Firefox works great.
download firefox
look inside
80% of mozilla revenue is from google
You can't escape
You can't escape
You can change the default search provider, so you actually can escape.
Nah
There are two browsers, chrome and FF.
It feels very weird to say but
I think maybe
the world was better when Trident existed??
SILENCE THIS HERETIC!
What?
Safari
> downloads desktop app
> looks inside
> it's a webpage with a dedicated browser
(Web 2.0 and it's consequences...)
Why even make a desktop app at this point? I get doing that if it has some inherent advantage over the web version, but why go through the trouble of making another program if it's just gonna be the same but in electron?
Think of all that lovely data and tracking you can slurp up when unconstrained by the browser sandbox.
A few advantages.
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You can make app specific notifications.
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You can stop worrying about security since you just lock the electron version
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The user thinks it is an actual app and that this is better.
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Example with Discord (a website and an electron app): You have to download the desktop app to have stuff like: game activity (show others what game you are playing), global hotkeys for stuff like muting microphone, local Krisp noise cancellation
Why I dislike web apps. They make the devs lazy enough to not bother making a native app
I switched to Firefox because of Googlea plans to stop adblockers.
I still prefer FF or Vivaldi over Google Chrome. Yes Vivaldi is Open Source Chromium, but at least it doesn't have the Chrome crap in it.
Vivaldi contains Chromium, but it isn't itself open-source, by the way.
They say of themselves that "for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit". I would not fully agree with that either, but I guess, at that point the open-source purists have already lost interest anyways.
https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/
Is there a mobile Vivaldi counterpart? It doesn't make sense for me that I can't share history with desktop and mobile together
There is, but on iPhone at least it sucks. I love Vivaldi on desktop - every time I try something else I quickly give up. But on mobile I can’t endorse it at the moment.
Perhaps it’s better on Android though, I don’t know.
I tried Vivaldi, it's a good browser but I prefer Brave because it has build it Tor. In my country most torrent sites are blocked so a built-in Tor is useful to me, it can open those sites without VPN.
download Librewolf
Look inside
It's Firefox but with good defaults and configs
:3
My opinion I'd say lose chrome if you absolutely need a chromium browser use thorium any other time use Firefox or a fork of it like Librewolf.
The reason I say Thorium is because this is in the readme.
Manifest V2 support force enabled (Starting in M128 they are experimenting with disabling MV2). It will be completely removed in M136 (10 months from now), and when they finally do remove the actual code for loading MV2 extensions, it will be restored, because F**k Google! Even if it takes a crapload of work, I am determined to restore it, because without UBlock Origin working properly in Thorium, I wouldn't even want to use my own browser!Mozilla Corp's Gecko Engine has allowed several non-corporate flavored browsers into existence, such as various forks on their github or Waterfox.
Then if you dont mind slow speeds you can try Tor Browser.
"guys ios is bad try android"
looks inside android: its literally bad
"guys try this fork of android"
looks inside: it's better, i guess.
technology fucking sucks, remember when you could just buy software and that shit worked? Yeah me neither i use linux shits free over here.
Firefox and Forks, or perish.
What's preventing me, a private user, from just creating my own web browser? it's a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites' server and display its files right? You can't tell me that nobody else has ever wanted to make their own alternative, so why do we never hear about them?
It's possible. But it's a huge undertaking. If you just wanted to fully understand all of the specifications for HTTP, JavaScript and CSS, it'd take you days before having written a single line of code.
Then you need to write all that in a performant way.
Then you need to keep up with all the new features.
Then you need to keep up with all the new security threats.
Browsers nowadays are practically little operating systems. So the question is not that far off from asking what prevents you from writing an alternative to Windows.
You can. But it'll cost millions, or maybe billions, to build something good.
Probably the fact that you could work for the rest of your life and never catch up to the current spec. It's enormous, and they're adding more things faster than you could ever keep up with.
Even MS couldn't be bothered any more, and that's a $3 trillion business.
Which is why there's only three browser engines in any kind of use.
Well ladybird might be somewhat usable in many years...
Because they're giant applications that do a lot under the hood that you don't see. Of course you can write your own, we did that during my degree but it was extremely basic.
a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right?
In software engineering "just" is often considered a dirty word.
Rendering HTML and CSS correctly is not trivial.
Doing JavaScript to spec also is not trivial.
Doing all your http verb network request stuff is also not trivial.
Plus the interface (probably graphical) is a lot of work.
There's also probably a thousand other things that would eat up time. Displaying all the different image formats, for example.
Time and knowledge. Browsers are basically almost an OS nowadays in capabilities. Yes you can build a basic HTML renderer quickly. But anything beyond that just takes a enormous amount of effort and time especially if you want to make it performant and secure. Like it’s very easy to accidentally introduce a vulnerability that can be exploited by someone. Like the last few generations of Nintendo consoles were hacked and jailbroken trough the browser. And that’s a browser build with WebKit by a team of engineers. Good luck doing it on your own, especially without Chromium or WebKit.
The main thing is technical nuances, and a never ending list of them.
But you could start with something like lynx or elinks, but at that point you may as well just use lynx or elinks.
there are a few projects right now working to accomplish this, servo, and ladybug/ladybird cant for the life of me remember it.
