utopia. All they can do is wait for the collapse of the current society and hope that the subsequent radicalization will lead to them being the vanguard. However aside from the fact that vanguardism (and as an extension, ML) has been an abject failure, they can't cause that collapse, so they do accelerationism instead.
The only rational approach to change this world is anarchist prefiguration which is the opposite of "burn it all down".
My main take on Tankies is that they're sort of stealth right-wingers.
They believe that the way to communism is through a strongman dictator who will enforce the communism from the top.
If you sub out communism for "social hierarchies" then you have the right-wing wet dream. Because Tankies worship Lenin, the man who betrayed the revolution to seize power after he lost an election. It was the first and last free election in Russia, and Lenin ignored the results because he lost. Then he spent the rest of his life pretending that an authoritarian dictatorship could ever be communist.
No, true communism needs to come from the people. Extreme democracy is the way.
How did you come up with 1 billion dollars as the cap? You know that's an absolutely absurd amount of money right?
i’d much rather be arguing about what the cap should be than be arguing if there should even be a cap
I chose it arbitrarily. Specifically, I think we should look at historical economic trends, admit that Trickle-Down/Voodoo/Horse and Sparrow economics yielded inequality, redistribute the surplus, and implement equitable economic policies.
I’m much more of a “be the dandelions cracking through the pavement” far left than a “burn it down” type
That’s far too progressive for liberals, yet I’m not on board with the “burn it all down and let a socialist utopia rise from the ashes” perspective of the far-left.
I don't know how you combat climate change if you refuse to touch the existing fossil fuel infrastructure.
I don't know how you address mass incarceration if you won't dismantle these massive organizations designed to surveil, arrest, and extort poor and homeless people at the scale we operate.
I don't know how you address greedflation and wage theft on a national scale if you don't touch the banking system, you leave in place these huge wage disparities, and you permit privatized industry to control all our critical natural resources.
When we talk about this kind of institution going away, we're talking about creative destruction. Clear space for Green Energy. Establish real civil rights and social justice, rather than a trillion dollar pack of mall cops guarding the richest people's property. Build an economy that allows public collaboration rather than industrial rent seeking.
That's not even utopian. It's just a step forward from capitalism.
Yea, whether the Lefty be Marxist, Anarchist, etc. no Lefty I have met has shied away from that label. Fascists love veiling themselves, however.
I will hide the fact I'm a leftist when speaking to someone about leftist beliefs. That word has become such a dirty word in the media that you can see people shut down when you lead with that.
Which is weird, because I'll regularly see two liberals screaming "Tankie!" at one another absolutely credulously
Fair, lol. Liberals learning the word "tankie" has been quite silly.
Lefties usually want to eat the rich... not many people are considered rich. They want to give.
Nazis/Altright want to have slaves to fuck/kill/exploit. They want to take. Just look at the child fucking Trump.
bitch I'm far ting
but are you the shit tho?
Bröther I'm far king exhausted I need a nap.
I'm personally an Anarcho-Syndicalist so yes :3
I'm always hesitant to use that label because to the average American I'm far left, but to the average leftist I'm a moderate.
It's like it's relative to an ever moving goal post.
Would extremists even be able to identify the people in the middle?
Republicans describing Democrats as "far left extremists" suggests not.
depends on they actually believe it or if it's a convenient lie that fits their narrative. I think it's both, so yeah, what you said.
From what I've seen, leftists can. There hasn't been a visibly strong far-left movement in the US for a while though, so most people think people just slightly left of the democrats are far-left —and the media is partially responsible for this representation.
There is a large difference between moderates, regular republican voters, and vocal neo-nazis. I think the left side is probably slightly more blurry, because it's largely down to what methods you agree are appropriate, while largely the end goals desired are similar.
I know it wouldn’t work with the format, but fml I cannot upvote because they are the wrong way around
It's just a meme, but is it right to call oneself that in your opinion?
Two sides of the same coffin
Except this last election cycle American leftists actually said "I'm far left and everyone else is a nazi." Nobody was left enough for the left, even other leftists.
Where did you see this happening? Could you give an example?
Funny, as the far left of the USA ist Just one step away from right-wing, overton window ist strong...
