Freed Israeli captive Noa Argamani says she was wounded by Israel, not Hamas
Freed Israeli captive Noa Argamani says she was wounded by Israel, not Hamas
Argamani denies reports that Palestinian fighters shaved her head and beat her during captivity, saying her injuries resulted from an Israeli strike
Noa Argamani, an Israeli woman freed from Hamas captivity in Gaza in June, said on Friday that her injuries were caused by an Israeli air strike during her rescue operation, not by a Hamas attack.
Speaking to diplomats from G7 countries in Tokyo on Wednesday, Argamani detailed her ordeal after she was taken captive by Palestinian armed groups during the 7 October attack. However, two days later, she issued a statement on Instagram, saying that some of her remarks had been misquoted and taken out of context.
Contrary to some Israeli media reports, Argamani clarified that she was not beaten or had her hair shaved by Palestinian fighters.
"[Hamas members] did not hit me while I was in captivity, nor did they cut my hair; I was injured by the collapse of a wall caused by an [Israeli] Air Force pilot," she added.
Obviously....
Someone was posting literal propaganda the other day (MBFC legit outright said it was a propaganda source) that said hostages had bullet fragments "in and near" them. Then jumped to the conclusion that Hamas shot them immediately before the raid because they knew IDF was mighty and strong or some shit.
Israel has been showing us for almost a year they dont give a single fuck about the hostages, they were always sacrificial lambs. An excuse to flatten the area they were being held so Israel can then move more rightwing Jewish extremists in.
I wouldn’t rely on MBFC to recognize propaganda. Look at the difference between VOA news and Al Jazera.
Fun fact, they’re both government rags. VOA was legally barred from broadcasting where Americans might hear it because it was propaganda. Al Jazera is operated by Qatar.
In any case, Israel has been full of shit since this began. And Americans have bought that hook line and sinker.
Clearly, this woman is Hamas. /s
More seriously though, Hamas not mistreating her beyond the initial act of kidnapping makes sense. The entire purpose of taking hostages is to use the threat of harm as leverage. So there's incentive to keep them in relatively good condition, because as soon as anything happens to them that leverage is lost. Of course, people don't always remember that, and the whole thing relies on all parties involved at least pretending to act in good faith.
Any idea why Hamas doesn't execute hostages? Not to sound callous or anything. Just curious if you know if their religion forbids it or something
That would defeat the whole point of taking hostages in the first place.
Seems they didn't count on Israel being willing to kill hostages.
A Hamas guard who killed an Israeli hostage acted "in revenge" and against instructions after he heard news that his two children had been killed in an Israeli strike, a spokesperson for the group's armed wing said on Thursday.
"The (Hamas) soldier assigned as a guard acted in a retaliatory manner, against instructions, after he received information that his two children were martyred in one of the massacres conducted by the enemy," Abu Ubaida said on Telegram.
"The incident doesn't represent our ethics and the instructions of our religion in dealing with captives. We will reinforce the instructions," he added.
If they wanted to kill the hostages, they would have just killed them instead of taking them hostage. The whole point of a hostage is that it increases your power at the negotiating table. It gives you leverage. The hostage is something to trade in exchange for concessions, or the threat of harm to force the opponent’s cooperation. Neither of those work if the hostage has been killed or harmed, because any bargaining power you would have had from holding them goes right out the window as soon as the hostage is killed.
Because they aren't AQ. They're actually looking to negotiate things.
oh no she will probably get fired from her job for saying that
So how many hostages is this that have said Hamas treated them well, it was Israel that hurt them? Because I can think of at least 2 others.
It’s great that she sets the record straight but I didn’t see anything in the article about her saying she was treated well. And I wouldn’t say being held hostage is ever being treated well. I would like to know how she was treated though, as it can’t be easy to “take care” of a hostage in the very dire situation right now in all of Gaza, even if you wanted to.
None of that is to say Israel is in the right, my opinion is quite the opposite.
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"Avinatan, my boyfriend, is still there, and we need to bring them back before it's going to be too late. We don't want to lose more people than we already lost," Argamani said.