That's what Ladybird is trying to do.
Plenty of alternative to Chromium already exist, not all good.
thorium/vivaldi and firefox are cool
Vivaldi is chromium
Yep
If you're not a fan of Firefox right now, with the few odd decisions they've been making, try Floorp or Zen. They're quite good forks of Firefox and don't seem to have any of the recent Firefox oddness in them.
Someone mentioned Zen on the endeavor forums the other day. I've switched to Zen Optimized as my daily driver and I've been pleasantly surprised by how much I like it. I'm not a keyboard shortcuts kinda guy but you do need to learn the tab manipulation shortcuts or it'll drain your sanity right clicking on the icons to close tabs.
Firefox/Librefix, Vivaldi, Floorp
So Firefox, Chromium, or closed-source components...
Basicallly, yeah. It's unfortunate, but there are really only 2 engines left -- Blink and Gecko -- (WebKit exists, but it's almost exclusively used on Apple hardware. The days are gone when everyone had an engine and you could bounce around easily. I'm personally on Firefox main, but I keep Floorp around for backup.
is there a way to force dark mode like in chromium? #enable-force-dark has been a life saver for me. I have a TBI and white screens are physically painful. I keep trying to go back to FireFox, but none of the darkmode addons seem to have this kind of always on, no exceptions kind of feature
So, you haven't used the "Dark Reader" extension on Firefox. It has "automatic", "scheduled", "system default" options. Also you can disable or enable dark mode for specific websites.
I don't need the ability to disable I need it to be always on no matter what. This is exactly the extention I was complaining about. This one doesnt work on extentions.firefox.org
It needs overrides, because it regularly colors text inputs dark gray with black text. I have to turn it off for Salesforce, which has no native dark mode, when ideally I would just override the background color for text boxes...
The worst part about light sensitivity and dark mode is that the closer you get to 100% dark mode coverage, without actually reaching 100%, the more painful and jarring every exception is.
Dark Reader can do this, though it requires a little bit of tinkering. First you need to tick "Enable on restricted pages" in the Advanced section of Dark Readers settings (in the old design the settings can be found under "More > All Settings"). Then in about:config, all entries in
extensions.webextensions.restrictedDomainsneed to be removed andprivacy.resistFingerprinting.block_mozAddonManagerneeds to be set to "true". If some of this doesn't work, there's also a GitHub Discussion with different solutions, but what I wrote here should do the trick.i have the same issue you have, bright screens are the worst (i hated visiting wikipedia). try this addon in firefox. instead of messing with the colors and the contrast of the page, it rather puts an dark overlay over the entire page, reducing the brightness and preserving the look.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dark-mode-screen/
Well... I know it's chromium, but I have to admit Vivaldi is easily my favorite browser. It's got a bunch of fairly unique features that I just can't live without. It's got tabs within tabs, tab tiling, a whole side car for websites that you can display while working on whatever Web page you need (works great for social media, music, messaging). I don't have a link, but maybe worth checking it out.
tabs within tabs
I use the Firefox "Tab Groups" Extension to get a similar result and I have to agree, it is so nice to keep order
I prefer the Firefox "Tab Groups" Feature actually because I feel it's more comfortable / has a more clear separation AND:
It automatically freezes tabs and integrates with containers (kind of like browser profiles on Chromium but in the same Window)
Fair enough. I'm relatively sure that Vivaldi does the same freezing, however I haven't seen documentation around it and I'm too lazy to look it up. I can say that tabs that haven't been used in a while reload entirely when you switch to them.
But I do like Firefox's privacy. Limiting cookies to only cookies from that website is a nice touch.
Help an overworked guy with no time to research out - where’s Safari sit in all this
Chrome branched off of Webkit, the core of Safari. Certain parts are distantly related, but the browsers are managed and developed separately. Most chrome forks are much closer to the original project and don't do significant on the browser, just maintain some small patches and customize the branding.
Haha good meme op
Qutebrowser and (maybe, haven't tried) Falkon can use qtwebkit as a backend
luakit, surf, otter, epiphany, badwolf, vimb use gtkwebkit
lynx, links, elinks, w3m, netsurf use their own browser engines
there's also 😒 f*refox 😒 and its forks, if you need cancer like css, js, webrtc, or wasm
cancer like css and js
what kind of websites are you visiting that don't use either of those?
Likely some old web tier stuff...
I can understand the objections to wasm and even JS, but CSS? c’mon bro…
But what about mobile? I started using FF and I have to admit that Chrome is a better mobile experience. Brave isn't for me either.
Edit: lol I'm sorry my experience doesn't match yours and I chose to ask a question.
Mull is great on Android.
The Reddit hive mind behaviour is seeping through the cracks.
For me personally, the experience is allowed to take a hit, hell even a major hit, if the browser respects me as a user. FF seems to be better on that front although I'll confess I use Vanadium on my phone. Its GrapheneOS' default browser.
"Everyone that doesn't share my specific preferences is a sheep (╯° □°） ╯"
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I want to get more points in speedometer 3 using firefox. I've seen results above 20-24, but I can't get more than 12 because js takes a long time to process. What to do? Rebuild firefox with the -0fast flag??
Any suggestions are welcome
