what's up with the ToS changes regarding the vegan community?

The long and short of it is, One of the lemmy.world admins demoted a mod of the vegan community over a comment about how cat can be fed a 100% vegan diet with supplements and the cat will be fine.

What an asshole vegan. How stupid can you be to say you love animals and say something as dumb as this
- I once gave a vegan friend of mine pause for thought when I pointed out that we probably shouldn't be keeping pets in the first place if those pets aren't in their natural habitat doing what their species evolved to do. They had cats.
- My bias is minimal; I don't practice veganism for myself of my pets.
  
  I think your opinion is completely ignorant. While there isn't clear scientific evidence that conclude a vegan cat diet is better, there is isn't clear scientific evidence to conclude it is inately worse. So, is your opinion based in reality or your intuition?
  
  "However, there is little evidence of adverse effects arising in dogs and cats on vegan diets."
  
  Domínguez-Oliva, Adriana, et al. "The Impact of Vegan Diets on Indicators of Health in Dogs and Cats: A Systematic Review." Veterinary Sciences, vol. 10, no. 1, Jan. 2023, p. NA. Gale Academic OneFile, dx.doi.org/10.3390/vetsci10010052. Accessed 29 Aug. 2024.
  
  Naturally, organizations such as the ASPCA tend toward caution and advise against vegan diets, but your statement reaches far beyond that point.
  
  Edit: I recognize my comment is a bit condescending. I do not mean to discourage discussion. I am genuinely curious and encourage your feedback. Please let me know if I'm missing something important here.
- what's wrong with it?
Wtf is happening in the comments. Why are people getting so insane over this topic over and over again? If there's cat food out there that's nutritional complete, cats like it, and it happens to be plant based - so what? The only two reasons to object are if someone is 100% convinced such a product doesn't and cannot exist or if they're entirely ideological about it. And if we have to apply the naturalistic fallacy that only the natural way can be morally okay, why of all things argue about pet food? I really, really don't get it why people get so intensely emotional about it.
- If there's cat food out there that's nutritional complete, cats like it, and it happens to be plant based - so what?
  
  Because the vegan cat food that claims to be nutritionally complete isn't. Whenever these brands have their products studied they turn out to not be nutritionally complete. Feeding them to a cat is abuse.
- If only this was readily researchable....
  
  But yeah, animal cruelty gets people het up. This is the internet, don't fuck with cats
- Maybe no one in the history of the internet has argued about this and it's just time for people to duke it out. I thought everything was settled about cats by now, but maybe not.
okay, thanks. fairrr
Good

Vegans do a better job of pissing everyone off about a pretty sensible topic than any community I’ve ever seen

their vitriol is...weird. if they just said "i prefer..." not many would be bothered.

"you're a murderer." does tend to ruffle feathers.
- Forreal, longtime vegan here.... Vegans (online mostly) annoy me more than most people. I swear we aren't all jerks! I'm probably a major sell out, I don't even have a problem with hunters.
- Almost like ruffling feathers is the point when you truly believe most people are being murderers. You don't change society by being polite.
- A lot of us are murderers in that way. Or accomplices, whatever. The thing about vegans specifically is that there's not any moral need for it. The goodness to animals would make you vegetarian. Not having cheese or eggs is not the slightest bit morally better.
It's because they don't actually give a shit about animals, they just want to feel morally superior.

Same as anyone wanting to ban x, y, or z "for the children".

Same as people who want to stop using a perfectly good term because they think it might be offensive to such-and-such group, despite never actually consulting any members of such-and-such group.
- This is an absurd take. Vegans have to sacrifice a lot. I absolutely love animals and it's insane to me that someone can't see the amount of torture and murder of animals there is out there.
  
  I decided to cut out, as much as is reasonably possible, anything that was made by or is these animals. I don't do this because I want to feel superior, I do it for the animals. Most vegans don't do this for attention. Just because you see some vegans shouting online doesn't mean we're all like that.

Based on the post they were spreading misinformation and being really unsightly, calling not vegans things akin to slurs like "meaties" or some shit. I don't know the full story though.

Vegans have hilarious nicknames, they seem to spend quite a bit of time on it
- My favorite is "carnist", make me feel like a dinosaur.
okay, thanks
I think they use Carnist. Something ive definitely never heard anyone say in person.
Is "meatie" or "carnist" really a slur though? Those seem benign at worst and mildly accurate at best. Who is throwing a fit over that?

"No no, you have to protect the feelings of "meat eaters" and "carnivores" by using the full word." ??? Like.. why is this the hill people die on?

I agree that feeding a cat a vegan or vegetarian diet is still animal abuse, though. They're not omnivores like us. They're obligate carnivores, and pretending they're not is abusive.
- I did say akin to slurs, it's not a slur no, it's more comical than anything lol
They're still doing it, being That Arsehole in other threads as well. Baity troll either terminally online or fifteen.

Vegan 2.0 was released recently and the attention it received led to a private equity buyout. Vegan® is now a trademark term and you need that ® or it's in violation. I hear they are about to release a line of fake-vegan® meat for people who want to look vegan but like the taste of cow.

Vegan As A Service, coming soon
Sometimes I'd like to see civilization collapse just so I can watch the smug ones starve when they refuse to hunt or fish when there's not enough vegetables to survive on. Not so high and might when survival is on the line, are you, Jerry.

Is eating lab grown meat vegan?

Not yet. Growing cells in a lab still requires fetal bovine serum which is obviously an animal product. There is work going into replacing it with a synthetic alternative but, to my knowledge, noone has been successful yet.
- Thanks for the informed reply.
- You seem knowledgeable, is the FBS clonal? Like can it grow more undifferentiated or does it need to be continually harvested?
- fetal bovine serum
  
  That sounds awful. :( Hurry up, science!
Depends who you ask:

some would say that it's vegan as long as no animal has suffered or been deprived for your meal, meaning that lab grown qualifies.

Others, such as the crazies in the vegan circle jerk community, believe that as long as it's ever been in the same zip code as a leather belt, it can never be vegan.

That last one is exaggerated, of course, but nowhere near as much as you'd hope..
"a person who does not eat any food derived from animals and who typically does not use other animal products".

not by that definition
- Very few can say that they truly exist without ANY trace of animal products in their lives.

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I couldn't appreciate the visual sea lion anymore.What is gish galloping, which I would also appreciate a visual reference for if available.
- Gish galloping is talking over the person you're arguing with to tire them out and / or interrupt them
  
  Commenting with long text walls asking someone to refute this or that or respond to a series of questions is usually the online equivalent of that
  
  You ever see those comment chains with vеgаns constantly responding to someone until the person they're responding to gives up, that can be considered Gish-galloping
  
  Obviously with online comments you can't talk while another person is talking