Also, a reminder that holding civilians hostage is a war crime.
raping civilian hostages is also a crime but israeli society doesnt seem to think so
Many in Israel think they should be punished by the military, similar to how the US punished members of the military for the abuses at Abu Ghraib.
Meanwhile Hamas made Yahya Sinwar, the man responsible for the atrocities on October 7, to be their leader.
As much as y'all try to both sides this thing, it's very clear Hamas are really bad people.
Surely nobody is surprised
Neat, and then what happened? Nothing.
Clearly the wall that the brave Israeli Air force pilot collapsed was hamas.
Can anyone provide a news link to a reputable source to confirm? Not to say I don’t believe it, just “trust but verify” and I’m unsuccessful in verification
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-815947
Despite media reporting that she was beaten by Hamas, Argamani went to social media on Friday to say that her words had been taken out of context. She said she was not beaten and her hair was not cut.
"I said, I had cuts all over my head and I was hurt all over my body." Argamani emphasized that her wounds came from the collapse of a building after it was bombed by the IAF.
"As a victim of October 7, I will not allow myself to be victimized once again by the media," she said.
i hate the term trust but verify. It's such a weird statement. It should really only be used in situations where looking for verification would be weird, or potentially suspect.
This is a warcrimes allegation being made here, this is an "inquire and verify" situation more than anything.
Your account being as new as it is you’ll find that the person who posted only uses specific sources with clear bias.
Not that they’re always wrong but they definitely are pushing a very clear and specific agend.
They also will engage you in bad faith, and being their own “crew” to their posts to drive engagement in the way they want and loudly shout down dissent.
Why does Hamas refuse to allow the red cross access to inspect hostages?
Israel has impersonated aid/medical workers to assault hospitals multiple times in this conflict. So yea I wouldn't trust them either.
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Isnt it a bit odd that you have two sources saying completely opposite things.
After all she either said it or she hasnt.
Its good we actually have a video recording of her in her voice saying she was beaten.
I don't get it. Did she or did she not get her hair cut and was beaten? This post appears to be stating the complete opposite.
Edit: never mind. This is the original video that was taken out of context. The cuts and bruises were from the collapsed wall.
Thank God she was only held against her will and not beaten or mistreated otherwise.
14,000 dead Palestinian children wish they could say the same.
Judging by the estimated - in a study published in Lancet - almost 200,000 Palestinians killed in Gaza in this ongowing attack and until a few montsh ago, and the proportion of under 18 in that population (around 40%), that number is a serious under estimation and the reality is more likely 4 or 5 times more children murdered by Israel than those 14,000.
I'd imagine the Palestinians being r*d in detention centers would love to be treated so kindly.
Palestinians have no freedom of movement. Every single person in Gaza is being held against their will.
Something her parents would probably say; thank you for adding some perspective and not being a smug asshole about the situation.
Liberals will, completely unironically, deny genocide and then go to a thread talking about how logically inconsistent conservatives are.
Y’all really don’t have any beliefs or independent thoughts, huh?
You may (or may not) have missed all the massive protests against Netanyahu and the IDF. Whatever. You’re just here to stir the shit anyway.
Clearly its Stockholm Syndrome...in that to the victims, the capters seemed to care more about keeping them alive than the supposed liberators. I don't know if I've ever seen a better example of Stockholm Syndrome since the actual bank robbery that spawned the term
Stockholm Syndrome isn't a real diagnosis. It's never been included in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). The guy who coined the term in that original bank robbery never even met with the victim he labeled with it and she had good reason to be more sympathetic to her captor than the authorities that risked and dismissed the value of her life. Not unlike how Israel's government has been responding to this hostage situation.
Year old account, very few controversial opinions posted, a few negative point comments, but we all have them. I don't think they were trying to troll. Perhaps they were trying to make sense of the situation and just improperly applied the term as an experiment to see if it fit. I didn't block this one, like I do most people who are trolling.
Wow. Hilarious.